Siming Chen

[PocketSpeed11]

Well, according to fargo alone theres 40+ men that play better, way to go out on a limb here. What I wouldnt give to be in the top 50 on Fargo, but that means nothing to some of you, cause you are all in the top 10......from the keyboard anyway.

Jason

Don't get upset just because he offended your politically correct sensibilities.

 

[jay helfert]

Jay,

With all due respect. Please. Just stop.

The reason the best male pool players will always be favored against the best female pool players has absolutely nothing to do with physical strength.

And for exactly that reason there are women today already pushing the envelope in Pool, more so than has been the case in the past. The best women players are already a pretty good match for ANYBODY in a tournament setting, with normal length races. I don't care who you're talking about, they better get up there and play if they are matched up against one of the top women. I saw what Karen did to Ko at the U.S. Open two years ago.....DESTROYED him! She took on a pretty strong field (128 players) at Turning Stone and went to the finals! And what I'm saying is that there are a dozen or more women right now in Asia who play as good or better than Karen.

The second level pros in this country are NOT favorites over these women in a tournament setting. It's a toss up at best. I can see where I will make some money in the future, off all the guys who think a player like Siming can't beat a good man player in a tournament match. PLEASE keep thinking exactly what you're thinking now!

 

[jasonlaus]

Don't get upset just because he offended your politically correct sensibilities.

You must have me confused with somebody else.

The difference is, I WILL bet if she ever gets here. Why don't we start at #500 on fargo amd work our way to, say #50 since she is such a dog against all these guys.
Jason.

If you think you can make more, we can start at #1,000, since surely they can beat her in your opinion

 

[BeiberLvr]

We are not talking about the best against the best , we were talking Sky and anyone Shuff speed , I said Sky doesn't have to like it in a shorter race Rea thinks it's even based on Fargo I'm not all in there but down to Shuff's Fargo rate that's a whole different matter ,

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Of course in a short race, she can beat (probably) anyone in the world.

 

[BeiberLvr]

And for exactly that reason there are women today already pushing the envelope in Pool, more so than has been the case in the past. The best women players are already a pretty good match for ANYBODY in a tournament setting, with normal length races. I don't care who you're talking about, they better get up there and play if they are matched up against one of the top women. I saw what Karen did to Ko at the U.S. Open two years ago.....DESTROYED him! She took on a pretty strong field (128 players) at Turning Stone and went to the finals! And what I'm saying is that there are a dozen or more women right now in Asia who play as good or better than Karen.

The second level pros in this country are NOT favorites over these women in a tournament setting. It's a toss up at best. I can see where I will make some money in the future, off all the guys who think a player like Siming can't beat a good man player in a tournament match. PLEASE keep thinking exactly what you're thinking now!

I don't think you understand the debate.

No one (to my knowledge) is saying a woman can't beat a man in a tournament.

I remember the Karen/Ko match, and it was definitely an upset. If they played the same format, under the same conditions, everyday for the rest of your life.

Who would your money be on? Be honest.

 

[garczar]

Here is an example of one of many kinds of connections that go into it.

Look at Vivian Villarreal, rated 675

In the past three years, she has played both men and women. The top 3 men she played were Oscar, Mitch Ellerman, and Max Eberle, average rating of 751.

Of the 35 games against these 3, she won 15 and lost 20

She also played 3 of the top 10 women (5 matches)

Xiao-Fang Fu, Ga-Young Kim, and Chieh-Yu Chao have an average rating of 761, a little over the guys.

Against these 3, Vivian won 19 and lost 49. They pretty much dominate her.
This is not that much data, but other similar comparisons reinforce it.

Vivian has been a pr story her whole career. All that Tornado/Hurricane wtf'ever they call her. Even in her so-called prime she was just a short-stop. I remember one of the first times A. Fisher played her. What a joke. Never been overly impressed with VV's game.

 

[Nostroke]

I don't think you understand the debate.

No one (to my knowledge) is saying a woman can't beat a man in a tournament.

