CJ's Suggestions

[CJ Wiley]

These days I play primarily because I enjoy the game

You might have mentioned that earlier in your original post lol. The way you first mentioned it is slightly different than what you just now posted for clarification.

So to answer the question someone asked earlier it wasn't a regular game of one pocket they were playing. No one in the world is going to average games that quickly (6 min average) for a 2 hour period vs an accomplished player with the key aspect of that phrase being vs an "accomplished player". One pocket is not a fast game at all. Some shots are very obvious on the correct play, but others require extensive studying of the layout of the table which takes a bit of time which is why you will see most games go slowly.

Yes, we were practicing. I don't always gamble, as a matter of fact I don't gamble very often these days. It's too bad, it's my favorite thing to do, just have to accept it's not popular anymore. These days I play primarily because I enjoy the game and want to continue to grow, change and improve all aspects of what's possible. 'the GAME is the teacher'

 

[CJ Wiley]

Allen Hopkins used to bet he could break and run all 15 balls in one pocket

Oh leave CJ alone, he's doing great! Our games here often take 10 min+, sometimes almost half an hour. Yes, the rules are all different, and it's last pocket. But still, it's obvious he's at least somewhat better than me, and I'm not afraid to admit that.

Yes indeed, there's many ways to practice one-pocket and without money on the line it's most fun to play aggressively.

My main objective is to run 15 and out as many times as possible, although 14 and out will suffice as well. Allen Hopkins used to bet he could break and run all 15 balls in one pocket with 4 tries.....on some tables he'd take 3!

Of course Allen Hopkins was a true master.

 

[Tony_in_MD]

Once a hustler, always a hustler.

You can quote me.

 

[CJ Wiley]

The 'Touch of Inside' system DVD does not recommend inside english

Stan teaches an AIMING SYSTEM
CJ teaches you to shoot every shot with enough Inside English to kill the spin created after collision with the object ball, so that the cue ball has no spin coming off the rail.

Two totally different things

I rarely use inside english and would suggest it's not prudent for any other players as well.

The 'Touch of Inside' system DVD does not recommend inside english, that would be like a pro golfer recommending slicing and hooking the golf ball.

The TOI system is vastly different than how players try to describe it that don't understand. This is fine, it's not meant for everyone to understand, just those that have "eyes that can see"......and "ears that can hear" (see and hear deeper level knowledge). I'm simply telling people where to look, not what to see.

 

[DTL]

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[CJ Wiley]

No one can tell another how to think, act, or play pool - it's not possible

They both say stuff that sounds out there at times. I have been able to make sense out of a lot more of CJ's teaching though and a lot more of what he teaches I see in my own game. Stans stuff not so much.

More importantly to me is if I question CJ he has always responded to me repectfully while Stan tried to play games and get me banned when I questioned his statements.

I appreciate that, you see my teachings for what they are. No one can tell another how to think, act, or play pool, this is based on their "free will," not on anything else.

We all have different ideas, behaviors, beliefs and attitudes. I share mine and enjoy it when others share about themselves. Unfortunately, it seems many just have ideas, beliefs and attitudes about "CJ", this would be considered a bit strange by anyone.

Everything I say is true from my perception, it's not been presented as absolute TRUTH......only a Power higher than human power knows this level of TRUTH.

'the GAME is the teacher'

 

[SilverCue]

OK, You win.

Couple last comments, if I may.:smile: The things I'm talking about with CJ are things like: the "hitting with the elbow" story; running 2 consecutive racks against the one pocket ghost story.

Have you seen this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55wfzEVJVvo

Lets say CTE never existed. In Stan, you'd still have a Top 3 in the world instructor in every other facet of the game.........proven, time-tested techniques and fundamentals. A man with integrity who will, without a doubt, fiercely defend what he believes to be true.

Peace.


DTL

But CTE does exist because I purchased his 1st DVD back in May 2013 and it took me about two weeks to figure out that it wan't an exact aiming system as Stan said it was and I didn't have time to figure out what was going on.
We have one local player one pocket who claimed it worked but he doesn't use it and couldn't demonstrate it to me.
I had given up on it until I saw your videos but the volume was so low, I couldn't follow what was going on.
I believe that Stan finally realized based on Dr Dave's drawings that it's not an exact system based on this posts from December 2014:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pl42c7ZYt4Y

And just before Stan posted, Stevie Moore posted this CTE: Parallel Shots Study
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1mlnRiAXA8

Then in January 2015 Stan posted this which is the 1st one that made any sense to me:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4iuvQT7dwfs

I think it would help if Stan publicly admitted that he finally figured out that CTE is not what he has been claiming.

I don't have a table and I don't live close to Stan but I have a stack of paper printed out about CTE that I take with me to see if I can make it work for me.

Hell, I might even order CJ's DVDs but not this year

Most of what CJ posts seams like BS to me.
Because he has his products advertised in his signature block (like others), every time he posts, he's pawning his wears.

Never wrestle with a pig because you both get muddy and the pig likes it

 

[CJ Wiley]

a fact of life for thousands and thousands of years, since the dawn of this world age

So it is the disingenuous statements and claims that get to you, but you are ok with the guy who teaches a system from another dimension that only works on a 2x1 surface, right Bamboozle?
https://youtu.be/5wQysSywOxU


Something tells me that YOU are being a little disingenuous, what is your real issue with CJ?

