How Do You Play This Shot?

I think the table diagram is off, the balls look too big relative to the table, so hard to see the correct angle. (doesn't even look like a 7' table)

That said, this angle does seem to be thinner than the typical 2 rail angle. Maybe the 4 rail shot is better? It just looks funny in the diagram. I can't even put this same shot on my 9' table to set it up to shoot it because I don't know where to place the balls due to the diagram being out of proportion.
 
iusedtoberich said:
I think the table diagram is off, the balls look too big relative to the table, so hard to see the correct angle. (doesn't even look like a 7' table)

That said, this angle does seem to be thinner than the typical 2 rail angle. Maybe the 4 rail shot is better? It just looks funny in the diagram. I can't even put this same shot on my 9' table to set it up to shoot it because I don't know where to place the balls due to the diagram being out of proportion.
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The 4 railer is better because once you hit the second rail you cannot get hooked and you cannot scratch and you cannot come up short. KISS

JC
 
Yeah, low left. Unless you're playing on a whacky table, the side pocket shouldn't be an issue. I'm coming just above the side anyway. The side shows up on some Diamonds. This shot is extremely repeatable once you learn it.

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I like the two railer, but depending on how the other balls are sitting and partly how the table is playing, you need to know the three/four railer as well.

There is also the shot with a lot of right and one rail, but that's for special situations.
 
Icon of Sin said:
What are your thoughts on the shot DCP?
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Well, over the years I would usually shoot this shot about 9:00 with a tip of English. But after watching so many pros, such as the ones on all my Reno Sands Regency dvds, seems like hitting it either low or just a little bit of low left is what most pros would do.

If you use English you have to gauge how much because you are basically spinning/throwing the 5B in. That adds just a little bit of difficulty. But, then again, if a guy cant get this out using either way then he's basically not much of a player.

I was just curious what most people do. Sometimes when I am playing I think I might be using too much English instead of low. And again, that seems to be what the pros do.

r/DCP
 
DrCue'sProtege said:
Well, over the years I would usually shoot this shot about 9:00 with a tip of English. But after watching so many pros, such as the ones on all my Reno Sands Regency dvds, seems like hitting it either low or just a little bit of low left is what most pros would do.

If you use English you have to gauge how much because you are basically spinning/throwing the 5B in. That adds just a little bit of difficulty. But, then again, if a guy cant get this out using either way then he's basically not much of a player.

I was just curious what most people do. Sometimes when I am playing I think I might be using too much English instead of low. And again, that seems to be what the pros do.

r/DCP
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Easy, there. Don't come up with the wrong conclusion based on your reasoning. I don't think there is a professional in the world that doesn't use outside english on this. If the shot sits slightly different, 9:00 might be the correct solution. It just happens that this particular layout is a blend (low left), and is the most common and dead easy solution.

This is such a bread and butter shot that I actually refer to this shot as Shot #1. I work with my students on shooting this with 6:00, 9:00, and everything in between so they see what english get them where, with the same natural shot speed.

Freddie
 
I tried this shot on my 9' table. I set it up the best I could trying to go by the diagram. The shot is quite thin, IMO, for the standard 2 rail shot. The 4 rail is the best one, when one is standing at the table, "for the layout on MY table" :)

I did learn a new shot, just straight draw. I've never shot this angle that way before. It had interesting results. A good shot to have in the bag.

I shot the shots cold, first take, ha ha.

Enjoy!

https://youtu.be/XoO2M3UXB-E

PS. there is no scratch in the side, even if you are Efren, the way I set them up on my table.
 
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book collector said:
A man after my own heart.
Also blame bystanders over at the counter getting a sandwich ,for being in with your opponent and sharking you.
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:lol:
Great line...but you forgot to add=> then threaten to "never come in this pool room again".
Keep on truckin'
:thumbup:
 
iusedtoberich said:
I tried this shot on my 9' table. I set it up the best I could trying to go by the diagram. The shot is quite thin, IMO, for the standard 2 rail shot. The 4 rail is the best one, when one is standing at the table, "for the layout on MY table" :)

I did learn a new shot, just straight draw. I've never shot this angle that way before. It had interesting results. A good shot to have in the bag.

I shot the shots cold, first take, ha ha.

Enjoy!

https://youtu.be/XoO2M3UXB-E

PS. there is no scratch in the side, even if you are Efren, the way I set them up on my table.
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Thanx for using your table again....I'm hooked to your vids.
..we all play different and have different cues...my cue is 12mm with a dime shape tip.
...so when I hit 7:30 I'm putting a lot more on it..basically, I'm trying to draw into the corner...
...which I can't do...the left english takes on the first rail a lot, and a bit less on the second..
...thereby ensuring that whitey never goes into the side pocket....
...I get tighter position on the six this way...and the table never beats me.

