Mike D.'s Carom on the 9

[ssbn610g]

It's a TV program and the intended audience would probably never notice. I have enjoyed the series so far. Let's face facts, Mike D. on the list is a fox in the hen house. I am not denigrating the other real players on the list but Mike is world class.

Al

 

[Cardigan Kid]

I believe it's been explained in interviews that some misses and safety's are edited out. Hence you see balls seemingly changing position between shots.

Yes, it has been explained in past threads by cast members and others who have watched production. The match may take an hour but it's edited down to five minutes so many of the missed shots/safety battles are left on the cutting room floor.

This is extremely apparent by the changing balls on the table at times. What we are seeing is a highlight reel. The matches and outcomes are all 100% real.

 

[Cardigan Kid]

I think it's important to keep in mind that it's a TV show.

It's purpose is to be entertaining to the masses of people out there who may tune in to watch it.

I'd much rather it appeal to 25% of the non pool playing public and none of the pool players, than have it appeal to 75% of the pool players and none of the non pool playing public.

I would not only expect, but hope that they would stage shots and edit footage and whatever else they need to do to make it entertaining to the public. I watch the show trying to see it from the perspective of the average non pool playing Joe, and I think it's entertaining. I like it that way. Hopefully, there's a million or two that see it the same way.


Royce Bunnell
www.obcues.com

By stating it like this, it seems you are giving credibility to the nay sayers who blindly say the show is fake and staged. It is not by any means. Never does the producer say Emily will play Amy and Emily will win. It's all real and what we see are highlight reels of the matches.

Mike dechaine actually made the nine on the carom shot, then after they switched to slow motion, probably did it again for extra footage/different angles, etc.

The match was 100%

 

[Cardigan Kid]

let's look at another rack
first the leave on the 2 ball
next the shot on the 2 ball

Mike shot a safety on the 2 obviously, Ross stepped up and made contact, and Mike had a shot on the 2. It's all in the editing. Can't have an entire one hour match on a show that only can have 45 minutes of content without commercials.

 

[iusedtoberich]

To answer the OP's question, you have to carom the ball at an angle. This way it's impossible to follow it in for a scratch. To get the angle, you can either go rail first, as mentioned earlier, or go ball first but make sure you don't hit the ball full in the face. Either method takes extreme accuracy in controlling the carom angle.

 

[Str8PoolPlayer]

How much would you like to wager?

Assuming you are talking about wagering on "shooting" skill,
(your inserted picture of Doc Holliday indicates that is the case).
I will accept your challenge (with pistols, rifles, shotguns)
for ANY amount over $50k CASH. The same offer goes out
to any Pro Pool Player. I'll pick the venue and weapons.

Are we ON ?

IF you are referring to the fabricated TV "Reality" Show, then
I'll just assume you are sticking up for your Bro's in NYC.
I actually have warmed up a bit to the "Show" and hope they
keep a muzzle on Finnegan and concentrate on "normal"
activity in the Pool Hall, without the BS screaming, etc.

 

[cleary]

Assuming you are talking about wagering on "shooting" skill,
(your inserted picture of Doc Holliday indicates that is the case).
I will accept your challenge (with pistols, rifles, shotguns)
for ANY amount over $50k CASH. The same offer goes out
to any Pro Pool Player. I'll pick the venue and weapons.

Are we ON ?

IF you are referring to the fabricated TV "Reality" Show, then
I'll just assume you are sticking up for your Bro's in NYC.
I actually have warmed up a bit to the "Show" and hope they
keep a muzzle on Finnegan and concentrate on "normal"
activity in the Pool Hall, without the BS screaming, etc.

I'm going to try pretty hard to make it through this post without getting banned but trust me when I say it's not going to be easy. You're an idiot. No real way of putting it any nicer. Don't take it as an insult. I'm not trying to insult you or call you names, I'm only being honest with you.

You said you would wager that shots were fake. I said bet. How you translate that to assuming a shoot-off is beyond me but I'm assuming you're not 'playing with a full deck'... But hell, why stop there? Let's have a duel! High noon in front of the Ol' Sawdust Saloon. See ya there. Why bet $50k when we can bet our lives!!!! LMAO what a clown!

