Siming Chen

I don't think you understand the debate.

No one (to my knowledge) is saying a woman can't beat a man in a tournament.

I remember the Karen/Ko match, and it was definitely an upset. If they played the same format, under the same conditions, everyday for the rest of your life.

Who would your money be on? Be honest.

You're right, I just don't understand this debate. I really think you should get on the GAL so you can bet on matches. That would be a lot of fun for you since you know so much about how players match up. And you could make a lot of money too. Believe me, there are a lot of uninformed people like me betting on there every day! :thumbup:
 
Who would put up traveling and lodging money to travel to the US or Asia for these proposals??
 
Jay, do you think Siming now is better than Jean, Allison, and Karen, in their respective primes?

Looking at the Fargolist, its clear the top women are all from China, and are head and shoulders above the other women. One point about that, is us here in the USA, probably have very little exposure to their play. We know how Skylar plays, because we've been following him since he was 16, and seen him play at DCC and every other tournament. The Chinese women, we simply have not had much exposure to them. There could "hypothetically" be one better than Shane, and unless we saw it with our own eyes, day in day out, we'd never believe it.
 
Apparently you missed the john barton class on negotiations.

lol... I help the $$ for his match with Lou F.

Here is my email string. Let's just say you guys only saw the top of the iceberg
 

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I would love to see the women's Fargo Ratings broken down by game type. My hunch is their big table 9 ball ratings are higher than the other disciples.
 
Would John Schmidt play Chen? His fargo is 743. I understand pool isnt his top priority, so hes not in peak form.
 
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Who would put up traveling and lodging money to travel to the US or Asia for these proposals??

She can stay at my house with breakfast in bed every morning. Of course, she will have to wrestle the toast from the wife, but hey, it's still FREE :)
 
Siming Chen has went up to 783 on FargoRate as of today. There are now only 3 American players that are rated higher than her, SVB, Mike Dechaine, and Justin Bergman. On the world list she is now 5 spots above Skylar Woodward.
 
Siming Chen has went up to 783 on FargoRate as of today. There are now only 3 American players that are rated higher than her, SVB, Mike Dechaine, and Justin Bergman. On the world list she is now 5 spots above Skylar Woodward.

Is there any way for Mike page to run a special Fargo number crunch and just calculate Chen rating with only male opponents?
I understand he did that for Karen corr and it didn't change that much, but at least that number is a true position of where she would be rated if only playing men.
 
At the rate shes improving she will be the only woman in the world ever to be in the 800 club over the next few years
 
At the rate shes improving she will be the only woman in the world ever to be in the 800 club over the next few years

I'm pretty sure she wont be the last one, as Han Yu and Chezka both show promise too
 
Is there any way for Mike page to run a special Fargo number crunch and just calculate Chen rating with only male opponents?
I understand he did that for Karen corr and it didn't change that much, but at least that number is a true position of where she would be rated if only playing men.

We have no games for her against male opponents.
 
Jay is saying that the best women players are coming out of China. I don't dispute this notion. What I will say, is it an even playing field?

My understanding is the Nationalist Chinese in Taiwan subsidize pool. I don't know if the People's Republic does but I'm inclined to think they do.

Many of the men in the second tier of pool players in the US are amateur players in reality. They may be defined pro players but they can't support themselves playing pool.

Its like when the Soviet Union in days gone past called their athletes amateurs when in point of fact they were not.

If Karen Kor defeated Ko in a single race what is relevant is where she finished in the over all tournament. How did Karen finish in that US Open? I frankly don't know.

For those folks that play Nine Ball, a single set means nothing.

I don't know anything about Fargo ratings. I've heard from folks that I respect for over 25 years that women would play on par with men in pool.

I've often disagreed with this notion. The fact is, the simple idea there's a women's tour defines the need for it.

If you can't finish in the top money pool does not pencil at all in the US. On a uni-sex tour I would posit that the women would be locked out of the money.

In 2008 I was at Derby City, not playing in the tournament but just hanging out having a blast.

I was having some beers with some friends from Los Angeles that I play pool with and know very well.