I remember the Karen/Ko match, and it was definitely an upset. If they played the same format, under the same conditions, everyday for the rest of your life.

Who would your money be on? Be honest.

Fargo says bet on KO

 

[BeiberLvr]

Fargo says bet on KO

Common sense says bet on KO

 

[one stroke]

Anything else you want to make it "fair" ? What day and what time does it have to be played? Can she get used to the time change, or does she have to play as soon as she lands? Does the humidity have to be at a certain level????

Believe it or not, both sides are the bettors, unless you pay if you lose, and get nothing if you win.
Jason<----thinks somebody^^^^^ is rabid

Real easy to blow smoke when you know it ain't happening


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[Rhea]

Vivian has been a pr story her whole career. All that Tornado/Hurricane wtf'ever they call her. Even in her so-called prime she was just a short-stop. I remember one of the first times A. Fisher played her. What a joke. Never been overly impressed with VV's game.

Vivian Villareal isnt even a 700 player, no female in the USA is over 685 at the moment, I think its comparing apples to oranges to compare Vivian Villareal to Siming Chen, Siming is over 100 more FargoRate higher than Vivian, and Siming Chen can flat out play period.

 

[easy-e]

Real easy to blow smoke when you know it ain't happening


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If you look at this thread objectively, isn't everyone blowing smoke? Sky and this chick aren't going to play a long set, so we're all kind of guessing.

 

[one stroke]

Of course in a short race, she can beat (probably) anyone in the world.

And a race to 100 is a race that takes more than just skill it takes endurance of mind and body ,, race to 25 offers a little of both and will bare out the best player more times than not


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[Nostroke]

Common sense says bet on KO

Definitely. It's just good to have Fargo confirm it.

 

[GideonF]

Vivian Villareal isnt even a 700 player, no female in the USA is over 685 at the moment, I think its comparing apples to oranges to compare Vivian Villareal to Siming Chen, Siming is over 100 more FargoRate higher than Vivian, and Siming Chen can flat out play period.

Karen isn't over 685?


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[Rhea]

Karen isn't over 685?


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Karen is a 729 at most, and she represents IRL not USA on fargorate

 

[mikepage]

[...]Never been overly impressed with VV's game.

My point is not about Vivian's game. My point is about comparing, say, Oscar's game to Siming's game --when they've never played. They both beat Vivian. And if they both tend to beat Vivian by a similar margin, that is evidence they play at a similar level. That's a weak link. But there are a lot of these weak links. Here are a few other common opponents for those two.

 

[GideonF]

Karen is a 729 at most, and she represents IRL not USA on fargorate

Okay, but you said no female in the US - which she clearly is. If you meant no American woman, I could understand. Perhaps I'm splitting hairs.


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[Rhea]

Okay, but you said no female in the US - which she clearly is. If you meant no American woman, I could understand. Perhaps I'm splitting hairs.


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I'm not going to argue about this, FargoRate does not consider Karen or Allison to represent USA.

If all you had to do is come live here then Siming Chen could do that too and be the best female in the USA. Actually if Siming Chen moved to any country on earth, she would be the best famale in that country.

 

[GideonF]

I'm not going to argue about this, FargoRate does not consider Karen or Allison to represent USA.



If all you had to do is come live here then Siming Chen could do that too and be the best female in the USA. Actually if Siming Chen moved to any country on earth, she would be the best famale in that country.

All I'm suggesting is that you use the American female rather that "female in the USA". The first term is clear, the second is either unclear or wrong. Just like it would be wrong to exclude Jayson or Darren from a sentence talking about "best male players in the USA". They live there full time!


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[decent dennis]

Anything else you want to make it "fair" ? What day and what time does it have to be played? Can she get used to the time change, or does she have to play as soon as she lands? Does the humidity have to be at a certain level????

Believe it or not, both sides are the bettors, unless you pay if you lose, and get nothing if you win.
Jason<----thinks somebody^^^^^ is rabid

Apparently you missed the john barton class on negotiations.