No chance for Frost. Harsh reality

[jojopiff]

Gotta love this Cleary guy

Never backs anything he says just criticize or be sarcastic tool

As if he knows that it's destined to be even Funny that this annoys you, given the title of your thread.

Funny thing is he uses his own name then you see him on facebook asking for odds on frost since he has no chance

Lol that was six hours ago

Don't like the thread stay off it or say something argumentative with some thought process

You make a bold, antagonistic thread and you're surprised there was push-back when the match got to back to even? And the people who are now making bold, antagonistic remarks back annoy you?

I also think Alex winds up winning, but to say that at 19-18 this has been anything but a basically even match would be, well, antagonistic.

 

[Bbutler]

Scott had a high level of intensity all day. He is definitely taking this match seriously and knows he has his hands full with Alex. On the other hand the usually jovial Alex looked frustrated on several occasions. Every time he had a chance to pull ahead four games he would mess up somehow. Often it was a mental error that cost him, trying an extremely tough shot when he already had a big lead in the game, when a more conservative shot would maintain his lead and keep Scott on the defensive.

This table is so tough that it limits the options both players have in shot selection. I can't say that either player looks totally comfortable yet. IMO a table set up this tough can take something away from a match. It's kind of like the reaction golfers are having to the Chambers Bay course for this week's U.S. Open.

Scott and Alex both must totally focus just on making the ball, because there is zero room for error here. The pockets spit balls out like a rejection machine. It's a combination of extremely narrow openings (snooker like) and angled pocket facings.

One thing both players have failed to realize is that when you have a sizable lead in a game (like 6-1 or 7-3) there is no need to try anything fancy. Moving balls up table would almost assure a win, because long rail banks and long two railers are no bargain here. Mounting a comeback with all the balls down table is a herculean task. Several games have been squandered by careless shots when a player has a large ball lead in the game. Whoever ever controls their emotions the best today and plays the smartest should be the leader at the end of the day.

Agree about the pockets and their effect on the players, can't agree about the late game aggression though. It's low-level thinking to believe that just because you have the lead you're 'assuring a win' by getting the balls up table and out of play. Both players are absolute masters at turning those situations around and putting tons of pressure on from behind to put themselves in position to steal games, and they're each well aware of that. Obviously that doesn't mean that they need to be reckless but they do need to be aggressive. When you're playing a top-level player -- and these are two guys who are at the absolute TOP level -- a lot of the time that half a chance shot at your out ball is the best one you're going to get. You've got to not only go for it, you've got to get it.

That or, as a buddy in Georgia used to say, you're gonna be scratching a broke ass.

 

[JoeyA]

GREAT POST!
JoeyA

Perhaps rumors of Scotts demise are premature.

To the average AZ reader who has trouble understanding how the experts
can proudly proclaim that Scott has no chance what so ever and everyone seems to agree

and the the next thing we hear is that Alex must be dumping.An average guy might wonder
how some body could make a bald faced attack on another man's integrity,you must
understand something of the dynamics of the pool room.

Rule one: the steam that makes the whistle blow can never make the engine go

Simply put those who can ,do,those who can not,talk

As in life,more so in pool,the more forceful and knowledgeable the
person portrays himself to be.If he uses profanity or is excessively rude
pay no attention,he is too stupid to know the basics of conversation or
civility.

If you offer to bet and they explain whats wrong with your thinking or suggest
they know more,you can assume they have no job or money.Their typical reaction
to a man who offers to bet is to talk.Pool detective is the best description for
these guys.

Enjoy the match,decide for yourself what is going on,don't assume the players have nefarious plans or agenda just because they dog shots from time to time.Expect these boys to have mood swings and doubts and indecision which leads to momentary loss of judgement or control.After all even yours truly has been known to dog the money ball.
And I always play my own money,no one has ever bet on me

As a rule these great players are honorable,There are laws against defamation of character
but the pool detective doesn't let that get in his way.He wouldn't speak it in front of the man,he might whisper
or feel confident behind the computer screen,but He is whats wrong with pool today,not these guys who put their
fragile egos and money on the line.

 

[j_zippel]

I was offered better on on Facebook and took them. Sorry I didn't take your offer that wasn't as good.

Obviously I'm glad you didn't take it after watching Scott snap off the first five last night.

Your backyard is beautiful btw

 

[actionplayer]

You make a bold, antagonistic thread and you're surprised there was push-back when the match got to back to even? And the people who are now making bold, antagonistic remarks back annoy you?

