*** Mosconi Cup 2015 Updates Thread ***

ideologist said:
Half the time, it works every time.
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Just another example of someone with a keyboard thinking they can spout off and say something stupid to try to defend their shallow point without someone questioning them with facts. There has been an extra amount of them this week for some reason.
 
watchez said:
Huh :eek::confused::confused:

Last year 47 Americans out of 98 ---- 48%

You were close.
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Cool. Thanks for the math. Were there 47 Euros?

With half the field being American, do you think there's a higher probability that an American would win, based purely on statistics?
 
Shawn Armstrong said:
Cool. Thanks for the math. Were there 47 Euros?

With half the field being American, do you think there's a higher probability that an American would win, based purely on statistics?
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Dude - just admit your logic is lost and move on. Maybe you should move over to the golf forum and then get back to us........or throw your keyboard in the trash, sit back and simply be seen and not heard.
 
watchez said:
Dude - just admit your logic is lost and move on. Maybe you should move over to the golf forum and then get back to us........or throw your keyboard in the trash, sit back and simply be seen and not heard.
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Coming from the biggest mouthpiece on the board, I'll take this with a grain of salt.
 
US Open champions for the past 10 years:

Europe - 4
US - 4

Dominance. Got it. The US Open is a Major, right?
 

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watchez said:
I predicted the Euro lineup. Boyes is second cause the hope is Neils wins and then Boyes gets to play the final match and do all of his theatrics. You know Boyes would want nothing more. And they are saving Appleton for the end if needed, who before the MC started was probably thought of as their best player.
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Oh this is definitely viewers choice!

snucar said:
I think Chamat has made the right choice instead. When you're at 9 and you only need 2 points for the win (plus you have 3 points advantage) you have to go for the kill straight away. You can't afford to let your opponents come close to you, because if you do that the psychological advantage will be huge and all for the USA team coming from behind. Even if he's kept the best players for last, the pressure could make them choke for fun. Plus, Van der Berg is a lost case indeed but Appleton, even if he's struggling, I don't think he can lose a match to a player like Deuel. Only Van der Berg has succeeded to such an impossible task.
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So you mean to honestly tell me you'd prefer Niels vs Berg instead of Dechaine or you'd rather have Boyes vs SVB than against Deuel? I'm sorry they made a mistake here...I dont know how that can be debated. In every sport you create a mismatch wherever possible and go to your guys.
 
mikeyfrost said:
Oh this is definitely viewers choice!



So you mean to honestly tell me you'd prefer Niels vs Berg instead of Dechaine or you'd rather have Boyes vs SVB than against Deuel? I'm sorry they made a mistake here...I dont know how that can be debated. In every sport you create a mismatch wherever possible and go to your guys.
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I think if the USA wins the first 2-3 matches then we can comeback and stage a win. If Justin plays like he did last night then Neils is in trouble. For some reason I don't see Karl getting past Shane - Karl seems to be a better doubles than singles player. Albin vs. Sky will be thrilling and I expect a hill-hill match.

MD and Corey... Can only hope one of them wins in their match to make it to the Captains Pick.
 
mikeyfrost said:
So you mean to honestly tell me you'd prefer Niels vs Berg instead of Dechaine or you'd rather have Boyes vs SVB than against Deuel? I'm sorry they made a mistake here...I dont know how that can be debated. In every sport you create a mismatch wherever possible and go to your guys.
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I think my analysis was clear enough, perhaps you should read it again. I don't see any mismatch up until the Appleton vs Deuel match, with Appleton being the clear favorite. So even in the case the Cup goes that far, Chamat keeps an advantage. The first 3 matches, which are absolutely critical, can go either way.
 
snucar said:
I think my analysis was clear enough, perhaps you should read it again. I don't see any mismatch up until the Appleton vs Deuel match, with Appleton being the clear favorite. So even in the case the Cup goes that far, Chamat keeps an advantage. The first 3 matches, which are absolutely critical, can go either way.
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I understand you believe in momentum and pressure which makes me wonder if your application of your premise is logical.

Down 9 to 6 do you think the USA players will be very tight or do you think they'll be loose since they can't do too much more wrong than has already been done? I'm asking not insinuating.

Then let's just say the score is 9-9 at that point do you then believe the USA is more likely to be tense since they now have a chance to actually win or do you think they are playing with house money and will be loose?

Have you ever seen or heard of the give up stroke? Do you recall what happened in the 2012 Mosconi Cup? Brief history lesson which I am 100% positive you are aware of since you post quite a few videos but on Day 4 USA came out with Archer, Hatch, and SVB who were playing the best of the Americans at the time. They were able to beat Ekonomopolous, Niels, and Daz (1-3 at the time). Melling was having an MVP Cup year and NVB was playing jam up and his only defeats came hill hill. They saved their 2 best playing guys for last against Shuff and Dechaine. The result was both Melling and NVB won 5-2 relatively easily to win the Cup.

If they don't win 11-6 or 11-7 it's going to get much more nip and tuck then it needed to get because of these lineups just watch.
 
mikeyfrost said:
Down 9 to 6 do you think the USA players will be very tight or do you think they'll be loose since they can't do too much more wrong than has already been done? I'm asking not insinuating.
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I think the pressure will be equal to both teams but for different reasons. USA because they can't afford any more mistakes, Europe because if the let USA catch 'em the psychological advantage they're enjoying so far will go straight down the toilet.

mikeyfrost said:
Then let's just say the score is 9-9 at that point do you then believe the USA is more likely to be tense since they now have a chance to actually win or do you think they are playing with house money and will be loose?
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If it goes 9-9, it's anybody's game.
mikeyfrost said:
Have you ever seen or heard of the give up stroke? Do you recall what happened in the 2012 Mosconi Cup? Brief history lesson which I am 100% positive you are aware of since you post quite a few videos but on Day 4 USA came out with Archer, Hatch, and SVB who were playing the best of the Americans at the time. They were able to beat Ekonomopolous, Niels, and Daz (1-3 at the time). Melling was having an MVP Cup year and NVB was playing jam up and his only defeats came hill hill. They saved their 2 best playing guys for last against Shuff and Dechaine. The result was both Melling and NVB won 5-2 relatively easily to win the Cup.
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I remember that quite well. It certainly is a possibility but hardly the rule. Just because it went that way then, it doesn't mean it has to go that way this time around. This is exactly why Chamat is trying to avoid the day reaches that far. He's throwing his best players first to kill this thing off as soon as he can. 100% believing in them, no matter what who their opponents are.
 
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Bbutler said:
How many players on the winning team were Canadian?
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Don't bother trying to argue statistics with people on here. I actually have a university degree in Statistics, and some people here have told me to look at the statistics. I guess the problem is that I ACTUALLY understand the statistics, whereas others think their concept of statistics are factually correct.

Watchez is a prime example. I merely threw out a number, assuming 90% of the field was American. Did I think it was 90%? No. He ended up looking it up. 48%. Cool. I think the field was 20% European. No matter the numbers, it proves my point in this thread. The reason that the Americans hold the highest percentage is that, all things remaining equal, they make up half the field, so based purely on random statistics, they should have 10 in the top 20. That isn't some badge of honour, or measure of dominance. It's the law of averages.
 
This crowd is simply awesome. Wish I could be there. No matter what happens today this has been a great event and we need more of it. I think USA is gonna make it close. Hope it comes down to a tie breaker!
 
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