How often do you scuff your tip?

I agree. Why would anyone scuff a tip right before a match? By doing that, you're suddenly changing the surface of the tip, on which you've been playing. Jesus, don't scuff right before a match... Go into the match with what you're used to at the moment.

All the best,
WW

When you scuff regularly, it is the surface your used to

Keeping it scuffed holds chalk alot longer
And no need to chalk after every single shot
And using the Russian magic, chalk once every 10 or so shots or more

Easier to spin the ball for me
 
I'm not that good that I know when a miscue is coming. If I knew, then i'd never miscue & this entire conversation would be moot. Miscues happen. It's often a mis-stroke but often times it's equipment failure as well. Tips wear down, compress, glaze over, etc. All chalk isn't created equal, either, nor is it impervious to humidity. Table surfaces get doused with hand oils, dust, & grime during play, as do all of the balls when racking. The cue ball gets handled more than any other ball, and how often do people wipe it down? All it takes for a miscue is an off center hit with wet chalk, dirty ball, etc. It doesn't have to be a bad stroke at all. It only has to be the right conditions to cause the tip to slide off the ball. The odds aren't great, but every time the cue ball is struck the odds increase, and eventually lightning strikes. It's not rocket science but it shouldn't be ignored, either.

Another thing that increases the chance of miscue is the game being played and the style a player has. 9-ball on a big table requires the player to move the cue ball. Some guys use a lot of spin while others play angles. Either style can be equally effective, but the guy using a lot of spin will likely miscue more often. Doesn't mean he has a bad stroke. It only means he is increasing his odds of miscuing by hitting off center more often. In either case, the 9b player will miscue more often than a couple old guys playing one hole, bumping the balls down table at pocket speed. Those old guys may hardly ever miscue, but it doesn't mean their stroke is better or more pure than a world class rotation player. It only means they are risking miscue less because they hit soft & center. Rotation player hit firm, off center shots regularly, so their chances of miscuing are significantly increased.

To know your tip needs dressing is easy. That edge where the vertical side meets the crowned top is critical. When it becomes dull, it needs sharpening so you have the exact same feel every time when using english. Just look closely at that edge, which should be nice and sharp. If it isn't, it needs finishing.

I prefer one of those tip finishers where you "grind" the tip into it, rather than the type, for example the popular Last Forever Tool that some azber sells. His tool is great, but it's hard to get that exact, sharp edge all around the tip with one of those. Those are great for shaping the tip, but to finish it I prefer the Willard type. I know some diss this type of tool, but it really does create that sharp edge. And for layered tips, it is a must, as rubbing up or crossways on those tips can undo the layers, in my experience.

I'm a guy who enjoys the hell out of using a lot (too much) of spin, but do I miscue because of that? Nah, I miscue because my tip and/or my stroke isn't right. It's MY fault....always.


Jeff Livingston
 
I agree. Why would anyone scuff a tip right before a match? By doing that, you're suddenly changing the surface of the tip, on which you've been playing. Jesus, don't scuff right before a match... Go into the match with what you're used to at the moment.

All the best,
WW

What?

I don't get your point at all. What of consistency?

It is precisely BEFORE a match that ones need to be prepared for it. I chuckle at those who wait for a miscue before addressing the problem.



Jeff Livingston
 
What?



I don't get your point at all. What of consistency?



It is precisely BEFORE a match that ones need to be prepared for it. I chuckle at those who wait for a miscue before addressing the problem.







Jeff Livingston



#trollhard


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To know your tip needs dressing is easy. That edge where the vertical side meets the crowned top is critical. When it becomes dull, it needs sharpening so you have the exact same feel every time when using english. Just look closely at that edge, which should be nice and sharp. If it isn't, it needs finishing.

I prefer one of those tip finishers where you "grind" the tip into it, rather than the type, for example the popular Last Forever Tool that some azber sells. His tool is great, but it's hard to get that exact, sharp edge all around the tip with one of those. Those are great for shaping the tip, but to finish it I prefer the Willard type. I know some diss this type of tool, but it really does create that sharp edge. And for layered tips, it is a must, as rubbing up or crossways on those tips can undo the layers, in my experience.

I'm a guy who enjoys the hell out of using a lot (too much) of spin, but do I miscue because of that? Nah, I miscue because my tip and/or my stroke isn't right. It's MY fault....always.


Jeff Livingston



If the leading top side of the shoulder of the tip touches the ball it’s because you miscued or you have one hell of a flat tip.

Look at the. Chalk marks the contact patch is the size of the dot on an armith red circle 3mm or so.

And sueding a tip ain’t helping miscues it doesn’t even make sense


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tip,......tiiiiiipp !!

I use Kamui Medium and Tom Hay's Ultraskins medium on my players. Breakcue has a damn azz hard Samsara tip.

The Kamui's glaze and need attention for holding chalk from time to time. I liked the Ultraskins, but the 2nd batch I got were softer than the first. I find they need dressing after a nasty miscue.

I use both spin and angle for position so I can't be accused of spinning my CB "Meucci" style. The break cue just gets harder and harder , thus needing a light scuff from time to time.
maybe once a month ?? :shrug:
 
What?

I don't get your point at all. What of consistency?

It is precisely BEFORE a match that ones need to be prepared for it. I chuckle at those who wait for a miscue before addressing the problem.

