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And their own tee blocks
Because the ELO is central to chess. You can't have one without the other.
The ELO is NOT central to pool.
Not yet anyway.
To have it reflect on pool in the same way it does in chess, that would mean an entire restructuring of modern pool WORLDWIDE, and I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that that's just not going to happen....EVER
I agree with this. However, the Fargorate may be the impetus to unite pool worldwide. That is a huge, huge, huge, leap, and I don't know what Mike Page's plans are for it, but I could see the potential of this taking off. If it ever does will remain to be seen.
For further reading, check out the wikipedia on Mr Elo's system, and how it has evolved with the different chess federations, and other entities using it:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elo_rating_system
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elo_rating_system
Right. You make a mistake in pool, it could be a miss, it could be a poor safety (either bad shot selection or bad speed), not pocketing a ball on the break. It's impact isn't as significant as it is in chess, and never will be.
In chess, there is the right way and the wrong way. And a mistake in chess, is basically like dogging your brains out on a straight in 9ball a foot from the hole.
They are so terrible, that it is actually called, "a blunder" and is such a gross error, that the player who blunders, almost immediately resigns because they know now they have zero chance of winning.
You will never see that in pool because a game of rotation pool takes minutes, while a game of chess can take hours.
That's why ELO in chess is so huge, and why ELO in pool will always be a novelty IMO.
Aside from the fact that they will need to keep different databases on rotation games, 8ball games, 14.1 and 1pocket if they REALLY want the system to be accurate, there is no way for the system to be accurate about a game that takes a couple of minutes.
Is the Elo system used in speed chess?
There are several different ratings based on the speed of the game.
So your classical rating is different from your rapid rating and that is different from your blitz rating.
I'm pretty sure some clowns are better than SVB in some rotation games.
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Fargo has the potential to change pool. The more it is utilized, the more accurate it gets. It will provide a great tool for knowing a players abilities.
The naysayers don't understand the potential or the plan.
I only wish more people would actually embrace the concept of a standard rating system. I just don't get where all the animosity comes from. The goal should be to improve the world of pool - and FargoRate will do that. The more widely accepted it is, the more accurate it will be and the better it will be for all of pool.
I applaud Mike Page and Steve Ernst and all their efforts. CSI endorses the whole concept and will hopefully be helpful in making it become the 'gold standard' of rating players.
And hopefully some of the critics will be just a little more patient, a little more understanding, and maybe do a little soul searching as to what they are trying to accomplish with all their negative attitudes.
FargoRate is the best thing to happen to pool in years.
Mark Griffin, CEO
CSI
The naysayers don't understand the potential or the plan.
I only wish more people would actually embrace the concept of a standard rating system. I just don't get where all the animosity comes from. The goal should be to improve the world of pool - and FargoRate will do that. The more widely accepted it is, the more accurate it will be and the better it will be for all of pool.
I applaud Mike Page and Steve Ernst and all their efforts. CSI endorses the whole concept and will hopefully be helpful in making it become the 'gold standard' of rating players.
And hopefully some of the critics will be just a little more patient, a little more understanding, and maybe do a little soul searching as to what they are trying to accomplish with all their negative attitudes.
FargoRate is the best thing to happen to pool in years.
Mark Griffin, CEO
CSI
Since individual pool games are a piece of a "set" I would think that there should be some sort of weight given to who actually won the match.
Much in the same way some gamblers pro rate their sets...say by playing $200 a set, and $25 for every game difference.
So if someone beats someone in a race to 7, by the margin of 7-4, that would be $200 for the set and another $150 for each game difference.
I wonder how the ratings would change if they were to incorporate the data to reflect that.
(You heard it here first)
Much in the same way some gamblers pro rate their sets...say by playing $200 a set, and $25 for every game difference.
So if someone beats someone in a race to 7, by the margin of 7-4, that would be $200 for the set and another $150 for each game difference.
I wonder how the ratings would change if they were to incorporate the data to reflect that.
(You heard it here first)
Good post Mark
But...I think Ozzy is the best thing to happen to pool in years...and Rayman is right behind him...just foolin with yah!
Wedge
But...I think Ozzy is the best thing to happen to pool in years...and Rayman is right behind him...just foolin with yah!
Wedge
As far as the #57 player in the world. Here is the current status.
Karen Corr is Fargo of 722
Chris Bartram is 752
Chen Siming is 770
Karen is playing in the US Open. I know Karen has beat a lot of guys and is a very capable player.
Siming would spot Karen 11-8.
Chris would spot Karen 11-9
Siming would spot Chris 11-10
The above spots are what Fargo says is the closest to a 50% chance of victory.
Fargo predicts the outcome based on historical performance. Pool by nature is a volatile game - and upsets happen - and any top player can beat another top player. But in the end, played over enough games, the FargoRate will prove to be quite
accurate.
I'm not getting into the deterioration of value of older data, or any number of other concepts. no system is perfect because of the nature of the game. However, even in its infancy, FargoRate is so much more accurate than anything that currently exists.
To deny that is either nor understanding the system or just not open to the reality of past performance. So please - if you really have the interests of pool at heart - give the system a chance. You might be pleasantly surprised.
Mark Griffin
Karen Corr is Fargo of 722
Chris Bartram is 752
Chen Siming is 770
Karen is playing in the US Open. I know Karen has beat a lot of guys and is a very capable player.
Siming would spot Karen 11-8.
Chris would spot Karen 11-9
Siming would spot Chris 11-10
The above spots are what Fargo says is the closest to a 50% chance of victory.
Fargo predicts the outcome based on historical performance. Pool by nature is a volatile game - and upsets happen - and any top player can beat another top player. But in the end, played over enough games, the FargoRate will prove to be quite
accurate.
I'm not getting into the deterioration of value of older data, or any number of other concepts. no system is perfect because of the nature of the game. However, even in its infancy, FargoRate is so much more accurate than anything that currently exists.
To deny that is either nor understanding the system or just not open to the reality of past performance. So please - if you really have the interests of pool at heart - give the system a chance. You might be pleasantly surprised.
Mark Griffin
I don't know the whole Fargo system .
But I can tell you this from what I know
There are more then 56 guys that would heist siming .
I'm not saying she can't play .
But to have her in the top 100 of men is far off .
Yes, if anyone can Siming Chen can I've witnessed her play in fact I have played her, she is better than both of them.
sexist womanizer !!! :grin:
Unfortunately your credibility with this statement sort of went out the window when you called yourself a pro in the other thread. Sorry
Apples and Oranges
Mark was talking about races to 11. Karen Corr has two fourth place finishes at Turning Stone. Ask Hatch and Deuel, Savathong and others how Karen plays in races to 11 in a predominately men's field.
Wedge
Mark was talking about races to 11. Karen Corr has two fourth place finishes at Turning Stone. Ask Hatch and Deuel, Savathong and others how Karen plays in races to 11 in a predominately men's field.
Wedge