💡💡Helpful Tips to the Gambler: The FIRST thing you do when matching up

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💡💡Helpful Tips to the Gambler: The FIRST thing you do when matching up

Is neutralize your opponents STRONGEST game. For example, if you recognize that a 9 ball player is stronger than you are. The VERY FIRST things you say is "I don't play 9ball I wanna play 8ball" ✔ I know it sounds simple, but most matches are won or lost at the BEGINNING BY TAKING A BAD MATCH TO START WITH!!!!!!! Trust me I'm a former 1-5 Dime sports handicapper so I KNOW about matchups and evaluating all criteria. Pool is in my HEART. I grew up playing. Therefore, I KNOW money, matchups and pool. HAPPY SHOOTING EVERYONE!! Stay away from bad matchups!!
 
Bigkat said:
Is neutralize your opponents STRONGEST game. For example, if you recognize that a 9 ball player is stronger than you are. The VERY FIRST things you say is "I don't play 9ball I wanna play 8ball" ✔ I know it sounds simple, but most matches are won or lost at the BEGINNING BY TAKING A BAD MATCH TO START WITH!!!!!!! Trust me I'm a former 1-5 Dime sports handicapper so I KNOW about matchups and evaluating all criteria. Pool is in my HEART. I grew up playing. Therefore, I KNOW money, matchups and pool. HAPPY SHOOTING EVERYONE!! Stay away from bad matchups!!
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did you play 1 or 2 shot foul in your youth

in which variant is the "chalk" more apt to get there and why?
 
Bigkat said:
Is neutralize your opponents STRONGEST game. For example, if you recognize that a 9 ball player is stronger than you are. The VERY FIRST things you say is "I don't play 9ball I wanna play 8ball" ✔ I know it sounds simple, but most matches are won or lost at the BEGINNING BY TAKING A BAD MATCH TO START WITH!!!!!!! Trust me I'm a former 1-5 Dime sports handicapper so I KNOW about matchups and evaluating all criteria. Pool is in my HEART. I grew up playing. Therefore, I KNOW money, matchups and pool. HAPPY SHOOTING EVERYONE!! Stay away from bad matchups!!
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The moment you make a post and say, "trust me" or " believe me," you've basicallly disrespected every reader on the forum. If you think for one second you have more information or experience at anything pool related, you're already coming into it wrong. You think of the ten thousand members here, you alone know about handicapping and matching up, because you've been playing all your life? Are you that short -sighted?

I don't have to trust or believe you. You don't have to trust or believe me.

Freddie <~~~ believe me
 
Cornerman said:
The moment you make a post and say, "trust me" or " believe me," you've basicallly disrespected every reader on the forum. If you think for one second you have more information or experience at anything pool related, you're already coming into it wrong. You think of the ten thousand members here, you alone know about handicapping and matching up, because you've been playing all your life? Are you that short -sighted?

I don't have to trust or believe you. You don't have to trust or believe me.

Freddie <~~~ believe me
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I have to agree with you about that " trust me "

However I think there is some truth to his post.

I used to pls laggers choice Napa league. The winner of the lag got to choose what game to play....8...9 or 10 ball.

The races would vary depending in each players handicap in that format.

One night after winning the lag I told my captain I was choosing to play 8 ball. He says wait a minute ...lets talk about this.

He says ...

8 ball its a 5-3 race with you going to 5

10 ball its a 4-3 race with you going to 4

9 ball its a 3-4 race with you going to 3

He says ...you should play 9 ball....i know you can be to 3 against him. I said the kid eats...sleeps and breaths 9 ball. He is always the first one here and the last to leave and practices nothing but 9 ball. My captain says yea but you gotta spot him 2 in 8 ball and he has only got to spot you one in 9 ball. I said I would rather play my best game and his worst game instead of playing his best game and my worst game.

He relented and I won 5-0 . Some times is best t go with your your strength no matter the spot.
 
I think the most useful tip for a gambler, is to grease the pockets with fried chicken greasy fingers. Helps the balls slide in....... but Ill bet you already knew that..... :thumbup:
 
So what if the '9 ball guy' plays better 8 ball than you do? You just sail on off??
Hustlin pool is people management. Every business sends its management
employees to schools to teach them to get their workers to do their jobs
the way they want them to.
Pool hustlin is pretty much the same thing.
Most games are won or lost before the flip.
The 'hard hustle' works once. The 'soft hustle' works many times for the same opponent.
Good luck. The OP needs it playin pool!
 
The first thing I consider if I plan to play anyting beyond a cheap practice game

in other words,if i am trying to win money is

i ask myself does the guy have any money and will he keep playing if he gets stuck

why should i play if the guy always quits when he gets a game or two behind

if a guy is known for losing it all when he loses,but he is a great player,
i still play with him

if he only plays tough games,but loses the whole thing when he loses,i play even if it is a tough game


An analogy at one pocket.if a guy has a ball about 2 feet from his hole but all the other balls
favor my hole and if he were to miss that shot he gets nothing else and loses the game if he misses

then i leavre him the shot,we used yo call it a gopher shot

He wins small and loses big


Same principle for matching up,why play with a rock who never loses when he does lose

Poker players refer to this as table image,everyone knows I play to win and match up tight
therefore when I do lose i never quit with 1 or two or 3 games lost because then i would
have trouble getting games


Enough from me,rthis title interest me but the particular response tend to stray from the title
I hope I haven't
 
deanoc said:
The first thing I consider if I plan to play anyting beyond a cheap practice game

in other words,if i am trying to win money is

i ask myself does the guy have any money and will he keep playing if he gets stuck

why should i play if the guy always quits when he gets a game or two behind

if a guy is known for losing it all when he loses,but he is a great player,
i still play with him

if he only plays tough games,but loses the whole thing when he loses,i play even if it is a tough game


An analogy at one pocket.if a guy has a ball about 2 feet from his hole but all the other balls
favor my hole and if he were to miss that shot he gets nothing else and loses the game if he misses

then i leavre him the shot,we used yo call it a gopher shot

He wins small and loses big


Same principle for matching up,why play with a rock who never loses when he does lose

Poker players refer to this as table image,everyone knows I play to win and match up tight
therefore when I do lose i never quit with 1 or two or 3 games lost because then i would
have trouble getting games


Enough from me,rthis title interest me but the particular response tend to stray from the title
I hope I haven't
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And we have a winner.
 
