I agree 100%. No other country gambles in pool with these marathon formats.
These "AHEAD" pool gambling races are utter nonsense!!
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We rank 14th in education so obviously we not the smartest of the bunch or maybe we just play dumb I'll choose the ladder
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Which countries are you familiar with?
My guess would be all but one , then again I slept at a Red Roof last night my thinking might be off a nail or 2
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This above statement, speaks for itself. Having played many 12-16 hour matches, luck and table rolls will have no say when it really comes down to it, it's a great blood test. Plus, there is no other way to ''really'' get in stroke and get allot better quicker than locking horns and going at it. In my youth at Johnson City I over heard Lassiter say to a client $$. I'll play, but after 16 hours I must leave, get my sleep and we can continue. When you truly know your better than another, this is the test for both sides. Risking your bank roll on a few sets, doesn't teach yourself as quickly as to where your weakness's are in your game. The long haul exposes what you need to work on to get better.
Even in the 5k meters or some extreme distance its ALREADY CAPPED! Lol you don't race til you are say "200 yards in front"It's whoever is in front by whatever distance at the end of 5k meters!!
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It's whoever is in front by whatever distance at the end of 5k meters!! 
Velodrome racing, road biking, endurance running and swimming all have races that or records that are "x" time and not distance....1hr, 12,24 hr records.
Some sports have games you have to win by 2.....street basketball is played like that often. I think ping pong and volleyball too if I'm not mistaken.
You also have those sports or age groups in sports where they have a "you got spanked cutoff"
Like the 10 run rule in youth baseball etc.
If two players agree on the match....who cares.
Tho the ahead set idea is just to negate any luck or slop imop....you may get lucky in short races.....but ten games ahead of someone in most of our games in pool, except maybe 3 ball lol is quite the ass whooping and I'd say decently definitive. Rolls won't get you ahead like that.
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Agree with this. Ahead sets are the best way to determine the BETTER player.
Not just someone sqeaking by with one more win.
The longer the match, the more likely the rolls will even out and the better player will win. "Ahead" tends to make the matches longer.
One of the longest matches recently was the Earl/Efren "Color of Money" match in Hong Kong. I think Earl had the largest lead (15?) in the race to 120 but Efren got to 120 first.
In the old old days they played LONG series to determine who would be the clear winner. 1500 points in straight pool. World Championships contested for months in several cities.....
Pool is a sport where people can make their own decisions as to what set length is enough to determine who the better player is. Pool players know that the shorter the set is the more chance that they can lose to a couple bad rolls. The general consensus is that the longer the session the better the chance that the rolls won't decide the set.
Kind of like how a good poker player knows that the longer he plays the more chance he has to outrun the bad beats. I have won small $20 buy in poker tournaments and I literally know nothing about poker other than it's a card game. Yet I have never won any sit down session against real players.
In fact, poker is the ultimate "ahead" set if you will because your opponents can keep on playing as long as they have money.
And yeah, there is no real "big" money in pool but the fact is that in pool you're never going to beat a better player in a long ahead set by taking down some big pots or hitting the nuts on the river. That's the major difference. Pool players may be poor but they own a skill that takes tremendous amount of work to achieve. And when they win they know they did it not through luck but through staying cool under pressure to be able to control the balls. In any other universe pool players would be rewarded accordingly for the level of skill they have to bring to bear to win at the highest levels.
But in this one they get shit on by the fact that games like poker have millions of dead money players who all think that the can win the world series if they just have a good run. And the fact is that some of them do which keeps them going. It is what is is and all we have is the satisfaction that comes from knowing that to beat a top player you have to truly earn it. You can take a million dollars and go up against Phil Ivey and put him all in in the first hand on a bluff, get called and still get the nuts on the river and win. But you can't take a million dollars and play SVB even in a race to 100 or 10 ahead and expect to win.
Pool is a sport where people can make their own decisions as to what set length is enough to determine who the better player is. Pool players know that the shorter the set is the more chance that they can lose to a couple bad rolls. The general consensus is that the longer the session the better the chance that the rolls won't decide the set.
Kind of like how a good poker player knows that the longer he plays the more chance he has to outrun the bad beats. I have won small $20 buy in poker tournaments and I literally know nothing about poker other than it's a card game. Yet I have never won any sit down session against real players.
In fact, poker is the ultimate "ahead" set if you will because your opponents can keep on playing as long as they have money.