One of these cats was telling me that women were the equal of men in the pool world, end of story.

I paused for a moment and said to him that if you give them testosterone injections your theory may become more of a reality.

My buddy got very upset with my answer it violated all his notions of political correctness.

I have taken a lesson with a world champion male player and frankly he hit balls unlike any female I've ever seen play the game.

I know what I am manifesting is not fashionable but it's just my humble opinion.
 
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Jay is saying that the best women players are coming out of China. I don't dispute this notion. What I will say, is it an even playing field?

My understanding is the Nationalist Chinese in Taiwan subsidize pool. I don't know if the People's Republic does but I'm inclined to think they do.

Many of the men in the second tier of pool players in the US are amateur players in reality. They may be defined pro players but they can't support themselves playing pool.

Its like when the Soviet Union in days gone past called their athletes amateurs when in point of fact they were not.

If Karen Kor defeated Ko in a single race what is relevant is where she finished in the over all tournament. How did Karen finish in that US Open? I frankly don't know.

For those folks that play Nine Ball, a single set means nothing.

I don't know anything about Fargo ratings. I've heard from folks that I respect for over 25 years that women would play on par with men in pool.

I've often disagreed with this notion. The fact is, the simple notion there's a women's tour defines the need for it.

If you can't finish in the top money pool does not pencil at all in the US. On a uni-sex tour I would posit that the women would be locked out of the money.

In 2008 I was at Derby City, not playing in the tournament but just hanging out having a blast.

I was having some beers with some friends from Los Angeles that I play pool with and know very well.

One of these cats was telling me that women were the equal of men in the pool world, end of story.

I paused for a moment and said to him that if you give them testosterone injections your theory may become more of a reality.

My buddy got very upset with my answer it violated all his notions of political correctness.

I have taken a lesson with a world champion male player and frankly he hit balls unlike any female I've ever seen play the game.

I know what I am manifesting is not fashionable but it's just my humble opinion.

Maybe you should know that women can finish VERY high even in world-class man field,probably the best example is Jasmin Ouschan finishing 3rd in World 14-1 Championships back when WPA gave its aproval for that tournament being World Championships. Jasmin just smoked LOTS of man champions en route to semifinals ;)
 
Maybe it's because I look at things logically, but how exactly do men have an advantage over women in a game where the only big difference is the power being generated to break the balls apart?

Unless I'm unaware of something else that is not there.
 
Maybe you should know that women can finish VERY high even in world-class man field,probably the best example is Jasmin Ouschan finishing 3rd in World 14-1 Championships back when WPA gave its aproval for that tournament being World Championships. Jasmin just smoked LOTS of man champions en route to semifinals ;)

Ok then what happened? Sounds like an outlier.
 
Maybe it's because I look at things logically, but how exactly do men have an advantage over women in a game where the only big difference is the power being generated to break the balls apart?

Unless I'm unaware of something else that is not there.

You can ask Allison Fisher, she had an answer to that. I mean, she was by far the best woman pool player on the planet for a decade or more. She had her opinion only, but it was pretty reasonable. She took no offense that she was the best womens player and had no intention of playing with the men and maybe being in the top 50. She'd starve, and she knew that. She's still one of my all-time favorite players. I don't care that she doesn't beat the top male players. And, it appears, she doesn't care either ;)
 
... If Karen Kor defeated Ko in a single race what is relevant is where she finished in the over all tournament. How did Karen finish in that US Open? I frankly don't know. ...

2015 US Open 9-Ball

Karen Corr -- W, W, L, L, = 33rd/48th, $2,000

Ko Pin-Yi -- L, W, W, L = 49th/64th, $0
 
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Wouldn't it be better if we just got rid of the women's tournaments and just have one tournament? I agree women are getting better in the sport and can challenge the men. So why not end the debate and just make the women play along with the men? Wouldn't it be proof if they competed and placed as well as their ratings? Or is the rating system biased or incomplete (much like poll numbers) and misleading? Getting rid of the women's tournament should settle the gender debate. I know this suggestion might upset some, but its only a logical suggestion to help prove one way or another.
 
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