Gunn_Slinger said:
So what if the '9 ball guy' plays better 8 ball than you do? You just sail on off??
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I'm reminded of a story that George Rood told me. For those who have not heard of him, he played at about the speed of Mosconi and Lassiter but chose a different path in life. Anyway, when George was about 18, he beat a guy badly at pool and the guy wanted to play some other game. George played a little table tennis, so he suggested that, but the guy said, "No, you probably play that too well. Let's bet on who can swim across the lake fastest." George agreed to try some of that since he swam in the Olympic trials for 1936. Here is an article about him: http://www.sfbilliards.com/George_Rood_LotR.pdf
 
Bob Jewett said:
I'm reminded of a story that George Rood told me. For those who have not heard of him, he played at about the speed of Mosconi and Lassiter but chose a different path in life. Anyway, when George was about 18, he beat a guy badly at pool and the guy wanted to play some other game. George played a little table tennis, so he suggested that, but the guy said, "No, you probably play that too well. Let's bet on who can swim across the lake fastest." George agreed to try some of that since he swam in the Olympic trials for 1936. Here is an article about him: http://www.sfbilliards.com/George_Rood_LotR.pdf
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Thanks for that good read. First time I've ever heard his name.
 
Bigkat said:
Is neutralize your opponents STRONGEST game. For example, if you recognize that a 9 ball player is stronger than you are. The VERY FIRST things you say is "I don't play 9ball I wanna play 8ball" ✔ I know it sounds simple, but most matches are won or lost at the BEGINNING BY TAKING A BAD MATCH TO START WITH!!!!!!! Trust me I'm a former 1-5 Dime sports handicapper so I KNOW about matchups and evaluating all criteria. Pool is in my HEART. I grew up playing. Therefore, I KNOW money, matchups and pool. HAPPY SHOOTING EVERYONE!! Stay away from bad matchups!!
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Pool is in my heart, but... no 9 ball?! Whaaaaaaaaaa? If you're playing a known better player straight up, you've already made a bad match. He's probably better than you at 8-ball too, where there are more options to shoot at.

If you don't think you can beat the guy straight up in 9-ball, get him to spot you a ball, or a game. If that doesn't work out, then.... you'll have to figure out how to get some spittle in the chalk (unless he's also bigger than you...)
 
get or giving

This is nine ball I'm talking about, because that is my best game and can
handicap the best. If you are capable of giving big spots like 6.7.8. or more.
you know how to match up. It is harder to get the spot and win than give it,
if the one giving the spot can run out every time he gets a shot. The one getting
the spot is not used to going long periods with out a shot and it makes it double
hard when he does get a shot to play anywhere near his normal speed. I watched
Dick Lane spot a player that could run 30 35 balls playing straight pool, his 150
to Dicks 150 no count. Dick slaughtered him and then changed the game to Dick
had to 150 no count TWICE. Dick still won. The guy was so cold after sitting for
ever in between shots that he was totally helpless when he did get a shot that he
couldn't make a ball. i know this is not 9 ball but iit is the same principle.So I
say get more than what you think you need, or give a little more than you think you can
To me it is and always has been that the best pool playing gambler is the one that can
play his speed no matter who he plays. This is a rare breed outside of champions.
The guy that wins when he's supposed to win is the one to bet on
jack
 
deanoc said:
The first thing I consider if I plan to play anyting beyond a cheap practice game

in other words,if i am trying to win money is

i ask myself does the guy have any money and will he keep playing if he gets stuck

why should i play if the guy always quits when he gets a game or two behind

if a guy is known for losing it all when he loses,but he is a great player,
i still play with him

if he only plays tough games,but loses the whole thing when he loses,i play even if it is a tough game


An analogy at one pocket.if a guy has a ball about 2 feet from his hole but all the other balls
favor my hole and if he were to miss that shot he gets nothing else and loses the game if he misses

then i leavre him the shot,we used yo call it a gopher shot

He wins small and loses big

Same principle for matching up,why play with a rock who never loses when he does lose

Poker players refer to this as table image,everyone knows I play to win and match up tight
therefore when I do lose i never quit with 1 or two or 3 games lost because then i would
have trouble getting games

Enough from me,rthis title interest me but the particular response tend to stray from the title
I hope I haven't
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Figured this out when I was just a pup and going to the track once in a while.

When all I had was $50 in my pocket and I would go to the track I'd figure that I may get lucky and hit an exacta or two for a "score" of a few hundred, maybe a tho, which were pretty good odds when I only had $50 to lose. Got lucky a few times and didn't do too bad overall.

But, a few years later when I had ten or twenty thousand laying in the bank my thinking changed. I realized that I wasn't ever walking away from the Big A with $100k-200K of their money, yet, it was possible that I can go "off" and lose my twenty K. The odds didn't work in my favor any longer....and I took the cue and stopped gambling at the track completely.

Currently trade the markets using options and include the same financial reasoning when making a trade. Risk/reward, returns vs losses.
 
Surprised no one has said this yet. IMO, aside from the initial match up - I think the most important thing is getting out in front first. Whether by the game or set make them be the ones chasing and it truly is a huge advantage most times!
 
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