💡💡Helpful Tips to the Gambler: The FIRST thing you do when matching up

Hint subtlety but noticeably that you have a firearm on your person, no need to show it to them or verbalize where or what kind of firearm it is....just make sure that they know you have one. From then on the match will almost definitely go in your favor no matter what the spot is, plus you never have to worry about getting stiffed or making it out of the pool hall/parking lot safely when you win. =)


Neil

Edit: I believe it was about 1996-1997 playing on the front tables at the old Hollywood Billiards, matched up with a 7/$50 9-ball game against Shorty who played pretty well and was the better player by a ball or so. I was losing 4-5 I think and really wanted to win so I was super focused on the match, so much so that I noticed that Shorty had a well worn outline on the rear pocket of his jeans...the outline of a revolver. Right about then my motivation and emotions kind of did a little hiccup so that winning all of a sudden wasn't at the top of the priority list, I was pretty sure he wasn't going to rob/kill me if I won but there was the smallest iota in the back of my head that was scared of exactly that happening.

Of course I waited till after I lost the set to ask him about the pistol in his pocket to which he explained that he sleeps in his car so he needs a way to protect himself and his property. Shorty was a very nice man and playing him was always a learning experience even though at 23-24 I was a really shitty student and couldn't recognize a lesson if it hit me in the face. So if you were wondering why I posted the above suggest THAT is why I posted what I posted, the firsthand knowledge about how a small thing like your opponent knowing that you have a firearm on your person, it changes things ever so slightly.
 
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Fuji-whopper said:
Hint subtlety but noticeably that you have a firearm on your person, no need to show it to them or verbalize where or what kind of firearm it is....just make sure that they know you have one. From then on the match will almost definitely go in your favor no matter what the spot is, plus you never have to worry about getting stiffed or making it out of the pool hall/parking lot safely when you win. =)


Neil

Edit: I believe it was about 1996-1997 playing on the front tables at the old Hollywood Billiards, matched up with a 7/$50 9-ball game against Shorty who played pretty well and was the better player by a ball or so. I was losing 4-5 I think and really wanted to win so I was super focused on the match, so much so that I noticed that Shorty had a well worn outline on the rear pocket of his jeans...the outline of a revolver. Right about then my motivation and emotions kind of did a little hiccup so that winning all of a sudden wasn't at the top of the priority list, I was pretty sure he wasn't going to rob/kill me if I won but there was the smallest iota in the back of my head that was scared of exactly that happening.

Of course I waited till after I lost the set to ask him about the pistol in his pocket to which he explained that he sleeps in his car so he needs a way to protect himself and his property. Shorty was a very nice man and playing him was always a learning experience even though at 23-24 I was a really shitty student and couldn't recognize a lesson if it hit me in the face. So if you were wondering why I posted the above suggest THAT is why I posted what I posted, the firsthand knowledge about how a small thing like your opponent knowing that you have a firearm on your person, it changes things ever so slightly.
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Can't say what I wanna say so IL put it like this : I much more respect people that are upfront than those that would want to hide it and surprise me.....
 
Bob Jewett said:
I'm reminded of a story that George Rood told me. For those who have not heard of him, he played at about the speed of Mosconi and Lassiter but chose a different path in life. Anyway, when George was about 18, he beat a guy badly at pool and the guy wanted to play some other game. George played a little table tennis, so he suggested that, but the guy said, "No, you probably play that too well. Let's bet on who can swim across the lake fastest." George agreed to try some of that since he swam in the Olympic trials for 1936. Here is an article about him: http://www.sfbilliards.com/George_Rood_LotR.pdf
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Thanks for the great story and article!
 
lorider said:
I have to agree with you about that " trust me "

However I think there is some truth to his post.

I used to pls laggers choice Napa league. The winner of the lag got to choose what game to play....8...9 or 10 ball.

The races would vary depending in each players handicap in that format.

One night after winning the lag I told my captain I was choosing to play 8 ball. He says wait a minute ...lets talk about this.