I'm not sticking up for anything. I was there and watched many matches happen live. In front of my face. The show was poorly put together in the end but I'll gladly bet that no shots were fake. They really played and the winner really won.

 

[RBC]

Mike shot a safety on the 2 obviously, Ross stepped up and made contact, and Mike had a shot on the 2. It's all in the editing. Can't have an entire one hour match on a show that only can have 45 minutes of content without commercials.

Cardigan

Actually, I'm not saying that anything is fake or any shots were staged. If I really wanted t know how it actually happened I would just ask Mike.

What I am saying is that all this talk about the show is about things that don't really matter. The show is for entertainment. It's meant for people to spend an hour of their evening enjoying watching it. If it accomplishes that task, it will be successful. If it doesn't, it won't.

Back when Martin Scorsese made The Color of Money, I don't think he was thinking about pool, or pool players. He was thinking about getting as many people he could to buy a ticket and watch the movie. He wanted to entertain as many people as he could. The fact that helped to promote the game of pool was fortunate for all of us, but it wasn't intentional.

I happen to like the show. I think they've done pretty well to create and develop each of the shows characters. It's the characters that make a show like this successful. I just hope lots of people outside the pool world like it enough to watch.


Royce

 

[cleary]

I'm really looking forward to this duel. 20 paces, turn around and quick draw. POW!!

 

[Str8PoolPlayer]

I'm really looking forward to this duel. 20 paces, turn around and quick draw. POW!!

I knew I could bait you into proving that 'tards post here all the time.

Sooner or later, in every thread you post a reply, you prove yourself
to be nothing more than self-centered, egotistical, & insecure.
You are always in Attack Mode. Get over yourself, grasshopper.
If you actually play pool, then spend your time there instead of
here, with the grownups.

 

[cleary]

I knew I could bait you into proving that 'tards post here all the time.

Sooner or later, in every thread you post a reply, you prove yourself
to be nothing more than self-centered, egotistical, & insecure.
You are always in Attack Mode. Get over yourself, grasshopper.
If you actually play pool, then spend your time there instead of
here, with the grownups.

Why would you assume what I said had anything to do with shooting guns? You said you'd bet, I said ok. Now you want to shoot guns because the person in the photo is holding guns. Why wouldn't you assume I wanted to wear hats? The guy is also wearing a hat….

Or, maybe you should use common damn sense and not offer to bet on something that you don't f*cking have a clue about, which is probably most things.

 

[Str8PoolPlayer]

Why would you assume what I said had anything to do with shooting guns? You said you'd bet, I said ok. Now you want to shoot guns because the person in the photo is holding guns. Why wouldn't you assume I wanted to wear hats? The guy is also wearing a hat….

Or, maybe you should use common damn sense and not offer to bet on something that you don't f*cking have a clue about, which is probably most things.

Right on que ... Attack Mode, full speed ahead. It's what YOU do.

 

[SWRLE]

"Edited"

How much would you like to wager sir. I will bet everything I have. None of the shots were staged...all of the matches were played legitimate with no predetermined outcome.
There were shots that were made in the match were then recreated at another time for different camera perspective.

Nobody said the pool was fake (like it was in The Hustler) or match outcomes are predetermined. People are noticing unexplained editing. Why couldn't Mike say "After Ross and I traded misses I had this carom shot on the 9." Material omissions can be as serious as falsehoods. So we're left wondering how material these omissions are. Yes I know the people watching the Lizard Lick Bachelorette don't care.

I still would like to hear some explanation for the extraterrestrial cue ball action on the final shot. Could just be my tv.

 

[2strong4u]

The thing is, the editors and producers of the show are not pool players and seem to have a very poor attention to detail. Continuity errors happen all the time in movies/tv shows and to the untrained eye, they go unnoticed. This just happens to be a forum full of trained eyes that are nitpicking the show apart. Trust me, I do too but I also see it from all angles because while I'm a pool player, I also work in television and know what it takes to make a show watchable.

They take all of this footage back and try to create a story out of it… and they're really just doing the best they can. This isn't TAR. While these people ARE playing for real, the final edit is not going to come off like you're watching live. Just the reality of tv.

