These "AHEAD" pool gambling races are utter nonsense!!

[HawaiianEye]

Most people who gamble play by the game

then you can quit when you get so far ahead or behind

the problem has always been,certain people quit when they get just a game or so loser
to prevent this from happening it was usueful to play X games ahead or frezze out
as we called it

To quit ahead took on a nasty image and resulted in hard feelings or fights
but to continue to play when you get tired or discover the opponent is so
short of money is stupid

sets are primarily for races in tournaments or spectator events
with artificial time restraints

If I were to play a person like lou,i would want to know i could win something
so i would like to freeze the stakes

If i felt like i was the better player,I would prefer to play 10 ahead

or if I liked the comfort of knowing i would have time to settle down and
ride out a bad break or two

On the other hand if i were to play a player with a record of succoring
to jitters or pressure,I might like to play a short race to take advantage of
his tendency to dog it

If i played John,i would be happy just to get him to play,he bets high,he doesn't quit when he gets stuck

he doesn't complain if I need to quit, in other words John is the perfect person to play


If I were Joihn ,I would require my oppnent to post a large amount,and require him to stick with the game by playing a long set,I would recognize the fact that I need time to settle in and therefore I would want to play 6 to 10 ahead

It seems to me thar these are the basic fundamentals of gambling

i would cover these with most of you Az fellas with limited real gambling experience

I call these the YELLOW SNOW basics

you teach your children "Never eat yellow snow"

An example i would tell John
There is only one reason to play pool for money
and that is to win money

Never get involved for personal reasons such as revenge,hate or
ego

I'm buying you dinner if you ever come to Hawaii.

You think like I do.

In my experiences, the best player usually wins the longer sets and the "ahead" games. They may win the "shorter sets", too, but there is less chance for the "underdogs" to win when the number of games are extended.

Back in the day, I would play for hours and hours, and days, if I thought I could beat someone...they would usually quit before I ever did. I always made sure I knew how much I was willing to lose, estimated how much I thought they would lose, and then made the game based upon numbers and percentages. In the long sessions, I came out on top way, way, way more times than I ever lost. When I got ahead, I usually would start steamrolling them and eventually win by a large margin of games. Short sets for large sums are for people who like to flip coins, unless you are playing Stevie Wonder.

 

[JoeyInCali]

I'm buying you dinner if you ever come to Hawaii.

You think like I do.

In my experiences, the best player usually wins the longer sets and the "ahead" games. They may win the "shorter sets", too, but there is less chance for the "underdogs" to win when the number of games are extended.

Back in the day, I would play for hours and hours, and days, if I thought I could beat someone...they would usually quit before I ever did. I always made sure I knew how much I was willing to lose, estimated how much I thought they would lose, and then made the game based upon numbers and percentages. In the long sessions, I came out on top way, way, way more times than I ever lost. When I got ahead, I usually would start steamrolling them and eventually win by a large margin of games. Short sets for large sums are for people who like to flip coins, unless you are playing Stevie Wonder.

How do you prevent one guy from going to the bathroom and shooting some speed or something?
I remember this ahead match one time. One guy's backer openly gave his man some pills BEFORE it even got started .
That player died a few years ago. Did not even reach 10.
He OD'd in his apartment.

Those ahead matches were sure good for business. For the pool halls and medicine dealers.
Some of those 90's great players who liked playing them have twitches and OCD now.

 

[HawaiianEye]

How do you prevent one guy from going to the bathroom and shooting some speed or something?
I remember this ahead match one time. One guy's backer openly gave his man some pills BEFORE it even got started .
That player died a few years ago. Did not even reach 10.
He OD'd in his apartment.

Those ahead matches were sure good for business. For the pool halls and medicine dealers.
Some of those 90's great players who liked playing them have twitches and OCD now.

There is no way to prevent anybody from taking anything. I didn't take anything...the game kept me going.

Back when I was growing up in the pool hall, probably half, or more, of the gamblers were taking something and drinking at the same time. This wasn't only for pool players, this was for gamblers of any game...dice, cards, etc.

The owner of the pool hall would ALWAYS get him what he called a dose of "aiming oil" before he ever started playing pool for any serious amount of money. His "aiming oil" was Seagram's VO and Coca Cola. He would NEVER drink Coke unless it was with his "aiming oil"...he was strictly a Pepsi man, otherwise.

 

[Island Drive]

WOW...

I respect your opinion but don't agree with it. Ahead races are just another way to gamble and remove any luck.

I can't believe all the haters that have ripped the OP.

He is entitled to his opinion....sort of reminds of some the political forums visited recently

Since the presidents ''fly over'' of Katrina....and the actions/reactions/lack of action/of congress who represents the people, the people have been groomed in youth, who are now grown up, to react just like the political soup that goes nowhere.

Right now:
Listening to Neil Young....sure sounds great. I'm so lucky to of grown up during the sixties/seventies. So much peace and love was ''bourne'' out of WWII ending. It's sad now, few know how to act, when they can hide behind a keyboard, or believe false news. If you all think it's bad, every nuclear reactor eventually fails in ''time''.

 

[Black-Balled]

That comment was direct towards Marc

Huh? I was able to respond...hmmph.

My point was that it nearly always impossible to disprove a negative.

 

[one stroke]

In the old old days they played LONG series to determine who would be the clear winner. 1500 points in straight pool. World Championships contested for months in several cities.....

Pool is a sport where people can make their own decisions as to what set length is enough to determine who the better player is. Pool players know that the shorter the set is the more chance that they can lose to a couple bad rolls. The general consensus is that the longer the session the better the chance that the rolls won't decide the set.

Kind of like how a good poker player knows that the longer he plays the more chance he has to outrun the bad beats. I have won small $20 buy in poker tournaments and I literally know nothing about poker other than it's a card game. Yet I have never won any sit down session against real players.

In fact, poker is the ultimate "ahead" set if you will because your opponents can keep on playing as long as they have money.

And yeah, there is no real "big" money in pool but the fact is that in pool you're never going to beat a better player in a long ahead set by taking down some big pots or hitting the nuts on the river. That's the major difference. Pool players may be poor but they own a skill that takes tremendous amount of work to achieve. And when they win they know they did it not through luck but through staying cool under pressure to be able to control the balls. In any other universe pool players would be rewarded accordingly for the level of skill they have to bring to bear to win at the highest levels.

But in this one they get shit on by the fact that games like poker have millions of dead money players who all think that the can win the world series if they just have a good run. And the fact is that some of them do which keeps them going. It is what is is and all we have is the satisfaction that comes from knowing that to beat a top player you have to truly earn it. You can take a million dollars and go up against Phil Ivey and put him all in in the first hand on a bluff, get called and still get the nuts on the river and win. But you can't take a million dollars and play SVB even in a race to 100 or 10 ahead and expect to win.

Well the fact is the element of luck is available at any time in cards and they change tables and it always exists even late
Shane raceing to 100 far exceeds elements of luck it turns into a battle of endurance where the less fit can keep up the level of play has zero to do then with skill level kick that shit out the door door it's the survival of the fittest at that point period it's not a battle at that point of the best player

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