That is threediculous.
All those balls on the table? Fukink tournament is gonna be a month long.
SVB cheating? Shaw/SVB Derby 9 Ball
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That is threediculous.
All those balls on the table? Fukink tournament is gonna be a month long.
But, but, .... They could combine the three events into one: 15-ball rotation banks one-pocket. With two-shot shootout. One rack per match.
Hmm.....what we really need is to combine the games of rotation, banks and one pocket...that way, like Bob said, there's no need for three separate divisions. Wait, uh, OMG...we need BONUS BALL!!!!!!!
I understand where you are coming from but here is some other things that happened. Jayson said that Dennis (Orcullo) cheats as well. The different between how Dennis was breaking vs Shane was that he was breaking from the side rail. So according to your post, breaking from the side rail causes the wing ball to go. If what you say is true, and I have no reason to doubt that, then Jayson and Chris Melling had no reason to be upset with Dennis making the wing ball breaking from the side, but they did. Chris was breaking from the side and he made the wing ball as well. So what I previously said about them getting upset about Dennis making it and ok with Melling making it breaking from the same place is accurate.
Does Shaw cheat?
You have to ask KMRUNOUT.
He cheats as much as everyone else. They all do it.
Thousands of games played during Derby with everyone racking their own. One guy known for being a hothead throws a temper tantrum cause one of the worlds best players runs a 4 pack and now they should have refs at every table and eliminate 9 ball? Funny stuff.
I didn't ask you to convince me. I most certainly know how to rack, and I am quite certain that I can rack as well as you can. I've never spoken the words "I always give a tight rack". What I always do is to try and give the tightest straightest rack possible given the equipment that I am using. I do spend time actually practicing racking and understanding the how and why's of it. In my experience what you are claiming to do cannot be done as you say it can. I do believe that you believe you are "fixing" the 99% shitty racks that you receive to meet your criteria, not some actual measure of perfection, but I doubt you are actually refreezing the one to the rest of the pack without disturbing any other ball in the rack.
The problem is, I do understand the reasoning for the gaps in the first place. The reason the one would have fallen out of the rack would be caused by a divot, one that the one ball naturally wants to fall into, trying to simply roll it back is like trying to rest a marble on a hill, it will simply roll back to the spot where the surrounding cloth can hold against gravity. The only way to freeze the rack is to find that spot that the one wants to sit in and freeze the rest of the balls to it. The reason the one fell out of the rack is because it was placed on a spot that gravity would not allow it to remain. You cannot simply roll it back to the same exact place and expect it stay where it did not want to stay in the first place. Some magical understanding of the "divot" does not change the laws of physics.
The only way to move the one from that spot that it found is to find it another spot that can hold against gravity. Since we already know that frozen against the rack as it lies was no good and it certainly is no good lying outside of the rack, we must assume that the whole rack would have to move to some degree in order to allow us to find another natural resting spot that it will stay in. So, again, unless you are moving the other balls in the rack and creating new gaps, there is no way to refreeze the one to the other balls without resetting the entirety of the rack.
Ok. Heard your opinion a second time. Best wishes.
KMRUNOUT
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How the hell would I know? Do you have some evidence indicating that Shaw cheated?
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Of course they should have refs at every table. Reality is of course different but this should certainly be aspired to.
Nobody is suggesting eliminating 9 ball.
Well, actually, one person has suggested eliminating 9 ball as we know it and changing to a form where it is not worth cheating on the rack. Maybe no one noticed him. And of course there was the chorus of "Play 10 ball instead." I think they ought to try "breaker plays a push out" but maybe not at DCC.
Not to defend anyone but some racks pinch the one ball when pulled forward and yes you can pull it back.
The pinch comes from poorly made racks that some times are out a couple of degrees and thus pinch the head ball. The first thing I do when using a house rack (not my delta 13) is try all three sides and note which one gives me the best result.
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The pinch comes from poorly made racks that some times are out a couple of degrees and thus pinch the head ball. The first thing I do when using a house rack (not my delta 13) is try all three sides and note which one gives me the best result.
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Pinch the one ball, and you get that bit of a gap between the wing ball and the ball just below the nine ball on the outside, beneath the wing balll. The wing ball needs that bit extra angle toward the corner pocket. Keep the balls between them touching on that line you're going for, and the balls above the nine don't matter. Then, the wing ball goes in, pretty reliably. I think we get it by now. They all know this.
Either have referees for every match, or the magic rack, or you might get screwed. Or, is that scrawed. Is that past-plu-perfect, for screw?
All the best,
WW
Either have referees for every match, or the magic rack, or you might get screwed. Or, is that scrawed. Is that past-plu-perfect, for screw?
All the best,
WW
You just seem to know everything, I thought you'd have the answer. Lighten up, Francis.
Why don't they "train the tables" before starting the tournament?
1) Fresh cloth
2) Draw an outline around the rack.
3) Load the rack, freeze the balls, then tap in place. If there is time the night before, use an eye dropper to put a drop of water where each ball will sit, then tap the balls and let dry.
4) When racking during play, place the rack in the outline and load the rack. Do not load it and then slide into the racking area.
1) Fresh cloth
2) Draw an outline around the rack.
3) Load the rack, freeze the balls, then tap in place. If there is time the night before, use an eye dropper to put a drop of water where each ball will sit, then tap the balls and let dry.
4) When racking during play, place the rack in the outline and load the rack. Do not load it and then slide into the racking area.
Yeah, I think a perfect example of the proof that the pros shouldn't be playing this game is the Gomez vs Orcollo 9-ball match at Derby City. Orcollo played absolutely awful, missing numerous easy shots in this match, but often just getting lucky when he missed a very makeable shot and either lucking in a ball or leaving Gomez hooked. In the hill-hill game, he gets very lucky again, leaving Gomez a kick, and then Orcollo runs out to win the match. There was no question which player played better in this match, but he didn't win the match due the current 9-ball rules. I second that the pros should be playing call shot 10-ball, eliminating most of the luck factor that exists in 9-ball.