To screw up editing something in a paint by numbers game like nine ball is inexcusable. Are the editors graduates from film school yet...or interns?

Obviously they reshoot balls to obtain a desired outcome, be it drama or to affect certain "winnner". This could all be done with more finnese. If you write a letter it deserves proofreading. Nobody watches the final cut? It's laughable really.

The previously recorded episodes won't change. So perhaps if this reality show doesn't go the way of the Turtle Man, they'll strive for better in future productions.

 

[cleary]

Right on que ... Attack Mode, full speed ahead. It's what YOU do.

You make it to easy.

 

[cleary]

To screw up editing something in a paint by numbers game like nine ball is inexcusable. Are the editors graduates from film school yet...or interns?

Obviously they reshoot balls to obtain a desired outcome, be it drama or to affect certain "winnner". This could all be done with more finnese. If you write a letter it deserves proofreading. Nobody watches the final cut? It's laughable really.

The previously recorded episodes won't change. So perhaps should this reality show doesn't go the way of the Turtle Man, they'll strive for better in future productions.

When you're dealing with HOURS and HOURS and HOURS worth of footage, trying to cut out the fat and unneeded stuff, it's not simple. It seems they wanted to cut out the safety play so balls might seem like they're setup wrong.

As I've said, they didn't reshoot anything to change an outcome. They did reshoot certain shots (after the match was over) to get different angles of certain shots, but didn't change the outcome. Some shots were too hard to reproduce.

 

[Wileydog]

Ok first of I might get this wrong cause i'm not sure i know how to do multiple pics, so here goes.
Let's start with the topic at hand. The mere fact that you even ended up with that shot is more amazing that making the shot IMO
First is the table going from the 1 to the 2.
then the shot from 3 to the 4
and last...

The shots between the 2nd and 3rd picture appear to be edited out.
It appears that, after he shot the 3 into the side, he tried an unsuccessful 4-9 comb bank into the corner. It appears at least one more shot took place on the 4 until your 3rd picture for Mike's carom.

 

[Wileydog]

Hey all,

On last night's The Hustlers, Mike finished off Ross with an extreme 90 degree carom off the 4 into the 9. The nine was close but not hanging. He came close to following the 9 in with the cue ball. When I shoot that I scratch. What's the best way to avoid the follow-scratch??

With the 9 ball in the pocket, and the shot he had on the 4, that's the shot I would have taken.

 

[Cardigan Kid]

Cardigan

Actually, I'm not saying that anything is fake or any shots were staged. If I really wanted t know how it actually happened I would just ask Mike.

What I am saying is that all this talk about the show is about things that don't really matter. The show is for entertainment. It's meant for people to spend an hour of their evening enjoying watching it. If it accomplishes that task, it will be successful. If it doesn't, it won't.

Back when Martin Scorsese made The Color of Money, I don't think he was thinking about pool, or pool players. He was thinking about getting as many people he could to buy a ticket and watch the movie. He wanted to entertain as many people as he could. The fact that helped to promote the game of pool was fortunate for all of us, but it wasn't intentional.

I happen to like the show. I think they've done pretty well to create and develop each of the shows characters. It's the characters that make a show like this successful. I just hope lots of people outside the pool world like it enough to watch.


Royce

Royce, thank you for the response. I respect your involvement in the game and you hold a high position in the pool world in terms of your point of view.

This show will be successful for the reason that it's entertainment and the players are real. Color of money entertained with set up shots and mythical matches. But when viewers see Emily take down a victory, they might go to the pool hall and hear that it's fake and dismiss the concept of the show all together.

The more voices that hold merit that come out and say "Mike dechaine told me it's all real and this is how they do it" then the myth that the show is fake or faux reality will slowly evaporate.

I really believe this site has major sway on league nights and tournament chatter around the country. So if more heavyweights in the industry, like yourself, chime in everytime someone posts screen shots of Mike shooting at the three and when he is on the two, the two ball is in a different place-the show will get that much more credibility.

Thanks again for all that you do. I'm pulling for a season 2! Let's go!

 

[DallasHopps]

I have no issue with the editing of footage for time, but I demand to be included in the hat wearing challenge. I am a superb wearer of professional and personal head gear.