He says ...

8 ball its a 5-3 race with you going to 5

10 ball its a 4-3 race with you going to 4

9 ball its a 3-4 race with you going to 3

He says ...you should play 9 ball....i know you can be to 3 against him. I said the kid eats...sleeps and breaths 9 ball. He is always the first one here and the last to leave and practices nothing but 9 ball. My captain says yea but you gotta spot him 2 in 8 ball and he has only got to spot you one in 9 ball. I said I would rather play my best game and his worst game instead of playing his best game and my worst game.

He relented and I won 5-0 . Some times is best t go with your your strength no matter the spot.
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He's talking about matching up a pool game for money.He's not talking about some retarded league play,that's only laughed about and made fun of in the real pool world.
 
The first thing about matching up is qualifying the prospect

This is the time to be sure that you ask questions to shape the entire
nature of the game

I start with questions like"How much money are we talking about playing for?"
 
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deanoc said:
The first thing about matching up is qualifying the prospect

This is the time to be sure that you ask questions to shape the entire
nature of the game

I start with questions like"How much money are we talking about playing for?"

Is that as high as you usually play for
Do you mind showing me the money

how much do you have on you

If I were to lose a few thousand today are you going to adjust,givre me more weight or is this a one way deal

what do you have in mind

I have a lot of respect for your game,how were you thinking about playing?

Instead of $300 pr game what say we race to 4 for $1000.its not much different

Are you playing your own money or do you have a stake horse

I hate to risk my whole stack only to find out i was only going to win
one lousy set of $500,do you mind giving me an idea of how much you are willing to
riisk to start with

How do you think we should play,I hope you have seen me play,because I
am going to need a substantial handicap against a player of your abilities

I hope you realize that i don't mind losing but I like to think I have a chance to win
,since I usually cover side bets too I need some assurances that we are serious

Now it goes without saying most people play me because they know I have money
and I can make their day,you are probably thinking of taking a shot at the money

thats ok,but I need to have a big handicap and think I have a good chance,does that make sense

The title to this thread was about matching up,most of the post have strayed or ignored the subject

I am just trying to explain my mentality when matching up

I could go into the next step ,how to create the desire to play,and the desire to
match up a tough game

all of this hasto be done in a friendly and kind way,with the ttitude that i get lots of offers to play
but I have to be selective

I want him to be trying to sell me on the idea

I don't want to play tight players looking for the best of it,bullies who want to play weaker players even

I also want to get the stakehorse involved in the matching up process

Also.I have a peculiar requirement.I only play players,gamblers and bookies

I don't want to win family mens money

Iwill practice or bat em around with friends but I only want to gamble with people like bookies,drug dealers,pimps and the such,players with stake horses or people who run like this

I want to play someone in the habit of beating up on suckers like me

so if i sound like a conniving rascal when i do play,
you are beginning to get the picture

creating the proper i table image is another important aspect to matching up
but I might be boring you guys who never consider the art of the deal

one thing I stress is control,i ask the questions,I see his bank roll,he makes tiny concessions ,
I don't ever answer these questions,I ask the questions

These are cold blooded hustlers who would like to steal my money
I am a working stiff ,I don't need the money or the action,they do

catch me if you can,I am the ginger bread man

also i was always probing for a way to direct them to another game,poker,golf,
hitting base balls,miniature golf, or even propositions
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Dean, with the utmost respect - if someone were to ask me those questions I'd at the least tell them to f off, maybe do more. I completely understand the mentality and agree but now a days someone asking those questions that u don't know is probably gonna make u a mark straight up. But hey what do I know, hence why I made my earlier statement
 
If you own a gun and/or carry one, worst thing you can do it tell ANYONE!
If people know you have a gun, you will never get a chance to use it.
They will shoot you first and then rob you.
If they don't know, you have a chance to give up the money, then take it back
or shoot first by surprise.
Good luck
 
