Johnny is a top American still. If I'm picking a team for MC based on wanting to go and win Johnny would be on it.
Johnny Archer: can make impact on Mosconi Cup Team
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Johnny is a top American still. If I'm picking a team for MC based on wanting to go and win Johnny would be on it.
Yah, 32nd on the MC points list, he is still a champ...
Do you have 31 Americans you would bet on against him?!
Fargorate has the top 5 being Shane, Dechaine, Bergman, Morris, and Archer. Skill wise, I like that team.
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With Johnny at 781 and Skyler at 778 I don't see that much of a drop off skill wise:wink:
I like Skyler for MC too. He has the game and attitude. Truth be told he would be there over Dechaine if I were picking a team to go win. Not because Dechaine ain't better but for overall team chemistry.
Archer, Shane, Morris, Bergman, and Skyler
And what are you talking about when you say "qualifiers". There are NO qualifiers - just tournaments that happen to have MC points attached to them because of the strength of the field.
It's not like players are traveling there, paying an entry fee, hotel, food, etc just for MC points.
LOL
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I'm a Johnny Archer fan. I know he's an all-time great who was rightly inducted into the BCA Hall of Fame a few years ago.
... but Archer on this Mosconi team would be a total joke. After a year in which he showed little form, he once again showed nothing at the US Open.
I wouldn't pick him if the Mosconi Cup team consisted of ten players.
Mosconi is about who can beat, or at least compete, with the elite internationals.
For example, at the US Open, both Dechaine and Bergman showed good form against the elite internationals.
Dechaine beat Eurotour #1 Mark Gray 11-6, Eurotour #11 Mario He 11-3 and 2015 Team Euro member Darren Appleton 11-2.
Bergman beat Eurotour #52 Siekkinen 11-6, lost 11-9 to Eurotour #3 David Alciade and 11-9 to Dennis Orcullo.
That's why Dechaine and Bergman are right for the Mosconi team. They fight the good fight against the elite and will do so in London.
Where are Archer's signature wins? Johnny doesn't beat the elite anymore and even at the 2013 Mosconi, he looked past his prime. He's still a very good player, but not one of America's best anymore.
... but Archer on this Mosconi team would be a total joke. After a year in which he showed little form, he once again showed nothing at the US Open.
I wouldn't pick him if the Mosconi Cup team consisted of ten players.
Mosconi is about who can beat, or at least compete, with the elite internationals.
For example, at the US Open, both Dechaine and Bergman showed good form against the elite internationals.
Dechaine beat Eurotour #1 Mark Gray 11-6, Eurotour #11 Mario He 11-3 and 2015 Team Euro member Darren Appleton 11-2.
Bergman beat Eurotour #52 Siekkinen 11-6, lost 11-9 to Eurotour #3 David Alciade and 11-9 to Dennis Orcullo.
That's why Dechaine and Bergman are right for the Mosconi team. They fight the good fight against the elite and will do so in London.
Where are Archer's signature wins? Johnny doesn't beat the elite anymore and even at the 2013 Mosconi, he looked past his prime. He's still a very good player, but not one of America's best anymore.
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This is where I got qualifier from - who knows if you're talking about golf or pool
Jason
Another thought you were talking about Archer also. Post #38
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I think Morris is the better choice for that role his play is higher and his personality is more in tune with the younger guys I think he's a real good fit
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Ha ha, elite international players, you're funny!
Siekkenen?
Archer lost in the US open to Biado and the other Wu. Dechaine or Bergman don't have to beat either of them and could maybe even be considered underdogs against both. Those are real international elites, not Siekkenen.
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Bergman lost to Alcaide and Orcollo (both finished top 5).
Dechaine lost to JL Chang and SVB (the two guys that played in the finals).
So what was your point again?
My point is was that it is funny to brag on Bergman and say he earned his spot on the team just because he beat a guy on the Euro tour in the US open. Bergman should be on the team but not for that reason. Both Mike and Bergman could possibly have just as easily lost to Biado and Wu. Come on Biebs, you're smart enough to follow along.
All three, Bergman , Dechaine, and Archer are top American players. I know SJM is a huge fan of Dechaine but the reason that he gave for leaving Archer out is crazy. I understand Archer not having the points etc. but to use their US Open record for this year as the reason is hilarious when the luck of the draw could have easily been the only separation of the three.
Then he tried to make it sound really impressive by calling Siekkinen "international elite". Ha ha. AZB!
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If johnny practiced everday they ant 30 people in the world that could beat johnny on a tight pocket table.
Agree. Been watching past years MC and IMHO, the 4th and 5th picks should be Archer and Hatch who have good MC record. Issue more may be Wilson losing control of team with influential player like Archer around
First off, the Fargo rate is based on tournaments the people have played in. Just because someone doesn't play in all the tournaments does not mean that they're not as good. Yes, their ranking goes down, not because of play, though. You can't be a results picker with the Fargo Rate.
Johnny Archer still has lightning left in the jug. He's not that old. Look at Efren and Spanish Mike, both examples of players who can shine when the going gets tough. Johnny is a veteran.
About Mosconi Cup, it doesn't matter who you pick. Having this take place in England is going to be a tough feat for any American team.
The problem I have with Team USA is that there does not seem to be much unison. Europe is a good team with a great spirit. On Team USA, it seems like everybody goes their own way. That is what needs to be worked on: team unison. It's not about who's on the team. It's about how dedicated they are to the win. I feel like Team USA needs to develop a better cohesiveness.
Johnny Archer still has lightning left in the jug. He's not that old. Look at Efren and Spanish Mike, both examples of players who can shine when the going gets tough. Johnny is a veteran.
About Mosconi Cup, it doesn't matter who you pick. Having this take place in England is going to be a tough feat for any American team.
The problem I have with Team USA is that there does not seem to be much unison. Europe is a good team with a great spirit. On Team USA, it seems like everybody goes their own way. That is what needs to be worked on: team unison. It's not about who's on the team. It's about how dedicated they are to the win. I feel like Team USA needs to develop a better cohesiveness.
This is exactly the point of the SPR--specific performance rating --to forget how you finished or how you are rated but instead look at WHO you played in an event and how you did against those opponents--just the kind of thing people are making qualitative arguments about here.
https://www.facebook.com/notes/farg...specific-performance-rating-/1250993318286340
https://www.facebook.com/notes/farg...-2016-us-open-9-ball-players/1251068431612162