when is the draw ?
And where can you find it ?
And where can you find it ?
Fargo Breakdown - Singles @ BCAPL Nationals
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We were both wrong
To calculate the percentage increase: First: work out the difference (increase) between the two numbers you are comparing. Then: divide the increase by the original number and multiply the answer by 100. If your answer is a negative number then this is a percentage decrease.
Men's 8 ball singles vs. Men's 9 ball singles
1070-311= 759
1070/759= 1.409749670619236
1.41*100= 141%
I did the division wrong the first time.
Look for the draws to start appearing this weekend for the early 9-ball events and the scotch doubles. 8-ball singles draw should be up by July 20th.
Brackets can be found on the CueSports Tournament System (CTS), but you will have to wait until they are up. If you go there now the entry page is shown.
We were both wrong
To calculate the percentage increase: First: work out the difference (increase) between the two numbers you are comparing. Then: divide the increase by the original number and multiply the answer by 100. If your answer is a negative number then this is a percentage decrease.
Men's 8 ball singles vs. Men's 9 ball singles
1070-311= 759
1070/759= 1.409749670619236
1.41*100= 141%
I did the division wrong the first time.
Close but you have to divide the difference by the 9-ball total
(759 / 311) * 100 = 244% increase
Is increase and 'more popular' (from Masseyman original post) the same thing?
Yes it is.
So annoyed just got off the phone with CSI BCAPL apparently I missed the late deadline. I'm an idiot - forgot to register. Argh. Might still drive down there for the mini-tourneys and the vibes ( 4 hr drive for me from LA ). Sorry don't mean to steal the thread.
Don't be so sure you can play in the mini's. I'd contact the CSI office again,. My guess is the mini's will use Fargo ratings. They will look your name up and see you're not a registered player. Better to check first. Especially if you aren't a sanctioned BCAPL or USAPL league player.
Lyn
Here's an update as of July 11.
It will be interesting to see how some of the players react to the changes in division entries. An increase in the gold / advanced player division. 2015 had 111 entries. This year it's 352. Last year, the platinum / masters had 28 players. This year 152. The silver / open drops from 884 down to 352. The bronze / leisure goes from 188 down to 152. It will be interesting to see the prize fund distribution.
Will also find it interesting to see how many of the super seniors who played last year are returning this year. I'm sure it's not broken down. It will be sad if some of them are driven off by the new division and / or Fargo Rate. I sure thought about it!
Lyn
I'm one of the super seniors that is not going. They expect that I should play like I did 30 years ago. Not happening. See how it goes and maybe next year if they make some adjustments.
Frank,
Love the super seniors. Never won but always felt I had a chance. At least all the other players were our age or older
. Still not sure Fargo takes into account how much age factors into the playing equation. Not only vision changes but the ability to play match after match, morning to night. Don't have the stamina I had even five years ago. I'm going. I'll do my best. Like you, I'll see how it goes. Hopefully well! Your absence will be noted I'm sure.Lyn
I called their office a few times. Nobody down there seems to know anything about the minis. They are like "show up, someone will know something".
In my opinion unless changes are made I think you will see a serious decrease in singles participation in coming years. I don't think increasing the amount of dead money in the gold and platinum divisions is a recipe for growth.
There needs to be an incentive to achieve a fargo rating which will place you in a higher division, in the current state this is not the case. A possible solution for this might be to split the divisions 15/30/40 (Platinum/Gold/Silver) but divide the prize fund equally between the three divisions. This would create a situation where by the higher level you achieve the less competitors there are for an equal prize. Definitely not an easy problem to solve for sure.
I will be there competing in my first and very likely my last BCA nationals representing the dead money in Platinum division lol.
Steve
Why should the prize money be equal if the field size is not equal? So there is no incentive for getting better? To be blunt, that is just dumb.
Lyn - I truly think the FargoRate is a better system in determining where a player falls. Nothing is perfect, but the prior of people moving up only when they cash got too crazy. People would manipulate that to no end. And players in the former 'open' division certainly were not 'open'. Prime examples are when Taiwanese pros tried to sneak into the Open. That is a greater atrocity than any older player maybe being rated 20 points too high cause their vision diminished over the past year. Even last year, I pointed out the people that finished high in the 'open' category, were far from being an 'open' player. Five minutes on google and that was easy to determine. And I love ya buddy, but I would say that per year, you may have more successful cashes in the BCAPL than any living player.
Again - I said this before - the BCAPL simply needs to do a better job in communicating how the Fargorate works for their league and how the structure of the national tournament will work. Words on a website or some blog or youtube video aren't enough for such a drastic change. They needed to have conference calls with all leagues. They really could have really pounded the pavement and made individual calls to players that say have played 3 or more years in the national tournament. Let's say they had 10 reps at the BCAPL doing this, each making 50 calls a day. They could have gone thru 7,000 players in two weeks.
I dont understand all of the people bickering and complaining about Fargo rated/matched tournaments before you even play in the tournament. We had the same thing going on up here before our BCAPL state tournament. At the end of the day when it was over things went well, people had a good time, and there were very few legitimate complaints. Its possible that there are going to be a handful of underrated players sneaking by under the radar but its going to be far less than years previous. Just go play, shoot tough and have a good time then see where the chips fall. :dance:
I think you misinterpreted this, the idea is to add to the higher divisions by taking from the lower. This suggestion comes from what I have seen work at golf tournaments. Prizes are equal or in some cases better in the more skilled flights even though the field is normally smaller. The goal is to promote people improving and help eliminate sandbagging.
Good post. And some of the ones complaining call others nits. LOL Johnnyt
my apologies -- I read your breakdown backwards. Didn't know you had the high skill level group listed first.
I posted it should have been 5 divisions - 20% each. This gives less of a skill difference among the group and players wouldn't feel they were way outclassed by any of their opponents. There is a big difference between a 527 player and a 611 player, for example.
Well, yes and no.
We are not very accustomed to seeing the skill differential between bottom and top of any tournament.
This gap of 85 points is
about the gap between Brandon Shuff and SVB
about the gap between Jennifer Barretta and Karen Corr
In other words, there is a clear favorite in the match, but the opponent is not in the no-chance territory. And keep in mind this is the worst-case scenario for a match.
As a league operator that annually has fifty sub-600-Fargo players attending the BCAPL Nationals, I can say that any attempt to shift entry fee prize money from lower divisions to higher divisions will be met with outrage. I will do anything in my power to stop it.
On the other hand, I have no objection to ADDING more prize money per capita to higher divisions than lower divisions. THAT is the way to go, IMO.