I also think Alex winds up winning, but to say that at 19-18 this has been anything but a basically even match would be, well, antagonistic.

I think Scott has no chance of winning . True. As many out there including most pro and seasoned players
You couldn't get a bet in Alex without giving 2:1 on Alex

Yes there even and Alex has been horrendous and Scott playing his heart out and there even
My list still stands true until Scott wins then I'll haooiky Ames post

Cleary annoyed me because he posts sarcastically if this has no validation then on facebook earlier he is begging for weight on the match because Alex is clear favorite

This thread has no personal bias at all I loke Scott and he knows where I thought this match was headed

As foo simply think if Alex shows up sort has no chance to Tim not battle and get even ir a game up to win

 

[jasonlaus]

I think Scott has no chance of winning . True. As many out there including most pro and seasoned players
You couldn't get a bet in Alex without giving 2:1 on Alex

Yes there even and Alex has been horrendous and Scott playing his heart out and there even
My list still stands true until Scott wins then I'll haooiky Ames post

Cleary annoyed me because he posts sarcastically if this has no validation then on facebook earlier he is begging for weight on the match because Alex is clear favorite

This thread has no personal bias at all I loke Scott and he knows where I thought this match was headed

As foo simply think if Alex shows up sort has no chance to Tim not battle and get even ir a game up to win

How big are your fingers? And how small is your phone? Lol

 

[JoeyA]

From Ronnie Wiseman's Facebook page.

"So rumor has it that Scott Frost didn't come up with the full 25k as advertised so there playing for 20k also Alex told me he didn't rest well after being up 4 games after the 1st night & didn't play well last night b/c of that. But he assured me he will play better "Tonight" so Tune in to Pool Action TV & watch this MASTER of the table Perform at a game called One Pocket in witch he is Mastering while he plays it!"
---------------------------------------------------------------

Whew.................
JoeyA

 

[Nostroke]

Scott to me is emulating the stroke of the great Pinoy champions Efren, Parica or Busty. Now the Pinoys like Dennis and Alex have toned downed the legendary stroke of old and are minimalists.

Personally I loved the old Pinoy strokes of Parica, Efren and the over the top Busty.

He just doesn't accomplish it smoothly imo.

 

[one stroke]

I think Scott has no chance of winning . True. As many out there including most pro and seasoned players
You couldn't get a bet in Alex without giving 2:1 on Alex

Yes there even and Alex has been horrendous and Scott playing his heart out and there even
My list still stands true until Scott wins then I'll haooiky Ames post

Cleary annoyed me because he posts sarcastically if this has no validation then on facebook earlier he is begging for weight on the match because Alex is clear favorite

This thread has no personal bias at all I loke Scott and he knows where I thought this match was headed

As foo simply think if Alex shows up sort has no chance to Tim not battle and get even ir a game up to win

Put the bottle down and slowly walk away before you fall down and hurt yourself,,
I've yet to see anyone giving 2-1 ,,

1

 

[Celtic]

Every time he had a chance to pull ahead four games he would mess up somehow. Often it was a mental error that cost him, trying an extremely tough shot when he already had a big lead in the game, when a more conservative shot would maintain his lead and keep Scott on the defensive.

Heh, yeah... PM sent.

 

[Fuji-whopper]

I am not gonna comment on players in my room other than to say that road players and pros come through the room looking for action. Alex and Scott have both played there in action as well as a laundry list of other notables.

I used to live in LA and gamble a little here and there, was wondering if some people were still around. Rich and Wayne B. would be the top ones that come to mind, then you have Jerry M. from the Valley area but I don't know if he plays much outside of Stix. The last time I got action in that room was probably 1996 with some guys from Santa Barbara, Al V. and his backer some Indian guy I forgot his name but would remember if I hear it. Glad to hear players are still coming through!!

Neil

 

[cleary]

Cleary annoyed me because he posts sarcastically if this has no validation then on facebook earlier he is begging for weight on the match because Alex is clear favorite

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Sounds about right...

 

[actionplayer]

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Sounds about right...

There is more on the post
Agreed begging bit much

 

[actionplayer]

Put the bottle down and slowly walk away before you fall down and hurt yourself,,
I've yet to see anyone giving 2-1 ,,

1

You obviously weren't in any pool room on the west coast

Look back at the build up to this match
It was widely stated that to get a decent bet you had to give 1.5:1 or 2:1 on the money

In this thread Cleary was offered 3:1 on the money by someone

 

[cleary]

You obviously weren't in any pool room on the west coast

Look back at the build up to this match
It was widely stated that to get a decent bet you had to give 1.5:1 or 2:1 on the money

In this thread Cleary was offered 3:1 on the money by someone

I was offered 3.5:1 on azbilliards and 4:1 on Facebook. Which one would you take?

