What is your PSR?

[Dan White]

When you look around and don't know who the sucker is in the game reminds me of you., Everybidy here understands your gaps but you. The sad part about it that a couple of them have played you like fiddle.

Stan Shuffett

Please mind the forum rules, Stan:

From Mike Howerton:

OK, apparently this needs to be said again. I do not want to see anyone bashing another aiming system in any way.

If you have a positive experience with an aiming system, then feel free to post it. If you want to discuss the merits of an aiming system, then feel free. But for now, I don't want any comparisons as we all know that will just turn into bashing.

It is amazing to me that we have more reported posts about aiming systems than we do about politics.

This is going to be handled like baseball.

First offense will be a two week vacation.
Second offense will be a month.
Third will be a year.

 

[Bobkitty]

When you look around and don't know who the sucker is in the game reminds me of you., Everybidy here understands your gaps but you. The sad part about it that a couple of them have played you like fiddle.

Stan Shuffett

I'd be wondering if you've had your system put through the test? I know just the fellow that can do it... but you would not give him a call. All product manufactures do this to see if their product can withstand a blow. I think you've been a pool player for a long long time and you know what it takes to pocket the balls with or without "a system". I don't think you want the true test..

 

[cookie man]

I'd be wondering if you've had your system put through the test? I know just the fellow that can do it... but you would not give him a call. All product manufactures do this to see if their product can withstand a blow. I think you've been a pool player for a long long time and you know what it takes to pocket the balls with or without "a system".

It's passed every test available

 

[cookie man]

Please mind the forum rules, Stan:

From Mike Howerton:

OK, apparently this needs to be said again. I do not want to see anyone bashing another aiming system in any way.

If you have a positive experience with an aiming system, then feel free to post it. If you want to discuss the merits of an aiming system, then feel free. But for now, I don't want any comparisons as we all know that will just turn into bashing.

It is amazing to me that we have more reported posts about aiming systems than we do about politics.

This is going to be handled like baseball.

First offense will be a two week vacation.
Second offense will be a month.
Third will be a year.

I guess, like PJ and others, you wont be happy until you chase off a very knowledgeable respected poster. Keep baiting.

 

[BC21]

When you look around and don't know who the sucker is in the game reminds me of you., Everybidy here understands your gaps but you. The sad part about it that a couple of them have played you like fiddle.

Stan Shuffett

I understand much more than you know, especially when it comes to my material and how it works. Your knowledge and understanding of it is so minimal that it borders complete ignorance. Please, maybe in a separate thread, post these "gaps" you think exist in Poolology. I will reply professionally, with the utmost courtesy. I would suggest the same type of thread for CTE gaps, but I've already seen how well you handle criticism and legitimate questions.

 

[Bobkitty]

It's passed every test available

I have a 30+ year professional pool teacher that says it doesn't. He can prove it in about 15 minutes on the table. I've asked him time after time as I'm searching for the perfect "aiming system" also like you guys. AND, I've seen his evidence time after time. It just doesn't work ALL the time.... If anyone would like to see that for themselves contact him.

 

[stan shuffett]

I understand much more than you know, especially when it comes to my material and how it works. Your knowledge and understanding of it is so minimal that it borders complete ignorance. Please, maybe in a separate thread, post these "gaps" you think exist in Poolology. I will reply professionally, with the utmost courtesy. I would suggest the same type of thread for CTE gaps, but I've already seen how well you handle criticism and legitimate questions.

Poolology is an approximation system. That's just a plain simple fact. No bash!
If you can't handle that then so be it!

Stan Shuffett

 

[BC21]

Poolology is an approximation system. That's just a plain simple fact. No bash!
If you can't handle that then so be it!

Stan Shuffett

I don't consider your opinion of Poolology to be a bash on the system because you really have no clue what you are talking about. At least I've had some personal experience with CTE, DVD1, and when I had questions about it there was no one giving solid answers. I watched clips, read forums, etc...no answers. I try to do better with my work. I have more questions concerning certain shots in your YouTube clips, but asking such questions of CTE is like taboo here.

I will wait for the book. Maybe it will explain how a 3/8 shot is made by aiming for a 1/2 ball hit, which is the CCB solution in one of your clips. I'm sure there's a good explanation for it because it surely isn't a feel thing or an adjustment to fill a gap in the aiming process. Like I said, I'm sure your book will clear it up.

 

[paultex]

Pretty sure i would pay to see Brian and Stan play a 8 ahead one pocket match.

 

[stan shuffett]

Pretty sure i would pay to see Brian and Stan play a 8 ahead one pocket match.

