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[Celtic]

Seems like you aren't really understanding what happened. I don't see Ozzy as twisting anything, but you seem to be. Of course Sky didn't intentionally want to hurt CSI at the outset. However, once it was explained to him that his actions would hurt CSI, and was asked to hold the match for a mere few hours, then if he didn't wait, it would be intentionally hurting CSI. And, at that point, once Sky would have intentionally hurt CSI, actions would be taken.

What about the possible negative consequences of breaking an action match up by 3 hours in the middle of the session? What about negative results on his match that CSI may have ultimately caused by strong arming him into taking that break?

Some players are momentum players that take a while to get into a groove and those types of players might not want to take a three hour break in the middle of a match that causes them to get out of stroke.

What about the negative hurt caused to Bigtruck's own stream when it is now forced to start earlier in the day, and go later into the night screwing up potential customers on both sides of the start and end? In effect what Ozzy forced this match to do resulted in the stream for that day being 3 hours more of a time commitment for every person watching it.

What about those negative results Ozzy basically caused by forcing their hand? That is cool that he looked out for his own interests while stepping all over the interests of those invested into the action match?

 

[Neil]

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This is just a stupid thing to say... I don't even know how to respond to that. I'm guessing you've never played for more than $15. As soon as you get in stroke you have to take a THREE HOUR BREAK and now you just get tired... lol


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Stupid thing to say? No, actually, yours is though. Spoken from an amateur "see-saw" player that doesn't understand that consistency is consistency. Anyone who's game falls off with a 3 hour wait has no business playing for that kind of money EVER. And anyone who would back someone that the 3 hour wait would affect negatively doesn't care much for their money.

 

[Neil]

What about the possible negative consequences of breaking an action match up by 3 hours in the middle of the session? What about negative results on his match that CSI may have ultimately caused by strong arming him into taking that break?

Some players are momentum players that take a while to get into a groove and those types of players might not want to take a three hour break in the middle of a match that causes them to get out of stroke.

What about the negative hurt caused to Bigtruck's own stream when it is now forced to start earlier in the day, and go later into the night screwing up potential customers on both sides of the start and end? In effect what Ozzy forced this match to do resulted in the stream for that day being 3 hours more of a time commitment for every person watching it.

What about those negative results Ozzy basically caused by forcing their hand? That is cool that he looked out for his own interests while stepping all over the interests of those invested into the action match?

You didn't really just say that, did you??? You are all butt hurt because YOU had to wait three hours and maybe missed part of it. What, you had to go to work to benefit yourself, and didn't think how it might affect viewership if you didn't watch it instead of looking out for yourself?

You see, you are only looking at one side of things because you didn't get what you wanted. Try looking at both sides for a clearer picture.

 

[cleary]

Stupid thing to say? No, actually, yours is though. Spoken from an amateur "see-saw" player that doesn't understand that consistency is consistency. Anyone who's game falls off with a 3 hour wait has no business playing for that kind of money EVER. And anyone who would back someone that the 3 hour wait would affect negatively doesn't care much for their money.

 

[Keith Jawahir]

Stupid thing to say? No, actually, yours is though. Spoken from an amateur "see-saw" player that doesn't understand that consistency is consistency. Anyone who's game falls off with a 3 hour wait has no business playing for that kind of money EVER. And anyone who would back someone that the 3 hour wait would affect negatively doesn't care much for their money.

What about the possible negative consequences of breaking an action match up by 3 hours in the middle of the session? What about negative results on his match that CSI may have ultimately caused by strong arming him into taking that break?

Some players are momentum players that take a while to get into a groove and those types of players might not want to take a three hour break in the middle of a match that causes them to get out of stroke.

What about the negative hurt caused to Bigtruck's own stream when it is now forced to start earlier in the day, and go later into the night screwing up potential customers on both sides of the start and end? In effect what Ozzy forced this match to do resulted in the stream for that day being 3 hours more of a time commitment for every person watching it.

What about those negative results Ozzy basically caused by forcing their hand? That is cool that he looked out for his own interests while stepping all over the interests of those invested into the action match?

I bet this argument has been made for Shane by these same people in the past.

Again, apply these statements to AZBforum's golden boy and see what kind of response you get.

 

[Celtic]

You didn't really just say that, did you??? You are all butt hurt because YOU had to wait three hours and maybe missed part of it. What, you had to go to work to benefit yourself, and didn't think how it might affect viewership if you didn't watch it instead of looking out for yourself?

You see, you are only looking at one side of things because you didn't get what you wanted. Try looking at both sides for a clearer picture.

Nice try Neil but you fell on your ass on thar swing and a miss.