And yeah, there is no real "big" money in pool but the fact is that in pool you're never going to beat a better player in a long ahead set by taking down some big pots or hitting the nuts on the river. That's the major difference. Pool players may be poor but they own a skill that takes tremendous amount of work to achieve. And when they win they know they did it not through luck but through staying cool under pressure to be able to control the balls. In any other universe pool players would be rewarded accordingly for the level of skill they have to bring to bear to win at the highest levels.
But in this one they get shit on by the fact that games like poker have millions of dead money players who all think that the can win the world series if they just have a good run. And the fact is that some of them do which keeps them going. It is what is is and all we have is the satisfaction that comes from knowing that to beat a top player you have to truly earn it. You can take a million dollars and go up against Phil Ivey and put him all in in the first hand on a bluff, get called and still get the nuts on the river and win. But you can't take a million dollars and play SVB even in a race to 100 or 10 ahead and expect to win.
Most people who gamble play by the game
then you can quit when you get so far ahead or behind
the problem has always been,certain people quit when they get just a game or so loser
to prevent this from happening it was usueful to play X games ahead or frezze out
as we called it
To quit ahead took on a nasty image and resulted in hard feelings or fights
but to continue to play when you get tired or discover the opponent is so
short of money is stupid
sets are primarily for races in tournaments or spectator events
with artificial time restraints
If I were to play a person like lou,i would want to know i could win something
so i would like to freeze the stakes
If i felt like i was the better player,I would prefer to play 10 ahead
or if I liked the comfort of knowing i would have time to settle down and
ride out a bad break or two
On the other hand if i were to play a player with a record of succoring
to jitters or pressure,I might like to play a short race to take advantage of
his tendency to dog it
If i played John,i would be happy just to get him to play,he bets high,he doesn't quit when he gets stuck
he doesn't complain if I need to quit, in other words John is the perfect person to play
If I were Joihn ,I would require my oppnent to post a large amount,and require him to stick with the game by playing a long set,I would recognize the fact that I need time to settle in and therefore I would want to play 6 to 10 ahead
It seems to me thar these are the basic fundamentals of gambling
i would cover these with most of you Az fellas with limited real gambling experience
I call these the YELLOW SNOW basics
you teach your children "Never eat yellow snow"
An example i would tell John
There is only one reason to play pool for money
and that is to win money
Never get involved for personal reasons such as revenge,hate or
ego
then you can quit when you get so far ahead or behind
the problem has always been,certain people quit when they get just a game or so loser
to prevent this from happening it was usueful to play X games ahead or frezze out
as we called it
To quit ahead took on a nasty image and resulted in hard feelings or fights
but to continue to play when you get tired or discover the opponent is so
short of money is stupid
sets are primarily for races in tournaments or spectator events
with artificial time restraints
If I were to play a person like lou,i would want to know i could win something
so i would like to freeze the stakes
If i felt like i was the better player,I would prefer to play 10 ahead
or if I liked the comfort of knowing i would have time to settle down and
ride out a bad break or two
On the other hand if i were to play a player with a record of succoring
to jitters or pressure,I might like to play a short race to take advantage of
his tendency to dog it
If i played John,i would be happy just to get him to play,he bets high,he doesn't quit when he gets stuck
he doesn't complain if I need to quit, in other words John is the perfect person to play
If I were Joihn ,I would require my oppnent to post a large amount,and require him to stick with the game by playing a long set,I would recognize the fact that I need time to settle in and therefore I would want to play 6 to 10 ahead
It seems to me thar these are the basic fundamentals of gambling
i would cover these with most of you Az fellas with limited real gambling experience
I call these the YELLOW SNOW basics
you teach your children "Never eat yellow snow"
An example i would tell John
There is only one reason to play pool for money
and that is to win money
Never get involved for personal reasons such as revenge,hate or
ego
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Prove it....................
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That comment was direct towards Marc
As always you have the right zen for the situation.
I'm not sure how what other countries do helps your case.
However, if it casts light on the situation for you....many world snooker championships
were decided by a race to 37 finals....that's FULL rack snooker.
Actually there have been many long matches in other countries.
Most famously the $150,000 race to 120 between Earl Strickland and Efren Reyes in Hong Kong.
WOW...
I respect your opinion but don't agree with it. Ahead races are just another way to gamble and remove any luck.
I can't believe all the haters that have ripped the OP.
He is entitled to his opinion....sort of reminds of some the political forums visited recently
I respect your opinion but don't agree with it. Ahead races are just another way to gamble and remove any luck.
I can't believe all the haters that have ripped the OP.
He is entitled to his opinion....sort of reminds of some the political forums visited recently