Not sure why you think that 1 pocket is the best game for aiming issues. 1 pocket is a lot about the cue ball. 14.1, the same thing.
Rotation and bank are the better games when pure aiming is at a premium.

Stan Shuffett

 

[BC21]

Pretty sure i would pay to see Brian and Stan play a 8 ahead one pocket match.

That's a match I would respectfully decline. Stan is an A+ pro level player, has been for years, even before his CTE venture. I am better than average, usually a solid B+ with occasional glimmers of A level play. I have no doubt that I could become a consistent A player if I dedicated the appropriate table time required. But I am a book dealer, a national book appraiser, an aspiring writer, a song writer, and a performing musician. Above all of this I am a husband and a father and work a full-time job. I love pool, always have since I was about 15. I just want other players to able to play as well as I play, and even better. I don't care how they go about achieving that, but I know my book can help.

 

[Bobkitty]

That's a match I would respectfully decline. Stan is an A+ pro level player, has been for years, even before his CTE venture. I am better than average, usually a solid B+ with occasional glimmers of A level play. I have no doubt that I could become a consistent A player if I dedicated the appropriate table time required. But I am a book dealer, a national book appraiser, an aspiring writer, a song writer, and a performing musician. Above all of this I am a husband and a father and work a full-time job. I love pool, always have since I was about 15. I just want other players to able to play as well as I play, and even better. I don't care how they go about achieving that, but I know my book can help.

No doubt, that would be no fair deal. Even my teacher teaches full time every day and has for 30+ years and is NOT in league to play pro level match play anymore. He could when he did. He can do the shots but he's out of stroke and would take him a couple of months to get back into it. BUT, he can demonstrate WHY these drills, DVD's, books do NOT work and does it time after time. He tells me to knock off the easy route and go to work learning the aiming by drilling the shots that give us trouble. 8 of 10 making the ball, means you've got a clue. ANYTHING else is just magic and you're looking for the IN-CROWD. It just doesn't work that way. Watch the pros and tell me which pros take it from inside to outside, pivot, shift their feet 1/10 of an inch each way before they get into the shot.....
I've play golf enough to know that a swing change means you've got to hit the ball 10,000 times learning the new method you're working on. Until you do, you ain't got it on the golf course playing for the championship. Pool is somewhat on the same order. DO THE WORK and stop the magical ending for all "aiming systems". Mosconi had it right..... Would he take up SAMBA, fractions, CTE, TOI, 99/99 ??? Hell no and everyone knows it. This will probably get me banded but it's got to be said.

 

[BC21]

No doubt, that would be no fair deal. Even my teacher teaches full time every day and has for 30+ years and is NOT in league to play pro level match play anymore. He could when he did. He can do the shots but he's out of stroke and would take him a couple of months to get back into it. BUT, he can demonstrate WHY these drills, DVD's, books do NOT work and does it time after time. He tells me to knock off the easy route and go to work learning the aiming by drilling the shots that give us trouble. 8 of 10 making the ball, means you've got a clue. ANYTHING else is just magic and you're looking for the IN-CROWD. It just doesn't work that way. Watch the pros and tell me which pros take it from inside to outside, pivot, shift their feet 1/10 of an inch each way before they get into the shot.....
I've play golf enough to know that a swing change means you've got to hit the ball 10,000 times learning the new method you're working on. Until you do, you ain't got it on the golf course playing for the championship. Pool is somewhat on the same order. DO THE WORK and stop the magical ending for all "aiming systems". Mosconi had it right..... Would he take up SAMBA, fractions, CTE, TOI, 99/99 ??? Hell no and everyone knows it. This will probably get me banded but it's got to be said.

One pocket is a different style, and many times a great thinker can outplay a great shot maker. But the greatest thinkers should be smart enough to avoid those types of matchups in the first place. Because you never know....that great shot maker could also have good thinking skills.lol

 

[Neil]

No doubt, that would be no fair deal. Even my teacher teaches full time every day and has for 30+ years and is NOT in league to play pro level match play anymore. He could when he did. He can do the shots but he's out of stroke and would take him a couple of months to get back into it. BUT, he can demonstrate WHY these drills, DVD's, books do NOT work and does it time after time. He tells me to knock off the easy route and go to work learning the aiming by drilling the shots that give us trouble. 8 of 10 making the ball, means you've got a clue. ANYTHING else is just magic and you're looking for the IN-CROWD. It just doesn't work that way. Watch the pros and tell me which pros take it from inside to outside, pivot, shift their feet 1/10 of an inch each way before they get into the shot.....
I've play golf enough to know that a swing change means you've got to hit the ball 10,000 times learning the new method you're working on. Until you do, you ain't got it on the golf course playing for the championship. Pool is somewhat on the same order. DO THE WORK and stop the magical ending for all "aiming systems". Mosconi had it right..... Would he take up SAMBA, fractions, CTE, TOI, 99/99 ??? Hell no and everyone knows it. This will probably get me banded but it's got to be said.