I personally did not watch the match or buy the PPV nor did I bet on it. I am absolutely on the outside looking in on thus and judging both sides without any direct investment from myself. Now follow up standing back up, dusting yourself off, and bunting with your backpedaling "well...well... than why do you care???" response.

Also, your completely ignoring the effects this had on the actual match and Bigtruck's own stream is not missed by anyone.

 

[TATE]

We have several years of records with various events and the 7' table events ALWAYS do better then 9' events.

Mark,

Is this true for both pro and amateur events? Are you giving any consideration to bringing in some 9 footers for the pros to use for the future events?

I am mainly asking because I prefer to watch pros play on 9 footers - which many here seem to agree with.

Chris

 

[Dockter]

I hope Matchroom rethinks what events give points after this. It's one thing to say you are barred from playing in our events but to say it will also cost you someone else’s event too is absurd.

Would this be nearly the big deal it was if MC points weren't awarded in said events?

 

[Neil]

Nice try Neil but you fell on your ass on thar swing and a miss.

I personally did not watch the match or buy the PPV nor did I bet on it. I am absolutely on the outside looking in on thus and judging both sides without any direct investment from myself. Now follow up standing back up, dusting yourself off, and bunting with your backpedaling "well...well... than why do you care???" response.

Also, your completely ignoring the effects this had on the actual match and Bigtruck's own stream is not missed by anyone.

Then your "outside in" must be through a one way glass. As I stated earlier, the break should have NO affect on the outcome of the match. Not at their level of play. As to Bigtrucks stream, it was earlier stated that he agreed to the deal. So, if he's not worried about it, why should anyone else be??

 

[throne4]

Am I missing something???? CSI was hosting these events which means that the tournament schedule that the players have committed to becomes top priority. Doesnt matter if the side games were for 10 million dollars, CSI has an obligation to make there tournaments run as smooth as possible so they shouldn't have to adjust anything as it could effect other players. And furthermore they are the ones with the large investment to host these great events thus have every right to make any decisions. this is not a gambling event its a tournament, gambling comes second

 

[watchez]

Then your "outside in" must be through a one way glass. As I stated earlier, the break should have NO affect on the outcome of the match. Not at their level of play. As to Bigtrucks stream, it was earlier stated that he agreed to the deal. So, if he's not worried about it, why should anyone else be??

Do you really believe what you type or just make up shit and try to stand behind it? Unfortunately, it just flows over the top of your head and you stand there covered in it.

Since everyone likes analogies....can you explain this Neil. Two football teams are playing. In the first half a team is winning 24-3. They go to halftime, the teams regroup. They may even be given a slight adjustment to consider by their coaches. Then in the second half the losing team hits their stride and winds up winning the game 34-31. In your mind, how can that ever happen??? These are professionals getting paid a lot of money to play football.
Or how can a pro golfer shoot -32 on the front 9 and then -41 on the back. These guys are professionals.

Go ahead Neil -- come up with something else. I can't wait to see what your brain tries to come up with next.

 

[TATE]

Wow, how did I miss this shitstorm?

In the event scheduling world, it's professional courtesy and just good business sense to create schedules after researching competitive events. Your choice is to go around them, ride on them, not do them or compete with them. Since I do events, I have done all these options. A simple email to Mark and Ozzy could have avoided this mess. Oscar should have definitely checked with CSI for conflicts before finalizing the schedule and I am sure lesson learned there. This is where the mistake was made. Oscar is a very intelligent and decent human being and would not want to intentionally cause a conflict. Since he is getting more into tournament promotion himself, there will be a learning curve.

That being said, I disagree with Ozzy's power play on Sky. I think everybody can see why now. Bad PR for himself and CSI. On the other hand, I wonder if Ozzy is taking a bullet on this one. Seems like it to me.

 

[Celtic]

Am I missing something???? CSI was hosting these events which means that the tournament schedule that the players have committed to becomes top priority. Doesnt matter if the side games were for 10 million dollars, CSI has an obligation to make there tournaments run as smooth as possible so they shouldn't have to adjust anything as it could effect other players. And furthermore they are the ones with the large investment to host these great events thus have every right to make any decisions. this is not a gambling event its a tournament, gambling comes second

"Something" seems like an understatement...

 

[Neil]

Do you really believe what you type or just make up shit and try to stand behind it? Unfortunately, it just flows over the top of your head and you stand there covered in it.

