No chance for Frost. Harsh reality

Ended with Alex 1 up

The last couple hours both players appeared tired and for them, sloppy. They should have stopped even. Several huge momenteum swings with Scott ripping off the first 5. I think Alex had many poor shot selections, one costing a game when he was ahead 7-2, loosing to Scott. I understand wanting to play into your A game and if you do not have it, the only way to get it is play into it which is dangerous as there are not that many free shots. That was not the time to take a chance. Also, alex missed several BIH situations last night? I still think the only way to get Alex is with a python strategy forcing marginal low percentile shots with high risk on the downside and then bringing the aggression. I watched till the end and we are in FL! Great match.

Anyone wanting to amend their previous posts?
 
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Perhaps rumors of Scotts demise are premature.

To the average AZ reader who has trouble understanding how the experts
can proudly proclaim that Scott has no chance what so ever and everyone seems to agree

and the the next thing we hear is that Alex must be dumping.An average guy might wonder
how some body could make a bald faced attack on another man's integrity,you must
understand something of the dynamics of the pool room.

Rule one: the steam that makes the whistle blow can never make the engine go

Simply put those who can ,do,those who can not,talk

As in life,more so in pool,the more forceful and knowledgeable the
person portrays himself to be.If he uses profanity or is excessively rude
pay no attention,he is too stupid to know the basics of conversation or
civility.

If you offer to bet and they explain whats wrong with your thinking or suggest
they know more,you can assume they have no job or money.Their typical reaction
to a man who offers to bet is to talk.Pool detective is the best description for
these guys.

Enjoy the match,decide for yourself what is going on,don't assume the players have nefarious plans or agenda just because they dog shots from time to time.Expect these boys to have mood swings and doubts and indecision which leads to momentary loss of judgement or control.After all even yours truly has been known to dog the money ball.
And I always play my own money,no one has ever bet on me

As a rule these great players are honorable,There are laws against defamation of character
but the pool detective doesn't let that get in his way.He wouldn't speak it in front of the man,he might whisper
or feel confident behind the computer screen,but He is whats wrong with pool today,not these guys who put their
fragile egos and money on the line.
 
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For me Scott is hard to watch. Obviously he can play 1P as well as anyone and would still play 9B well if he played a little but aren't his fundamentals pretty awful?
 
actionplayer said:
Gotta love this Cleary guy

Never backs anything he says just criticize or be sarcastic tool

As if he knows that it's destined to be even

Funny thing is he uses his own name then you see him on facebook asking for odds on frost since he has no chance

Lol that was six hours ago

Don't like the thread stay off it or say something argumentative with some thought process
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You started a thread saying Frost has no chance. Not a slim chance… "no chance". Yea, when someone is stuck 4 games in a 8 ahead set, you're gonna need pretty good odds to bet on them from there.

I bet on Scott EVEN before they started and I was offered good odds yesterday and took them.

And yes, I use my real name but if you don't think I back up what I say just give me your real name and I'll be glad to back up what I say. Oh yea, it's easier to act like a big shot under an alias. gfys. :)
 
j_zippel said:
Its even more funny you turned down 3.5 to 1 with a push
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I was offered better on on Facebook and took them. Sorry I didn't take your offer that wasn't as good.

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Nostroke said:
For me Scott is hard to watch. Obviously he can play 1P as well as anyone and would still play 9B well if he played a little but aren't his fundamentals pretty awful?
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So are Efren's, he picks his head up when he shoots and has a see saw stroke but my lord he does it perfect! Like most of the Flipnos, he has a long bridge with great accuracy striking the cue ball. From a "book standpoint" he is wrong, but from results no one can deny he is one of the greatest of all time.
 
Nostroke said:
For me Scott is hard to watch. Obviously he can play 1P as well as anyone and would still play 9B well if he played a little but aren't his fundamentals pretty awful?
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Hmm, I think he is still tweaking it. He said on commentary during the Chinook 8 Ball tourney that he was trying to emulate Shane's stroke, especially his final backstroke and follow stroke.
 
Alex looked like he changed cues about 42 times yesterday. He's having an equipment issue. I need that issue to continue on right until Scott gets 8 ahead and then I hope he gets it fixed.
 
Kris_b1104 said:
Hmm, I think he is still tweaking it. He said on commentary during the Chinook 8 Ball tourney that he was trying to emulate Shane's stroke, especially his final backstroke and follow stroke.
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Scotts stroke, unless it's changed is not level like Shane's . He comes through the CB at more of an Arc? Slightly jacked up. I assume he adapted to that stroke because of 1 pocket.
 
Fuji-whopper said:
Who down there plays 1-pocket that well? Does 1-pocket Rich still play at all? I heard something funny went on with this stroke and he actually switched hands for a bit, such a crazy story I wondered how much of it was true.

Neil
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I am not gonna comment on players in my room other than to say that road players and pros come through the room looking for action. Alex and Scott have both played there in action as well as a laundry list of other notables.