Half your problem is that you still think of aiming systems as some sort of magic to eliminate any work. They aren't, and the only ones claiming that they are, are the ones that don't want to put in the work to learn them and then claim they are bogus.

If you want to idolize your instructor, go right ahead. Just realize that you have already proven in the post above that he doesn't know everything about pool, and has no qualms steering you wrong.

And, just in case you haven't noticed it so far, many of those drills, books, and DVD's were written by pros that are better than your instructor ever was. Now, I'm not saying that he is a bad instructor. Not at all. But, I am saying that there is a strong possibility that you are misrepresenting what he actually says, and then trying to sound like an expert on the subjects on here that has the definitive answers to all things pool.

As the saying goes....you have much to learn yet, grasshopper.

 

[JC]

This is what I do. When I running bad it's usually because I skip something here. By concentrating on the process it's much easier to crowd unproductive thoughts of results from your mind.

You aiming system to the death warriors need mental help.

JC


Pre Shot Routine


1) Survey the table. Plan the right shot by first looking for all the options, and analyzing them, and lastly deciding on the correct shot and ideal position for the next shot.

2) Decide on cue ball route for shape on the next shot and how to stroke the cue ball to accomplish this. IS THERE ANY SCRATCH POSSIBLE!

3) Get behind the object ball and look at the angle and path to the pocket. (very important!!)

4) Assess the fractional aiming point in relation to the contact point and angles. (Half ball being the base line)

5) Clearly visualize the entire shot and believe in its’ success before getting down to shoot.

6) Approach the shot in a straight line from behind the shooting area and align the toes of the right foot directly under the stroking line.

7) Get down in stance and feather the aim with warm up strokes while visualizing the shot again. Does the stance feel right? If not, get up and realign your body. If you feel that it is only slightly off then adjust while in your stance instead of getting up.

8) Cross check aim with previous fractional assessment on cut shots and left and right pocket edges. Does the aim look right?

9) Draw the cue back slowly and pause. Does everything feel right? If not do not pull the trigger! Stand up and start over at the appropriate step depending on what doesn’t feel right.

10) Stroke through the cue ball, stay down and watch the object ball all the way into the pocket. Then be aware of your elbow, cue stick, right hand, head, and balance before getting up. This is the time where you can analyze what you did and either repeat it or make the necessary adjustments on the next shots.

 

[paultex]

Not sure why you think that 1 pocket is the best game for aiming issues. 1 pocket is a lot about the cue ball. 14.1, the same thing.
Rotation and bank are the better games when pure aiming is at a premium.

Stan Shuffett

Yeah it was my way of leveling the playing field. Maybe it would be a pretty cool match.

 

[HawaiianEye]

I can't believe Mr. Wilson hasn't walked through this thread like Buford Pusser, with his big stick, and slam banned about a half dozen people already.

I've never seen such a bunch of childish misfits arguing over some BS as simple as aiming. If you can't aim, you need to be at the pool table, instead of on here acting like elementary school kids.

I just spent 12 hours playing pool and I had no problem aiming. I didn't make every ball I shot at, but neither does anybody. I made enough to play at an A-level or better. I find it funny that I can maintain around an "A" and only play once day a week, while being old and blind. In order to do that, I obviously have to know how to aim, because it isn't from practicing several times a week.

Aiming isn't everything you need to know how to do to play pool. You have to be able to play position, too, or your aiming expertise is going to run out sooner or later. I play a guy who is an excellent shot maker, but his cue ball control sucks. I just sit back and watch him getting deeper and deeper into trouble while his cue ball gets further and further out of line. Before he ever gets to the money ball, he is having to shoot circus shots. Sometimes he gets out, but his percentages are very low.

He practices aiming, over and over, and never practices positioning the cue ball and adjusting to the table speed, etc., etc., etc. He is just an aimer.

 

[BC21]

I can't believe Mr. Wilson hasn't walked through this thread like Buford Pusser, with his big stick, and slam banned about a half dozen people already.

I've never seen such a bunch of childish misfits arguing over some BS as simple as aiming. If you can't aim, you need to be at the pool table, instead of on here acting like elementary school kids.

I just spent 12 hours playing pool and I had no problem aiming. I didn't make every ball I shot at, but neither does anybody. I made enough to play at an A-level or better. I find it funny that I can maintain around an "A" and only play once day a week, while being old and blind. In order to do that, I obviously have to know how to aim, because it isn't from practicing several times a week.