Since everyone likes analogies....can you explain this Neil. Two football teams are playing. In the first half a team is winning 24-3. They go to halftime, the teams regroup. They may even be given a slight adjustment to consider by their coaches. Then in the second half the losing team hits their stride and winds up winning the game 34-31. In your mind, how can that ever happen??? These are professionals getting paid a lot of money to play football.
Or how can a pro golfer shoot -32 on the front 9 and then -41 on the back. These guys are professionals.

Go ahead Neil -- come up with something else. I can't wait to see what your brain tries to come up with next.

So if they postponed it to the next day, or played it a day earlier, the outcome would then also have to be skewed. Your football and golf analogies are nothing more than comparing apples to oranges. Not the same thing at all.

Also, not sure of this, but weren't they already planning on taking a break anyways, and the length of the break just became extended?

 

[(((Satori)))]

So if they postponed it to the next day, or played it a day earlier, the outcome would then also have to be skewed. Your football and golf analogies are nothing more than comparing apples to oranges. Not the same thing at all.

Also, not sure of this, but weren't they already planning on taking a break anyways, and the length of the break just became extended?

Your posting seems to have gotten worse after that break you just took.

 

[jay helfert]

There were several big money (and I mean BIG!) played at Good Times during the ten days of the U.S. Open events. They were all "ahead" sets and they would play for 8-10 hours and then take a break overnight and come back the next day. Oftentimes one player was on a roll and wanted to continue play but his opponent asked for the break and got it. They came back the next day and continued without a hitch. Those on here who are saying that taking a three hour break affected the outcome of the match are really not that knowledgeable about big time pool. In these long matches the best player usually wins, break or no break. Momentum be damned!

If you play as good as these guys, taking a long "dinner" break will not affect your game one iota. You come back, take a short warm-up, and get back into it. In a game or two it looks just like the match did before the break. Nothing's changed, except the clock on the wall. These guys must perform at all times of the day (and night), often playing a match and having to take either a long or short break before their next match. They adjust, do what they need to do and come back ready. It's that simple.

And YES, the tournament should take priority over gambling games, all day and all night. What if Skyler (or Oscar) had a match scheduled at the same time. What do you think would have happened then? You're right, they would have taken a break, probably three hours or more. HELLO!

 

[Dockter]

And YES, the tournament should take priority over gambling games, all day and all night. What if Skyler (or Oscar) had a match scheduled at the same time. What do you think would have happened then? You're right, they would have taken a break, probably three hours or more. HELLO!

That would be different Jay. The players both had the choice and would know their schedule. By what could disqualify him from the MC is a strong arm tactic.

I'm sure there have been players losing and asked for a break when the other players backer said no, keep playing, if they didn't want to keep playing they could quit.

I love CSI and what they do for pool and I really hope something like this doesn't happen again. It just looks bad and I don't think a promoter not liking someone should hurt their chances at the MC unless the player offends Matchroom of course.

 

[watchez]

Wow, how did I miss this shitstorm?

In the event scheduling world, it's professional courtesy and just good business sense to create schedules after researching competitive events. Your choice is to go around them, ride on them, not do them or compete with them. Since I do events, I have done all these options. A simple email to Mark and Ozzy could have avoided this mess. Oscar should have definitely checked with CSI for conflicts before finalizing the schedule and I am sure lesson learned there. This is where the mistake was made. Oscar is a very intelligent and decent human being and would not want to intentionally cause a conflict. Since he is getting more into tournament promotion himself, there will be a learning curve.

That being said, I disagree with Ozzy's power play on Sky. I think everybody can see why now. Bad PR for himself and CSI. On the other hand, I wonder if Ozzy is taking a bullet on this one. Seems like it to me.

Oscar wasn't streaming this. Big Truck was. It was on him to see if there was a conflict and then decide if he still wanted to stream. The stream is secondary. To say Oscar did anything wrong is assaninne.

There was never to be a scheduled break. Oscar played Justin a race to a 100 in the two days prior to playing Sky. There were no breaks besides a smoke break.

Let's see ---Oscar played in California til late on Sunday. Drove to Vegas. Played Bergman for two days. Then played Sky for two days. Who do you think taking a 3 hour break would hurt the most? All of this on one of the tightest tables in the country so you had to have the utmost concentration. For all the experts out there I'll let you know the answer -- Oscar.

And there is that misuse of the word 'intentionally' again. Nothing was intentional. Neither player knew about a challenge stream match by CSI.

 

[Spimp13]

Did Sky comment about the long break after the match was played? He might be laid back enough to not comment on it...just curious.

 

[jay helfert]

Did Sky comment about the long break after the match was played? He might be laid back enough to not comment on it...just curious.

I saw both these guys after the match and we chatted about the outcome. Neither one mentioned the three hour break as having anything to do with it.