The trouble with going four rails is that more accuracy is required....if the five goes in
the middle, high side, or low side...whitey goes different places.
...if the five was moved two balls closer to the short rail, i will play the four rails, though.
 
Keep it simple.

Left english a tip to a tip and a half with about lag speed. Ball should come toward the 3rd diamond.
 
I'm probably hitting it about 7:41 or so. I'm guessing, as I'd have to set it up to know for sure. Know I like that shot.
 
Danimal said:
Hit the 5 firm with straight top on the CB. Come around 4 rails to get in line with the 6.
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I don't know if I like that, you can hit the opposite side pocket if you hit a bit too fat or with spin, or go into the corner if you hit thinner or with a bit of inside, or go around into the side pocket near the 6 if you hit it too hard or end up too long on the shot. 2 rails would be safer. There is a lot less chance of ending up too far or with a bad angle to make the ball or scratch.
 
DrCue'sProtege said:
Well, over the years I would usually shoot this shot about 9:00 with a tip of English. But after watching so many pros, such as the ones on all my Reno Sands Regency dvds, seems like hitting it either low or just a little bit of low left is what most pros would do.

If you use English you have to gauge how much because you are basically spinning/throwing the 5B in. That adds just a little bit of difficulty. But, then again, if a guy cant get this out using either way then he's basically not much of a player.

I was just curious what most people do. Sometimes when I am playing I think I might be using too much English instead of low. And again, that seems to be what the pros do.

r/DCP
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go spend some time with robin dryer
http://robindreyer.com
to learn vertical axis position play
 
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iusedtoberich said:
I tried this shot on my 9' table. I set it up the best I could trying to go by the diagram. The shot is quite thin, IMO, for the standard 2 rail shot. The 4 rail is the best one, when one is standing at the table, "for the layout on MY table" :)

I did learn a new shot, just straight draw. I've never shot this angle that way before. It had interesting results. A good shot to have in the bag.

I shot the shots cold, first take, ha ha.

Enjoy!

https://youtu.be/XoO2M3UXB-E

PS. there is no scratch in the side, even if you are Efren, the way I set them up on my table.
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My first instinct would be to shoot the ball with center draw and maybe a TOI to keep the ball from spinning. I usually hit the balls a little firmer than most folks, but I like to keep the balls coming off the rails with no spin, unless I need some.

For this particular shot the 2-rail or the 4-rail positions are both easy to accomplish. If there were other balls on the table that you needed to avoid it may dictate which pattern you chose to take.
 
Low left, most definitely, with smooth draw stroke.
Out from there 49 out of 50 times with the lone
exception being, dogging the 6 in the same corner.
 
Although coming two rails out of the corner appears to be the consensus (and it is in no way a bad shot), hitting it with low outside affects two undesirable traits:

1) It plays a crossover pattern to the line of attack on the 6; and,

2) It plays the CB on a line traveling away from the 6.

Under the gun of competition, one is prone to speed errors and it is not uncommon to overcook the speed/spin on this and easily end up with the CB down the long rail from the 6 - or even somewhere frozen on the opposite end of the table.

If these are the last two balls on the table I'm taking the 4 rails because it comes into the line of the angle of attack, and even though there is more CB travel, it is actually more forgiving to speed errors.

In "The Pro Book" by Bob Henning, he says that when competing in this type of situation (if these are the last two balls on the table) that you should opt for the shot that lets out your stroke a little. It will loosen you up and demonstrate to yourself (and to your opponent) that today you came out to play.

If one has some 3c practice it seems to be quite a natural path with little chance of scratching.
 
Badbeat13 said:
Low left, most definitely, with smooth draw stroke.
Out from there 49 out of 50 times with the lone
exception being, dogging the 6 in the same corner.
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This particular shot is really tough to screw up.

I think the 5 will be missed more often than shape on the 6 will be botched. 2 rails, 4 rails what does it matter? This is very easy stuff. And using the 6-7 leaves a ton more questions. Where are the rest of the balls lying?

JC
 
I'll shoot the shot a few more times a couple of other ways and report back. I still have the doughnuts set up.
 
Again, I can't remember who here said it first, but certain shots come up over and over again. This is one of those basic shots that come up a hundred times in a night of pool. Most of us have a preferred way to play them, especially when the balls are this close.

Every time I watch pool on TV, Ewa says they will play this shot with "low left/right", which is low outside in my vocabulary. I only agree with her about half the time.

When I feel on, I am punting the ball around with top. The bottom of the ball is easy when you're close but put the cb on the same angle but a half diamond from the end short rail and this shot gets different with bottom.

All said, I shoot this ball around 7:30.


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