Bigkat said:
Is neutralize your opponents STRONGEST game. For example, if you recognize that a 9 ball player is stronger than you are. The VERY FIRST things you say is "I don't play 9ball I wanna play 8ball" ✔ I know it sounds simple, but most matches are won or lost at the BEGINNING BY TAKING A BAD MATCH TO START WITH!!!!!!! Trust me I'm a former 1-5 Dime sports handicapper so I KNOW about matchups and evaluating all criteria. Pool is in my HEART. I grew up playing. Therefore, I KNOW money, matchups and pool. HAPPY SHOOTING EVERYONE!! Stay away from bad matchups!!
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9ball is for amateurs!
10 ball, straight pool or bank pool is where it's at.
Have you ever considered that your opponent might be great at 8ball too?
 
deanoc said:
I appreciate the remarks that were made to the effectif I asked these questions you would probably punch me in the nose or at least resist

Funny thing it ,that is exactly why i ask,. a person will either back off (saving me from playing with a rock,a broke or a hard case) exactly the type of guy that I don't want to play
or he will comply and qualify himself ,


It is used by the US ARMY

uUm wants you,if you qualify


I don't ask everyone the same questions or all the questions

Try this right up front"how much money are you interested in playing for?

If I agree to play how much are we talking about

If he says $1 or5 or 10,then I politely move on

Unfortunately in Dallas today that isall I see so I just play cheap pool
trying topass time waiting for real action

but in the 80s and 90s I played $100 to 500 and much more nearly every day

Here I was with no talent busting nearly everyone who would play,day in day out
getting huge spots

When anyone made a score they came to play me,Trying to run their match stick after the lumber yard,and when they got broke and people told them "why play that guy,he wins all the time

They would reply"i took a shot at the money

By the way,this is exactly what the banker does when you apply for a loan,he qualifies you.It is what any good salesman does ,He qualifies you,

It is referred to as "the corporate sale"



one wrong answer and they are gone
It is very powerful,it causes people to want to qualify
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I didn`t understand too much of that deanoc, but do you think a bank will give you a loan based on the "vibes" you put out?
They give you a loan based on your credit report and business plan.
 
The key to gambling is stay away from bad matchups.

True, but not as easy as you make it sound. Efren's best game is one pocket so I'll match up with him in 8 ball - I'm still going to be at a significant disadvantage. It's still a bad matchup.
 
Dead on the money!

deanoc said:
Once many years ago when i owned a small real estate company in Oak Cliff
one of the guys in my company knew a girl that he wanted me to take on a date
so he told me all I needed to do was call her and she was expecting the call and ready to go
So i called and it was still a bit awkward so i resorted to my business practice
so instead of my usual "you interestedin a free pizza and some loud music?"
I said to her"listen before we go any further I need you to send me your resume"
Now i was in control
You think it would turn her off,but no she had a sense of humor and a lot of snap
so she sent me a 2 page resume explaining her strengths and life experience
even what she expected out of life and more
What she didn't do was ask me to send my resume
Well out we went for a cheap meal,a trip to the library and a walk where i could get to know her
really a nice person in a lot of ways
ends up she is a kinda new age sort,semi liberal sort,not the kind i would want for the mother of any future children
but still a nice person
so i tell her,Ireally don't think we are meant for each other
she replies "but i could change"
you see she still wanted to qualify
But with a few questions i had discovered more than most people know after a year of failed marriage
so i just politely walked her to the door and thanked her for the time,complimented her on her fun resume and other
things which i sincerely admired and she asked "what can I do to change?"
Now this was really an unusual episode,but it impressed on my mind the power of
qualifying the prospect
Even pool players don't want rejection,if you act like you don'twant tp play
they chase you
I call fanning the flames of desire with the breeze of withdrawal
You might be getting the idea that I am playing to win money,i only want to take the cheese,I am trying to take the gamble out of the game
If you are getting that idea,you are thinking clearly now
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I have no idea how old you are, but you're a very wise man.
Especially when it comes to dealing with females (they're so used to calling the shots with their sexuality, and controlling lameass men, it absolutely flabbergasts them when they're disqualified). They've been saying 'beat it creep' since their mommies told them to do so when they were 12 years old. They'll go head over heels to get a guy into bed after they realize that he is not crawling like a puppy for them.
The same idea works when matching up in a pool gambling situation. Most pool players are desperate to make a score and be the big cannon. They may insult and call you a nit, but inwardly they're dying to play because in their brainwashed minds there is "just nobody as smart as they are". (that can be witnessed right here in this forum from some of the greats from the past and their BS lies, etc. etc. etc.)
You're going to get a lot of stuff from the know-it-alls around here, but mister....you're dead on the money with this one. Way to go!
 
