$20,000 Challenge to Lou Figueroa.

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Well, that turned out as expected. Now the question remains, will JB try to fire that 20k at someone else? Or was Lou his only target in life?
 
I don't get it

I didn't see the first match. Was it close ? If like some say Lou is stealing
why not play on johns terms. Has john got a lot better ? Lou got worse?
And why are some people saying they bet on Lou the first time but want
John this time. Was there some coaching going on last time ?. Or does
john have his nose open. I know if I beat someone in a long ahead set
one day I will beat the next time also, unless something weird has happened.
If Lou was getting staked, unless something is totally different the stakehorse
should be turning cartwheels to put him back in the box. I'm confused.
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jackpot said:
I didn't see the first match. Was it close ? If like some say Lou is stealing
why not play on johns terms. Has john got a lot better ? Lou got worse?
And why are some people saying they bet on Lou the first time but want
John this time. Was there some coaching going on last time ?. Or does
john have his nose open. I know if I beat someone in a long ahead set
one day I will beat the next time also, unless something weird has happened.
If Lou was getting staked, unless something is totally different the stakehorse
should be turning cartwheels to put him back in the box. I'm confused.
jack
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#Cruncher said:
Well, that turned out as expected. Now the question remains, will JB try to fire that 20k at someone else? Or was Lou his only target in life?
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If Lou can't find the backing or has some other reason not to play I will invest the money back into my business.

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jackpot said:
I didn't see the first match. Was it close ? If like some say Lou is stealing
why not play on johns terms. Has john got a lot better ? Lou got worse?
And why are some people saying they bet on Lou the first time but want
John this time. Was there some coaching going on last time ?. Or does
john have his nose open. I know if I beat someone in a long ahead set
one day I will beat the next time also, unless something weird has happened.
If Lou was getting staked, unless something is totally different the stakehorse
should be turning cartwheels to put him back in the box. I'm confused.
jack
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Lou beat me 9-6 in a race. He insinuated that he laid down to keep it close. I agree with you. Looks like an easy payday.

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Oh now makes a little more sense

Okay, that's a lot different John. If he knew it was a one set deal, and
I presume he did, I can't see laying down at all. Anything could happen
in a race. I would think the stakehorse would be a little pissed If he
started stalling, and it was a one set deal.
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#Cruncher said:
Well, that turned out as expected. Now the question remains, will JB try to fire that 20k at someone else? Or was Lou his only target in life?
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He will see this as a victory over Lou.

TBH it is an odd move from Lou to pass on this given the way the last match went. JB had little chance to win the ahead set, Lou was pretty much stealing. If Lou simply said "flip it" I am guessing he would be walking away with 20k more in his jeans than he started with. Even if the money does not matter, he also walks away with a 2-0 record against JB and a total of $30,000 of his money, and Lou likes to have those types of things over JB.

Unless JB just finished a Rocky style montage with Stan with countless hours of shooting CVE shots while wearing a stroke training body suit that shocks you every time you do a chicken wing stroke, fail to follow through properly, or finish the stroke hopping on one foot while holding your cue over your head.

But seriously, let's face it come match time JB is going to shoot like JB and Lou is probably 90%+ the favorite to get the money.

None of JB's requests for this match are unreasonable
It is a standard diamond table, it is in the USA, the no talking rule more than anything stops the coaching claims that were against JB last time.

For a guy who is such a huge favorite in the match most gamblers would jump at this offer, especially if they are already up $10,000 and beat the guy pretty soundly last time.
 
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Celtic said:
He will see this as a victory over Lou.

TBH it is an odd move from Lou to pass on this given the way the last match went. JB had little chance to win the ahead set, Lou was pretty much stealing. If Lou simply said "flip it" I am guessing he would be walking away with 20k more in his jeans than he started with. Even if the money does not matter, he also walks away with a 2-0 record against JB and a total of $30,000 of his money, and Lou likes to have those types of things over JB.

Unless JB just finished a Rocky style montage with Stan with countless hours of shooting CVE shots while wearing a stroke training body suit that shocks you every time you do a chicken wing stroke, fail to follow through properly, or finish the stroke hopping on one foot while holding your cue over your head.

But seriously, let's face it come match time JB is going to shoot like JB and Lou is probably 90%+ the favorite to get the money.

None of JB's requests for this match are unreasonable
It is a standard diamond table, it is in the USA, the no talking rule more than anything stops the coaching claims that were against JB last time.

For a guy who is such a huge favorite in the match most gamblers would jump at this offer, especially if they are already up $10,000 and beat the guy pretty soundly last time.
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The smart money would say your assessment is likely to be 100% correct.
 
jackpot said:
Okay, that's a lot different John. If he knew it was a one set deal, and
I presume he did, I can't see laying down at all. Anything could happen
in a race. I would think the stakehorse would be a little pissed If he
started stalling, and it was a one set deal.
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The insinuation was that he laid down. He never outright said it. I don't think for a second that he did but IF he did then the only answer to my challenge now ought to be yes.