Aiming isn't everything you need to know how to do to play pool. You have to be able to play position, too, or your aiming expertise is going to run out sooner or later. I play a guy who is an excellent shot maker, but his cue ball control sucks. I just sit back and watch him getting deeper and deeper into trouble while his cue ball gets further and further out of line. Before he ever gets to the money ball, he is having to shoot circus shots. Sometimes he gets out, but his percentages are very low.

He practices aiming, over and over, and never practices positioning the cue ball and adjusting to the table speed, etc., etc., etc. He is just an aimer.

Good post.:thumbup:

 

[Bobkitty]

Half your problem is that you still think of aiming systems as some sort of magic to eliminate any work. They aren't, and the only ones claiming that they are, are the ones that don't want to put in the work to learn them and then claim they are bogus.

If you want to idolize your instructor, go right ahead. Just realize that you have already proven in the post above that he doesn't know everything about pool, and has no qualms steering you wrong.

And, just in case you haven't noticed it so far, many of those drills, books, and DVD's were written by pros that are better than your instructor ever was. Now, I'm not saying that he is a bad instructor. Not at all. But, I am saying that there is a strong possibility that you are misrepresenting what he actually says, and then trying to sound like an expert on the subjects on here that has the definitive answers to all things pool.

As the saying goes....you have much to learn yet, grasshopper.

Lots of things you have no clue about as far as how good he was, how good he is as an instructor, etc. until one of you go out. My only response on here is to let people know that before they strive for years and years learning some of these systems, they might want to take a detour to go see someone that can disband them all in a few minutes with solid evidence... and has done that for several that have seen the man. But, I can see that is not going to work so let the "aiming system" process begin.

 

[SpiderWebComm]

That's a match I would respectfully decline. Stan is an A+ pro level player, has been for years, even before his CTE venture.

Yes he was a pro level player even before CTE. I think a 12th place finish in the U.S. Open confirms he was a helluva player because it doesn't happen by way of luck or a fluke. There are just too many touring pros and other great players to get through and end up where he did. You know it and we all know it.

He was also a certified BCA instructor since the 80's. That's a long time to be teaching. Here's some of his accomplishments from his website:

"I began playing pool at the age of 8 and basically consider myself a lifelong student of the game. I have top 10 national finishes in the games of 9-ball, 8-ball, and 1-pocket. I grew up learning the game of bank and later became a 100-ball runner in straight pool. My most memorable match was in 1984 at the Tar Heel Open where I ran the 1st 5 racks of 9-ball against Hall of Famer Dallas West and winning 11-4 as was noted in The National Billiard News. My most notable tournament victory came in Athens, Georgia in 2002 at Murphy’s Brass Rail winning a Southeast Open Tour event.

I have been a billiards instructor for 29 years. I obtained my initial BCA training under Jerry Briesath in 1989 and his teachings have been the foundation for my game and for what I have imparted to others.

In 1992, I became one of the original 19 chartered members of the BCA Instructors’ Program as we know it today. In October, 2006, I added BCA Advanced Level training to my instructing credentials."

Stan completed his training for PBIA Master Instructor in February of 2014 under the direction of Scott Lee.

Brian, I'd like you to use some common sense. After all of his accomplishments as a player listed above and all of his years as a Certified Instructor giving lessons to PRO players around the world and to regular Joe's, what would possess you or anyone else to think he would suddenly desire to be a WORSE PLAYER and INSTRUCTOR from what he was by delving into the intricacies and unknowns of CTE?

I mean since most on here including you think it's a flawed system, you should have a decent chance of beating him since no one could possibly get better by using it.
ALL of his detractors from AZ should take him on including his son and wipe them out because it would be so easy with them using a flawed system.

CTE isn't even his system developed from scratch. It's Hal Houle's. Stan got immediately captivated by it as soon as he learned about it. But he's taken it to new and greater levels.

After over 55 years of playing pool and being a certified BCA instructor he's seen and tried EVERY aiming system that exists. You don't think he understands what fractional aiming is about? At this point he hasn't seen the grid and alignment choices you provide, nor have I. But he definitely knows the visual aspect of trying to line up multiple finite fractions and contact points.

Here's what I think. You should play him. He can't shoot a lick now since he got involved with this CTE stuff. You have everything to gain and nothing to lose because everyone expects you to lose.

Well, I guess there is something to lose. Like 5 or 10 grand. But hey, what's a little bit of cash to a regular tournament player who is out and used to it every weekend, right?