Were we informed about the overseeing entity?
I would be VERY surprised if this is the first time the league has been through this.
Stolen league money
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Were we informed about the overseeing entity?
I would be VERY surprised if this is the first time the league has been through this.
You or someone cited the tony anngioni issue and Mark Griffin made that situation better!No offense KD, but you are nuts
CSI won’t do shit. Does the WPA do anything when Barry stiffs the players year after year? No. They only make stupid press releases. How about when the Phillipino promoter in 2008 or so stiffed the payout of the WPA sanctioned world championship, that Efren and Busty boycotted before hand, because they knew the promoter was a bum? Or how about Mackey stiffing all the players for a years worth of tournaments.
Bottom line: Regardless of who is the “regulating body”, they have never done shit when someone steals or donkeys off the cash.
He was not even involved but this issue occurs with his baby
and will do nothing??? Highly doubt that! They will sell the league and make it right or some type of equity arrangement ...
Just my opinion and 2 cents.
Kd
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I know of a situation where an employee stole about $75,000 of cash and merchandise. Police were not interested in prosecuting. Where I live the police take interest in theft and fraud. I guess it depends what state/county the incident takes place. I would not move on. Something smells from fish.
I disagree...if it were me as a LO, I would be requesting a poly on myself ASAP.
Hook me up, ask me your questions...
GoldCrown,
Police don't prosecute but I get your point. Just seems like a simple investigation to me based on my years of watching Forensic Files
Police don't prosecute but I get your point. Just seems like a simple investigation to me based on my years of watching Forensic Files
I could not disagree more.
First, a technical point...the BCA and the BCAPL are totally separate entities, and the one you are referring to is the BCAPL.
Second, when sanctioning your league with the BCAPL, each LO signs a sanctioning agreement. Here is an excerpt from that agreement:
I have read and understand the above statements, and I do agree to adhere to the rules and standards set forth in this application and in the BCA Pool League Operator’s Manual. I shall enforce these guidelines in my league to the best of my ability. I understand that I am totally responsible for the fulfillment of all my league's obligations. Such obligations include but are not limited to: advertising, schedules of play, amounts of awards and prize monies, updating and posting weekly standings sheets, fulfilling sanction fee obligations to the BCAPL on a monthly basis, overseeing safety and security of league funds, notifying league participants of any material changes in the league, and generally fulfilling all obligations and responsibilities attendant thereto. I further recognize that all costs for the league are the full and exclusive responsibility of myself and the signed officers below. I specifically indemnify and hold harmless BCA Pool League, headquartered in Henderson, Nevada, and their employees and directors, of any responsibilities, costs and attorney fees, or obligations attendant to the administration of this league.
That means that BCAPL can sue the League Operator for his failure and does not apply to the harmed members!
The league issues operating licenses and they are valuable and the debt obligations can be paid by selling the league Operators license or making the harmed equity owners of the business..
Kd
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Yup. Apparently his kids significant other has stolen from him before.
KD,
I don't think the BCAPL sells operating licenses anything like other leagues do, like the APA for instance.
I don't think the BCAPL sells operating licenses anything like other leagues do, like the APA for instance.
If I were an LO who just had $19,000 stolen and was responsible for replacing that money, would I have an extra $500+ to pay for a polygraph that is inadmissible in court and whose results would be highly doubted by my players? I doubt it.
Neither is requiring LO's and their leagues to be bonded. In order to secure a bond that would cover the potential loss of league funds of say $20,000, and have that bond's deductible be low enough to be of any use to the league, the price of the bond would be astronomical. You would be better off investing that money, and if anything bad happens (like your league fees were stolen), then you have a kitty to draw from. Of course that begs the question...what happens if the kitty disappears?
Transparency is the key. All leagues should have a well-defined budget, and that budget must be available for viewing by everyone in the league. The budget must include detailed end-of-season payout amounts. League members should have the power to demand to see how much is in the league bank account at any point of the season.
You may be correct!
But there must be some value associated with the league and I find it hard to believe that leagues are formed with no monetary buy in?
People certainly can not walk up and say I have a certain territory per the BCAPL and no one else can infringe with zero purchase price???