Anyway, the way I see it is that set is done, we did that dance and I lost.

Here it is a year and a half later and I want to play him again. They tried to high roll me and raise the bet to $25,000 last time a few days before the match. So 20k is the right bet I think all things considered.

We didn't negotiate any sets beyond one so I have no issues there. I won't even say it's nitty if they don't play. As far as I am concerned that set and all the drama around it is a closed chapter in my life and the only connection for me is that I still think I can beat the guy. I know that my best game wasn't on display and that's the only real motivation here for me.

I don't want any drama, all that is out of my system. Just two guys on the table for 20k playing some one pocket. I learned the hard way that the theatrics mixed with adrenaline-fueled hatred don't mix with maintaining the focus I would need to play the best I can play.

My only thought is if Lou has people who think he is stealing then they should be doing everything possible to convince him to take the short drive to Oklahoma City and steal the money. I am not stealing. I think I will have to play good and even a little over my head but I have outrun the nuts before so it could happen.

We will see what happens by next Friday.
 
I think John would play this match once a year for life, even if Lou beats him once a year for life (hypothetically). John will never quit. It could be an annual event.
 
Doesn't Tramp Steamer live about 1/2 between Lou and John?

Seems like neutral ground.

If they could agree on that, and John would take $10K in rail bets, I'd post 2 or 3K on Lou.

Al
 
Neil said:
So you never heard the loser demand more weight to play again? No different.

But, unless Lou just gives a flat out NO to a rematch, I imagine it might be a while before we hear from him on this.

First, he has to decide if he wants to play, then he has to get ahold of his backers, then they have to decide, then they have to change the rules of play just because. ect. That all takes time.

Of course, then there is the back and forth getting the rules actually agreed to. I imagine that is where one party will back out.
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The terms are non negotiable according to the original post. Pretty simple terms. Yes or no answer!
 
Really?

JB Cases said:
Lou, next month I will have $20,000 to play you. So let's do a two-man tournament with $20,000 entry fee and $40,000 to the winner.

My non-negotiable conditions are as follows.

1. The money is all posted by the 30th of November with an agreed upon 3rd party. The match is played in December on an agreed upon date.

2. The match will be played at Jamacia Joe's in Oklahoma City on a Diamond 9ft table.

3. The game is one pocket - gambling rules no 3 foul - 10 ahead.

4. We play 8 hours a day until the match is done.

5. Neither player is allowed to talk with anyone but the wait staff unless both players are present for the conversation with any other person. Any violation of this condition will be a loss of game.

6. A referee will be present and that referee will be paid 5% from the winner's take for his services.

I am not going to argue about it. Yes or no will suffice. Of course I know that it's unlikely that you will let it go at that. But these are my terms. Last time I went with almost all of yours. This time if you can get the backing and you are not afraid to play you can win another 20k.

Once again, these terms are non-negotiable. You can berate me all you want to but this is how I want to play. If you feel you can't win then a simple no is enough.

Everyone else, go ahead and flame away. You're welcome.
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Well you could stream it, sell viewing, seating and be a one man trade show. That would help subsidize the loss and its great advertisement.
 
lfigueroa said:
Non-negotiable is a non-starter.

Last time my crew and I flew out to NJ because that’s where you wanted to play. You wanted it streamed (and archived) from the Accu-Stats Arena so that the memory of the match “would be forever seared into your mind.” In fact, you paid Pat Fleming for the privilege and insisted it be a free stream so that hundreds could witness the beat down you'd put on me.

So if there’s going to be a another match, we will play where I want this time. My counter offer is: I will play for $10K, 6 ahead, here in St. Louis.

I will play — with the exception of just a couple of dates that I have something scheduled with Gail — anytime between Monday next week until the week before Thanksgiving. After that I’m traveling a lot and won’t be playing much pool.

But since your terms are non-negotiable we probably don’t have anything further to discuss.

Lou Figueroa
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I've never met either of you but I watched the last one. You were clearly stealing. Unless your game has declined or you suspect JB was sandbagging I believe you could play him anywhere and win.

Just my 2 cents.
 
336Robin said:
Well you could stream it, sell viewing, seating and be a one man trade show. That would help subsidize the loss and its great advertisement.
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I could but that's not the focus here. I have a great business that is producing. I don't need to use this match to promote it. Last time I did get plenty of marketing out of it and all in all I am sure I got a lot more than 10k profit from that exposure. But it also cost me somewhat because I was doing a lot of traveling and selling cases instead of settling down and practicing. Everywhere I went people wanted to talk about the match and give me advice and I will be eternally grateful to all of them.

But when it came to showtime I literally had many voices in my head telling me how to play one pocket. Lou even claims I had voices in my corner during the match. This time I just want to have a nice game without all the theater. For 20k. That's enough incentive right there. You don't have a one pocket Break Rak do you? :-)
 
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