Bigkat said:
Is neutralize your opponents STRONGEST game. For example, if you recognize that a 9 ball player is stronger than you are. The VERY FIRST things you say is "I don't play 9ball I wanna play 8ball" ✔ I know it sounds simple, but most matches are won or lost at the BEGINNING BY TAKING A BAD MATCH TO START WITH!!!!!!! Trust me I'm a former 1-5 Dime sports handicapper so I KNOW about matchups and evaluating all criteria. Pool is in my HEART. I grew up playing. Therefore, I KNOW money, matchups and pool. HAPPY SHOOTING EVERYONE!! Stay away from bad matchups!!
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The IMPORTANT this IS to ALWAYS make SURE every OTHER word IS capitalized, BECAUSE you SHOULD always ASSUME you're TALKING to a BUNCH of IDIOTS who DON'T pay ATTENTION.

Then YOU'LL be FINE.
 
9Ballr said:
The IMPORTANT this IS to ALWAYS make SURE every OTHER word IS capitalized, BECAUSE you SHOULD always ASSUME you're TALKING to a BUNCH of IDIOTS who DON'T pay ATTENTION.

Then YOU'LL be FINE.
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I didn't CATCH that. Could you please type it SLOWER?!?! :grin:
 
Fuji-whopper said:
Hint subtlety but noticeably that you have a firearm on your person, no need to show it to them or verbalize where or what kind of firearm it is....just make sure that they know you have one. From then on the match will almost definitely go in your favor no matter what the spot is, plus you never have to worry about getting stiffed or making it out of the pool hall/parking lot safely when you win. =)


Neil

Edit: I believe it was about 1996-1997 playing on the front tables at the old Hollywood Billiards, matched up with a 7/$50 9-ball game against Shorty who played pretty well and was the better player by a ball or so. I was losing 4-5 I think and really wanted to win so I was super focused on the match, so much so that I noticed that Shorty had a well worn outline on the rear pocket of his jeans...the outline of a revolver. Right about then my motivation and emotions kind of did a little hiccup so that winning all of a sudden wasn't at the top of the priority list, I was pretty sure he wasn't going to rob/kill me if I won but there was the smallest iota in the back of my head that was scared of exactly that happening.

Of course I waited till after I lost the set to ask him about the pistol in his pocket to which he explained that he sleeps in his car so he needs a way to protect himself and his property. Shorty was a very nice man and playing him was always a learning experience even though at 23-24 I was a really shitty student and couldn't recognize a lesson if it hit me in the face. So if you were wondering why I posted the above suggest THAT is why I posted what I posted, the firsthand knowledge about how a small thing like your opponent knowing that you have a firearm on your person, it changes things ever so slightly.
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Really? I know two men who were murdered by thugs because the thugs wanted to get their gun.
 
TIP: Gamble in a "comfortable" environment!! ✔ Whatever comfortable is to you. MAJOR KEY!!
 
alstl said:
The key to gambling is stay away from bad matchups.

True, but not as easy as you make it sound. Efren's best game is one pocket so I'll match up with him in 8 ball - I'm still going to be at a significant disadvantage. It's still a bad matchup.
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Odd... he's one of the best 8-ball players to have ever played the game. Why wouldn't you play something that he's not considered the best? Maybe like banks.

Freddie
 
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