He sees "CJ" as a part of himself that he hasn't been able to accept. I've seen this acted out over and over in the competitive world, in pro pool, sports, and business.

Wrong judgments produce resentments, wrong beliefs produce fears and wrong actions produce shame, guilt and remorse within the individual.....this has been a fact of life for thousands and thousands of years, since the dawn of this world age.

Once we "real eyes" these universal Truths, they can no longer control and dominate us. 'the GAME is the teacher'

 

[Patrick Johnson]

Stan teaches an AIMING SYSTEM
CJ teaches you to shoot every shot with enough Inside English to kill the spin created after collision with the object ball, so that the cue ball has no spin coming off the rail.

Two totally different things

Actually, I think CJ first presented TOI as a way to "aim with squirt" using parts of the pocket. It became a "playing system" later in its evolution (maybe to escape being pigeonholed as another aiming system).

pj
chgo

 

[Timothy Rose]

Actually, I think CJ first presented TOI as a way to "aim with squirt" using parts of the pocket. It became a "playing system" later in its evolution (maybe to escape being pigeonholed as another aiming system).

pj
chgo

thinks this whole thing was created right here on AZB forums ....

 

[Drop The Rock]

I rarely use inside english and would suggest it's not prudent for any other players as well. ...

Somebody run and tell the rest of the pros!!!!

 

[Tramp Steamer]

I rarely use inside english and would suggest it's not prudent for any other players as well.
The 'Touch of Inside' system DVD does not recommend inside english, that would be like a pro golfer recommending slicing and hooking the golf ball.

I'm confused here, CJ. When I shoot a cut shot with a (let's say) severe angle to the pocket, I almost always give it a SOI (skosh of inside) just to insure that my cut is made thin enough. I've been doing this for a very long time.
And, as you know, golfers use a cut shot (small slice) and a draw (small hook). :smile:

 

[HawaiianEye]

thinks this whole thing was created right here on AZB forums ....

I started played this way in the early 70s, so I guess I'm an anomaly. This style of playing was around long before CJ and WAY longer than AZB. It just wasn't explained as such.

I listen to what people say and if it sounds like it has merit I try it out. If it doesn't work, I don't come here badmouthing, I try to find something else that does work.

I don't promote something that hasn't worked for ME, but not everything works for everybody.

 

[DTL]

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[Ron Swanson]

You must be real hard to train. Probably not a very good team player and I would guess you are stubborn as a mule. People like you make me laugh. But I don't hate you...

Lol. Guilty as charged.

 

[DTL]

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[cookie man]

But CTE does exist because I purchased his 1st DVD back in May 2013 and it took me about two weeks to figure out that it wan't an exact aiming system as Stan said it was and I didn't have time to figure out what was going on.
We have one local player one pocket who claimed it worked but he doesn't use it and couldn't demonstrate it to me.
I had given up on it until I saw your videos but the volume was so low, I couldn't follow what was going on.
I believe that Stan finally realized based on Dr Dave's drawings that it's not an exact system based on this posts from December 2014:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pl42c7ZYt4Y

And just before Stan posted, Stevie Moore posted this CTE: Parallel Shots Study
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1mlnRiAXA8

Then in January 2015 Stan posted this which is the 1st one that made any sense to me:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4iuvQT7dwfs

I think it would help if Stan publicly admitted that he finally figured out that CTE is not what he has been claiming.

I don't have a table and I don't live close to Stan but I have a stack of paper printed out about CTE that I take with me to see if I can make it work for me.

Hell, I might even order CJ's DVDs but not this year

Most of what CJ posts seams like BS to me.
Because he has his products advertised in his signature block (like others), every time he posts, he's pawning his wears.

Never wrestle with a pig because you both get muddy and the pig likes it

So your stance is CTE doesn't work as Stan said. Any proof of that?
Seems lots of people are using it with success, as Stan prescribes it.

 

[DTL]

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[BeiberLvr]

So are you saying you should align every shot like normal when using TOI? Because I thought the two main alignments were CTE and CTC.

If you align to a shot with say CTC with the intention of using the deflection provided by TOI, then that same shot will NOT go in the pocket when you accidentally hit the center of the cue ball instead.

Unless of course you change your initial alignment.

Common sense is the teacher.

Bumped.....

 

[SilverCue]

Yes, I've seen the 2 racks of one pocket ghost. There was a thread that talked about it in great detail, not sure which one. But in it, CJ claims he did them back-to-back within minutes of each other without any editing of the video...........simply went to the kitchen for a drink, came back and (paraphrasing) "CJ, we got a problem. You made a ball on the break and forgot to spot it". CJ's response was "well, lets just do it again". The problem was that the video was clearly edited.

On the first rack he made the 14 on the break (1st ball in). Throughout the first rack he moved balls out of the designated 1-hole pocket to make room for more (same hole as the 14 was made in on the break, which was on the BOTTOM). When he started to gather the balls for the second rack, ALL the balls were in that pocket including the last few made in the designated 1-hole............and the 14 was now on top. The CB was in a different spot too. Notice when starting to rack the second game he walks around looking for balls in all the other holes........tells me he was playing another type game between the 2 ghost racks.

WOW, thanks for pointing this out.
Glad I ask the question.
You are absolutely correct!!!!!!!!!!!

This makes CJ look like a circus clown or poor video magician.
I guess this puts new meaning to the old joke about how can you tell when a sales person is lying