I think Grey Ghost covered it, but if you have a tip that needs scuffing (and I think that's not a good tip), then do the scuffing while practicing, get the hit down good, then take it into the match. Nothing is suddenly unusual. That is what of consistency. Taking to the match what you've just been practicing. But I think you just want to argue.

All the best,
WW
 
I have a pre match routine, of checking my cue shaft quickly before the match ( I play league, and local bar tournaments) making sure the shaft is screwed in tight, and the tip is lightly scuffed. I chalk the tip and put a
heavy layer on the first time, then after the game starts I chalk lightly between shots. I rarely miscue, but it happens, and 90% of the time it's
my fault.
 
I think Grey Ghost covered it, but if you have a tip that needs scuffing (and I think that's not a good tip), then do the scuffing while practicing, get the hit down good, then take it into the match. Nothing is suddenly unusual. That is what of consistency. Taking to the match what you've just been practicing. But I think you just want to argue.



All the best,

WW



I remember in days of yore many moon ago playing with my tip with those Doo hickeys and watchamacallits

It would give me the chauzz the sheep fuzz the suede...and I’d chalk dat and like grime it in ma hand or on da carpet almost half not burnish it so it don’t have a perm like dat no moe.

Can’t shoot proper pool with a tip you just prepped for soul glow.

Hell does a tip need catfish whiskers for?

Any one here ever buy any cue from a reputable maker production or custom and open the coffin and the tip got a fuzzier tip than your grandma?

That chauzz that I mentioned, that’s Cajun for lil thin or light stuff like fuzz.

Well that antennae like chauzz is always not present. The tip end is always groomed to a basically even curved surface finish. Like a paper finish cut

Now I will say that setting a tip before every match with the roll side of a checkered device, chalking and flat tapping.

Is totally different. That’s actually the historical grey poupon prescribed method of proper tippery


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I never scuff up my tip, but I'm using a tip that holds chalk really well and doesn't glaze over.
 
I remember in days of yore many moon ago playing with my tip with those Doo hickeys and watchamacallits

It would give me the chauzz the sheep fuzz the suede...and I’d chalk dat and like grime it in ma hand or on da carpet almost half not burnish it so it don’t have a perm like dat no moe.

Can’t shoot proper pool with a tip you just prepped for soul glow.

Hell does a tip need catfish whiskers for?

Any one here ever buy any cue from a reputable maker production or custom and open the coffin and the tip got a fuzzier tip than your grandma?

That chauzz that I mentioned, that’s Cajun for lil thin or light stuff like fuzz.

Well that antennae like chauzz is always not present. The tip end is always groomed to a basically even curved surface finish. Like a paper finish cut

Now I will say that setting a tip before every match with the roll side of a checkered device, chalking and flat tapping.

Is totally different. That’s actually the historical grey poupon prescribed method of proper tippery

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Well spoken.

- Don't lube your gun just before needing to shoot a target.

- Don't put a brand new grip on a golf club before you go into the last round, with money on the line.

- And for God's sake, don't scuff your tip right before going into a match. Different feeling, throw, deflection, whatever you want to call it. You'll be sorry, when you lose.

- And, Jesus, stop walking right at me on the sidewalk, when I am in my lane. What do you expect me to do, jump into the mud? Stay in your lane, on the right side... Don't you just love those idiots that violate that one?

All the best,
WW
 
Perhaps some of you guys who never miscue, never have to scuff a tip, have a perfect stroke, perfect chalking technique, etc. could maybe teach me. I don't expect you to pass knowledge for free, so I understand if we gotta play some cheap sets :thumbup:
 
Perhaps some of you guys who never miscue, never have to scuff a tip, have a perfect stroke, perfect chalking technique, etc. could maybe teach me. I don't expect you to pass knowledge for free, so I understand if we gotta play some cheap sets :thumbup:

I'll gladly give it to you for free. Your chalk should look like this, brushed on the tip, not drilled holes in the chalk.

All the best,
WW
 

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I'll gladly give it to you for free. Your chalk should look like this, brushed on the tip, not drilled holes in the chalk.



All the best,

WW



So wait they not supposed to look like little 1:28th size ten gallon hats for ferrules?




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not being condescending -- just sayin' when i miscue, i know it's my stroke, i'm not blaming it on my tip not being scuffed.

i saw Ralf Souquet scuff his tip once after a miscue. other than that, i don't recall seeing a pro scuff a tip, and i've seen a lot of pro pool with a reasonable dose of miscues.

maybe there are tips that need scuffing. i've only used Triangles, Moori, Everest, Elkmasters, and Precision (Dennis Searing). none of those have ever needed it, but i can believe that there might be some that do; people who use 'em tell me Kamui glaze a bunch.

but for the most part, i believe that scuffers are just one more gadget to distract from the honest work of developing a good stroke.
 
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I'll gladly give it to you for free. Your chalk should look like this, brushed on the tip, not drilled holes in the chalk.

All the best,
WW

So you're saying that if my chalk looks like that, I'll never miscue or need to scuff my tip?
 
So wait they not supposed to look like little 1:28th size ten gallon hats for ferrules?




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Unfortunately, usually the house chalks look like square cartridge cases. Grinders, drillers, what have you...

What can be done? Like those who shake martinis, ending with shards of ice inside the gin. Strangulation seems best.

All the best,
WW
 
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