$20,000 Challenge to Lou Figueroa.

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alstl said:
Did you watch the match? I think JB's high run for the match was 3 balls. Lou posted a video where he ran 100 in 14.1

I'd put those odds a lot higher than 3-2 but Lou has been around pool long enough to know what he is doing.
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Pretty sure I didn't run more than 2 balls........

Luckily you only need 8 to win a game. :-)
 
JB Cases said:
Lou, next month I will have $20,000 to play you. So let's do a two-man tournament with $20,000 entry fee and $40,000 to the winner.

My non-negotiable conditions are as follows.

1. The money is all posted by the 30th of November with an agreed upon 3rd party. The match is played in December on an agreed upon date.

2. The match will be played at Jamacia Joe's in Oklahoma City on a Diamond 9ft table.

3. The game is one pocket - gambling rules no 3 foul - 10 ahead.

4. We play 8 hours a day until the match is done.

5. Neither player is allowed to talk with anyone but the wait staff unless both players are present for the conversation with any other person. Any violation of this condition will be a loss of game.

6. A referee will be present and that referee will be paid 5% from the winner's take for his services.

I am not going to argue about it. Yes or no will suffice. Of course I know that it's unlikely that you will let it go at that. But these are my terms. Last time I went with almost all of yours. This time if you can get the backing and you are not afraid to play you can win another 20k.

Once again, these terms are non-negotiable. You can berate me all you want to but this is how I want to play. If you feel you can't win then a simple no is enough.

Everyone else, go ahead and flame away. You're welcome.
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You gotta have two things to win. You gotta have brains and you gotta have balls. Now, you got too much of one and not enough of the other.

Respect for putting this out there, JB, no matter what happens. :thumbup:
 
John doesn't want the bet - otherwise he wouldn't have made his conditions "non-negotiable". He assumes Lou won't dance to his tune, and Lou shouldn't.

John's real play here is to set "non-negotiable" conditions that Lou will naturally refuse - then he can crow for the next year (or 10) that he backed Lou down.

You know what they say about wrestling with pigs, Lou - especially rabid ones.

pj
chgo
 
BRussell put Lou's odds at 3-2, I don't agree.
Just because the score was 9-6 doesn't make odds 3-2.
I think Lou would be a 98% winner, with the 2% being some kind of twisted ankle from walking around the table.
He won the 1st match 9-6, this one would be an ahead set to 10. His odds of winning would go up immensely. The better player always wins an ahead set, period!

The rules/stipulations asked for by JB seem very fare to me. The only thing I can see is possibly the date/time does not work? Sometimes people have plans and to come on here and say I will play you for 20K but only during the month of December, well....maybe that is inconvenient to Lou? Who knows....

But, by watching the last match, it sure seems like Lou is the better player. If it were me...my wife would be making me hit the practice table and book my flight, LOL She would be looking at new purses :grin:
 
Patrick Johnson said:
John doesn't want the bet - otherwise he wouldn't have made his conditions "non-negotiable". He assumes Lou won't dance to his tune, and Lou shouldn't.

John's real play here is to set "non-negotiable" conditions that Lou will naturally refuse - then he can crow for the next year (or 10) that he backed Lou down.

You know what they say about wrestling with pigs, Lou - especially rabid ones.

pj
chgo
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Which condition should Lou or anyone else be opposed to?
 
Patrick Johnson said:
John doesn't want the bet - otherwise he wouldn't have made his conditions "non-negotiable". He assumes Lou won't dance to his tune, and Lou shouldn't.

John's real play here is to set "non-negotiable" conditions that Lou will naturally refuse - then he can crow for the next year (or 10) that he backed Lou down.

You know what they say about wrestling with pigs, Lou - especially rabid ones.

pj
chgo
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I disagree. John knows that with Lou being potentially being staked and a heavy favorite, the answer could have well been "yes". We know John will play. It's a spot to just play someone on their home court. Considering the lopsided match last time, completely reasonable.
 
Patrick Johnson said:
John doesn't want the bet - otherwise he wouldn't have made his conditions "non-negotiable". He assumes Lou won't dance to his tune, and Lou shouldn't.

John's real play here is to set "non-negotiable" conditions that Lou will naturally refuse - then he can crow for the next year (or 10) that he backed Lou down.

You know what they say about wrestling with pigs, Lou - especially rabid ones.

pj
chgo
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This is the perfect analysis.
 
TATE said:
More curious as to why the lower stakes offer from Lou.
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Maybe he has 10K of his own and doesn't want to split it with backers? But even then, why not back yourself for half and let the backers put up 10K of which you could get 3K/4K if you win......who knows...
 
Make it 15 ball rotation, BIH after a missed pot, 1 point per ball, race to 1000 points, and I'll donate $20 to the streamer and $15 to each player.

Couldn't care less who wins a strategical battle when the essence of the original argument was who can pot better.

Colin
 
Colin Colenso said:
Make it 15 ball rotation, BIH after a missed pot, 1 point per ball, race to 1000 points, and I'll donate $20 to the streamer and $15 to each player.

Couldn't care less who wins a strategical battle when the essence of the original argument was who can pot better.

Colin
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The game you just described souds like a lot of fun. I dislike the "miss the 9, you pretty much lose, even after potting the 8 balls before that" factor of 9 ball, that variant with 15 balls where you have 1 point per ball seems fun, especially with the BIH after a miss.
 
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SamLambert said:
The game you just described souds like a lot of fun. I dislike the "miss the 9, you pretty much lose, even after potting the 8 balls before that" factor of 9 ball, that variant where you have 1 point per ball seems fun, especially with the BIH after a miss.
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But it completely eliminates defense, a very important aspect of the game.
 
TATE said:
But it completely eliminates defense, a very important aspect of the game.
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Not too sure that is relevant in a CTE vs Non-CTE fight to the death these guys are in.

Who is really worried about what kind of safe CTE helps you play?

BIH on a miss? Brutal.

I think Colin is on the money here.

Who can run out with their technique?
 
American Rotation

Get Joe Tucker involved as a promotional event. American Rotation is a true test of skill with a very even playing field.

Wedge
 
Wedge said:
Get Joe Tucker involved as a promotional event. American Rotation is a true test of skill with a very even playing field.

Wedge
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Can still hide in that game when you lose position.

It's preferable, but not ideal, and the double points on the easy end have the reward system reversed.

Colin
 
TATE said:
But it completely eliminates defense, a very important aspect of the game.
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Not wanting to eliminate defensive games Chris, but our sport sadly lacks a purely offensive game.

Golf, darts, bowling, archery, shooting etc are purely offensive. Cue sport games offer no such option.

It's way past time such options were trialed, as what is on offer is clearly not popular as a TV sport.

Colin
 
I will be surprised if you get two one pocket players to play rotation.

Maybe straight pool....but not rotation.
 
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