You just execute a good safety and say to your opponent "You're on two". He says "no I'm not". You explain his last foul and how he gave you ball in hand. He then tells you you're wrong, he made a good shot between fouls. Neither of you are lying. You both believe you are right. This happened to me in league play the other day. It turned out to be moot as she didn't foul but what if she did?
How would you handle this?
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If neither of you think the other is cheating and you cannot come to an agreement, replay the game.
If you had foul cards, yellow on one side and red on the other, it would be easier to remember.
But if he can describe his shot, you should be able to remember it.
A replay is problematic. If he really is on two and you have a lock-up safe available, saying "That's not how I remember it," should not be a get-out-of-jail-free card for him.
Usually I know whether I've been paying enough attention to remember the foul situation. If I've been dozing, I'd give up the call. If I've been intent on getting the three fouls, and was sure of the two fouls, I'd try to press on.
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I don't think I have ever shown up to a league match intent on three fouling someone.
I usually ask before I play the safe "You're on 2, right?" If the reply is "No, I'm on one." (which I know is a lie.) Then, I execute the safe and remind them they're on 1. When they fail to hit it, I tell them Now you're on 2." I lock them up again and tell them "You're on 2." I like to play a safe where Efren can't hit it.
I only do this in retaliation to someone that has to duck 3 times a rack playing 9 ball.
I only do this in retaliation to someone that has to duck 3 times a rack playing 9 ball.
I would first ask him to explain the good shot between fouls.
Coming to no agreement, I would settle for "one foul"
Not understanding why the rules are 3 foul is childish. I don't care what level. What's next? No safeties allowed.
Typical scenario is breaker scratches and leaves clusters that are unmanageable or very low percentage. Solution take ball in hand and execute a lock up safety. Now he had a decision try and make the tough hit or make the next hook tough.
No different than tieing up a ball with a push shot.
Smart play should never be frowned upon unless your a clown.
Regards
Nick B
Typical scenario is breaker scratches and leaves clusters that are unmanageable or very low percentage. Solution take ball in hand and execute a lock up safety. Now he had a decision try and make the tough hit or make the next hook tough.
No different than tieing up a ball with a push shot.
Smart play should never be frowned upon unless your a clown.
Regards
Nick B
Around here league 9-ball matches are handicapped and there is a nightly pay-out. Players take their games seriously.
One time a top player was giving up 3 games in a race to 5. The weaker player slopped in the nine the first rack, putting him on the hill. The strong player took no chances and three-fouled five consecutive racks for the win.
I like playing safe, enjoy playing 3 foul rules, but I really don't think most leagues should have that rule. Just my opinion. Leagues in many areas are about getting people to play of all skill levels, and should be enjoyable for even the beginners.
Just my opinion.
I'd say an argument with no agreement/proof/admission should go in favor of the person who fouled/didn't foul. I've been on both sides of the argument and I've given it to the person who I claim fouled and I've also been given the benefit of the doubt when I claim I didn't foul. This is why it's important to watch the shot closely and also let the opponent know if the object ball is frozen. But in case this person doesn't deserve the benefit of the doubt, next time you play a lock-up safe ask someone to watch it. I've seen many tournament directors resolve an argument in favor of the player who's the subject of the argument.
That is why all tables should come with video cam
And serious tourneys should have ref
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She didn't foul but what if she did? Is this a serious question? I never beat Mosconi's 526 but what if I did? A pig can't fly but what if it could?
What happened there my man was you sharked you opponent. Drink less beer next time so you can count to 2.
If he gave you BIH, thats 1. If he hasn't been back at the table since then and you successfully played a safety and he missed, thats 2. If he cant explain how he made a good shot between your BIH and Safety, then he's wrong. I would think the proof that he's not on 2 is more on him. Sometimes people have big imaginations! LOL.
I like the yellow/red card idea mentioned earlier. You can use a coin instead. Heads 1, tails 2. Unfortuneately, you'll have to settle for 1 foul in this case since there wasnt anything previously showing it.
If he makes a good shot between fouls, just remove the coin. If he forgets to remove the coin, then he's still on two in my book! LOL. Yeah its a technicality, but if he's going to be a ***** about it, then you can give it right back. He shouldn't dish if he cant take.
I would have settled it before another shot was taken. Replay each shot on another table if you have to or just forget it.
Trying to 3 foul a woman during a league match is bad karma, it's one of those rules that are general common sense...similar to never hitting a woman.
How about allowing 3 fouls if both players are above a certain handicap level ?
My favorite pool hall runs 2 separate team leagues. Beginner and advanced.
The beginner league is set up to favor the lower rated player. For example, alternate breaks, ball handicaps, no call shot and the 3 foul rule is only in affect if both players are highly rated.