I nodded out when Scott was a few game down. Now I understand that they are even. Scott started to squeeze and quit missing easy shots and got back in the match with a five game run.

I think one of Scott's problems is he is always looking for a power solution other than just a simple one. On balance we saw better one pocket than we saw on day one.

You have to hand it to Scott for getting back in the match. This thing could go on and on. Its an epic battle.

Alex did miss some ball in hands showing that he is human. They are both champions and I wish both of them God speed.
 
Scott had a high level of intensity all day. He is definitely taking this match seriously and knows he has his hands full with Alex. On the other hand the usually jovial Alex looked frustrated on several occasions. Every time he had a chance to pull ahead four games he would mess up somehow. Often it was a mental error that cost him, trying an extremely tough shot when he already had a big lead in the game, when a more conservative shot would maintain his lead and keep Scott on the defensive.

This table is so tough that it limits the options both players have in shot selection. I can't say that either player looks totally comfortable yet. IMO a table set up this tough can take something away from a match. It's kind of like the reaction golfers are having to the Chambers Bay course for this week's U.S. Open.

Scott and Alex both must totally focus just on making the ball, because there is zero room for error here. The pockets spit balls out like a rejection machine. It's a combination of extremely narrow openings (snooker like) and angled pocket facings.

One thing both players have failed to realize is that when you have a sizable lead in a game (like 6-1 or 7-3) there is no need to try anything fancy. Moving balls up table would almost assure a win, because long rail banks and long two railers are no bargain here. Mounting a comeback with all the balls down table is a herculean task. Several games have been squandered by careless shots when a player has a large ball lead in the game. Whoever ever controls their emotions the best today and plays the smartest should be the leader at the end of the day.
 
Scotts stroke looks pretty wild at times. Its seems like he used to barely ever move his wrist, it was all in his arm. Kind of like he had his wrist locked in the same spot the whole shot, using short compact mechanical like swings. I wonder if that is because Scott is taller than your average player and used to use a smaller 57" cue. Either player can take this down. If Scott plays the game he used to in 2010 - 2011 Alex will be outmanned, and if Alex plays like he did at Derby Scott wont win. If they both find that top gear this could go on for days on end.
 
Nostroke said:
For me Scott is hard to watch. Obviously he can play 1P as well as anyone and would still play 9B well if he played a little but aren't his fundamentals pretty awful?
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Not at all. His stroke is a little quirky sometimes but his basics are rock solid.
 
J SCHWARZ said:
Scotts stroke looks pretty wild at times. Its seems like he used to barely ever move his wrist, it was all in his arm. Kind of like he had his wrist locked in the same spot the whole shot, using short compact mechanical like swings. I wonder if that is because Scott is taller than your average player and used to use a smaller 57" cue. Either player can take this down. If Scott plays the game he used to in 2010 - 2011 Alex will be outmanned, and if Alex plays like he did at Derby Scott wont win. If they both find that top gear this could go on for days on end.
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Scott to me is emulating the stroke of the great Pinoy champions Efren, Parica or Busty. Now the Pinoys like Dennis and Alex have toned downed the legendary stroke of old and are minimalists.

Personally I loved the old Pinoy strokes of Parica, Efren and the over the top Busty.
 
deanoc said:
Perhaps rumors of Scotts demise are premature.

To the average AZ reader who has trouble understanding how the experts
can proudly proclaim that Scott has no chance what so ever and everyone seems to agree

and the the next thing we hear is that Alex must be dumping.An average guy might wonder
how some body could make a bald faced attack on another man's integrity,you must
understand something of the dynamics of the pool room.

Rule one: the steam that makes the whistle blow can never make the engine go

Simply put those who can ,do,those who can not,talk

As in life,more so in pool,the more forceful and knowledgeable the
person portrays himself to be.If he uses profanity or is excessively rude
pay no attention,he is too stupid to know the basics of conversation or
civility.

If you offer to bet and they explain whats wrong with your thinking or suggest
they know more,you can assume they have no job or money.Their typical reaction
to a man who offers to bet is to talk.Pool detective is the best description for
these guys.

Enjoy the match,decide for yourself what is going on,don't assume the players have nefarious plans or agenda just because they dog shots from time to time.Expect these boys to have mood swings and doubts and indecision which leads to momentary loss of judgement or control.After all even yours truly has been known to dog the money ball.
And I always play my own money,no one has ever bet on me

As a rule these great players are honorable,There are laws against defamation of character
but the pool detective doesn't let that get in his way.He wouldn't speak it in front of the man,he might whisper
or feel confident behind the computer screen,but He is whats wrong with pool today,not these guys who put their
fragile egos and money on the line.
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I asked what you had in mind for a bet efren/Scott or Shane and guess what, less than crickets. Then you started spouting off about getting odds and setting time limits etc.
Talk on. I'm out of it
Jason
 
jasonlaus said:
I asked what you had in mind for a bet efren/Scott or Shane and guess what, less than crickets. Then you started spouting off about getting odds and setting time limits etc.
Talk on. I'm out of it
Jason
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