 

[JoeyA]

Hmm, I think he is still tweaking it. He said on commentary during the Chinook 8 Ball tourney that he was trying to emulate Shane's stroke, especially his final backstroke and follow stroke.

Scotts stroke, unless it's changed is not level like Shane's . He comes through the CB at more of an Arc? Slightly jacked up. I assume he adapted to that stroke because of 1 pocket.

I was paying particular attention to Scott's stroke this evening and he definitely doesn't have a stroke that simulates SVB stroke. Scott's stroke seems to be very elevated. I think that is why he missed that cue ball in hand behind the line shot on (I think) the 15 ball. Alex had virtually handed Scott the game and Scott gave it back to Alex.

Also, Scott has commented in the past that he grips his cue very tightly. I don't know if that has anything to do with his accuracy.

Lots more pool to be played for sure.

JoeyA

 

[Fast Lenny]

You obviously weren't in any pool room on the west coast

Look back at the build up to this match
It was widely stated that to get a decent bet you had to give 1.5:1 or 2:1 on the money

In this thread Cleary was offered 3:1 on the money by someone

I know people were betting even and the most I saw in a poolroom was 7:5, the action room was at 3:2 with the action flowing steady with thousands bet on it. I think 3:2 was right before the match began but now that the match has begun and we see how the play is I wanted 2:1 at the start of the day and no one would bet just like those looking to bet 3:2 today with Alex being up a game got no takers.

 

[actionplayer]

I was offered 3.5:1 on azbilliards and 4:1 on Facebook. Which one would you take?

Depends how much
Do you get the push too?
I wouldn't touch it as stated I don't think frost can win unless Alex head falls off

Especially now since Alex looks like he back to business on this third day

Did you take it ?
You were smart enough not to bet another 200 with buffalo

 

[Fast Lenny]

My feelings on this match is that Scott gets a little gun shy with Alex, if he was playing a short stop player or below he would run a million balls. We see both players are tentative and not running big numbers and I know the table plays a factor but I have seen Scott run 18 and out on tables just as tight. Day 1 he made too many errors and missed easy shots, Alex did the same thing Scott did when they played day 2. Lets see how this day ends up.

I feel if Scott played his game like I have seen him play Alex would not like it but this is his game when playing Alex. If he looks back and watches this match he will shake his head at some of the missed balls tired or not. I don't know whether he watched the first match he played with Alex for big money at Hard Times or not but the video doesn't lie.

I know Scott pretty well and I know he wants to win this badly, he has been playing more then ever but one thing that really would step his game up a notch is dedicated daily practice which he really never does. Practice is good for focusing on your fundamentals and working on any weaknesses, at his level you can't have them especially playing someone like Alex.

Scott is the underdog but Alex might be the only guy on the planet he is an underdog to. I would like to see Shane play the winner of this. The Accu-Stats 1 pocket MIH is coming up soon and that will be exciting to watch also.

 

[actionplayer]

My feelings on this match is that Scott gets a little gun shy with Alex, if he was playing a short stop player or below he would run a million balls. We see both players are tentative and not running big numbers and I know the table plays a factor but I have seen Scott run 18 and out on tables just as tight. Day 1 he made too many errors and missed easy shots, Alex did the same thing Scott did when they played day 2. Lets see how this day ends up.

I feel if Scott played his game like I have seen him play Alex would not like it but this is his game when playing Alex. If he looks back and watches this match he will shake his head at some of the missed balls tired or not. I don't know whether he watched the first match he played with Alex for big money at Hard Times or not but the video doesn't lie.

I know Scott pretty well and I know he wants to win this badly, he has been playing more then ever but one thing that really would step his game up a notch is dedicated daily practice which he really never does. Practice is good for focusing on your fundamentals and working on any weaknesses, at his level you can't have them especially playing someone like Alex.

Scott is the underdog but Alex might be the only guy on the planet he is an underdog to. I would like to see Shane play the winner of this. The Accu-Stats 1 pocket MIH is coming up soon and that will be exciting to watch also.

I like your posts typically honest even though I know your close with Scott

I agree when Scott played Richie richeson he was more aggressive but more importantly he could execute

In this match up like I said before he seems intimidated even if he doesn't admit it

I agree seeing Shane play winner
He would be the under dog for me
Anyone confirm that Scott didn't post the 25 and instead playing for 20k?