That sounds highly irregular!
Kd
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No, you are thinking of other "franchising" leagues like the APA and the USAPL. The BCAPL does not sell or issue any license. They are simply a sanctioning body. There is nothing of value to sell when you are the LO of a BCAPL league.
To Sanction a BCA League:
This is from the 2018 - 2019 League Operator's Manual
To sanction your league, simply fill out the BCA Pool League Sanction Application and send it to the BCAPL office along with your initial sanction fee or $200 deposit for new leagues (US funds only).
http://www.playcsipool.com/uploads/7/3/5/9/7359673/2018-2019_league_operators_manual.pdf
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The very first paragraph of the BCAPL Sanctioning Agreement reads...
Our league understands and agrees to the following:
1. The BCAPL sanctions leagues throughout the world. This agreement does not confer any exclusive rights or franchise areas to any league sanctioned by the BCAPL. It is a privilege, not a right, to be a BCA Pool League Operator.
So given the current events don't you think he lost that privilege???
Bcapl can assign league operating license to the members and they now own the rights not him...
I am certain that you are not lobbying for him to maintain ownership!
Kd
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No, of course, if he lost the money through negligence, or if he outright stole the money, then he should never be allowed to be an LO again. I'm just saying that there is a possibility that this LO was legitimately robbed, and if so, he should be allowed to rectify the situation. If he does, then all should go back to normal, with the LO having learned a good lesson.
I hope you do. It would add a lot to this story. Not to mention the fact that I'm interested in satisfying my own curiosity at the present, and clear up a lot of the blame being passed around here.
I don't like jumping to conclusions. And a great many people are quick to blame the league operator without proof of a conspiracy. Frankly, I'd like to satisfy my inquisitive mind prior to taking part in a witch hunt.
Truth is, there hasn't been any formal investigation as of yet, that we know of. As such, blaming the league operator, thief, or anyone else right now is purely speculation. Again, I'm not much for witch hunts. I wouldn't mind seeing this progress further, so we could get away from that. And a police report would help with that.
I agree completely with this. I've suggested it before, and I will again. A lawyer should be contacted. I've suggested the possibility of a class action lawsuit. The only reason why I suggest this is to protect the rights and investments of everyone involved.
At that, a lawyer amongst many people will be, by far, cheaper than for individuals. Not to mention, it may be worth while to invest from the beginning, and while the case is developing, than to have to come back and explain everything from the beginning. There is a lot to process, and look into at the moment. It's hard to explain something as intricate as this could be at a later date with a high degree of accuracy. A significant number of notes, reports, and various other things need to be created and obtained to maintain an accurate timeline. A lawyer could ease this burden.
My thing about placing it in a bank is that most, at least in the United States, are FDIC insured. That means that if they get robbed, the insurance covers your loss. It would be similar to being bonded. Which a lot of other people suggested.
As logical said just above your post, get a safety deposit box. You can manage the money in a secure room, in a bank vault. No problems with getting robbed there. And you can see my point about the FDIC above.
Again, if a lawsuit is won, and judgement entered, you can go back to court to obtain an lawful order for wage garnishment. Also, there are settlement agencies that will collect your settlement for a nominal fee. Something like 10% of what's owed to you. For $1,900, you can recoup $17,100. Which is better than a swift kick to the rear, if any of these are possible outcomes.
This too. Around the same time as a lawyer.
Would love to see a representative of the league comment on this post. I wonder if one is available?
So, just roll over? No thanks. At least look into it a little further. If it was a thief/robbery, fine. Even if you get nothing for it, at least you tried.
No offense KD, but you are nuts
CSI won’t do shit. Does the WPA do anything when Barry stiffs the players year after year? No. They only make stupid press releases. How about when the Phillipino promoter in 2008 or so stiffed the payout of the WPA sanctioned world championship, that Efren and Busty boycotted before hand, because they knew the promoter was a bum? Or how about Mackey stiffing all the players for a years worth of tournaments.
Bottom line: Regardless of who is the “regulating body”, they have never done shit when someone steals or donkeys off the cash.
Let them make a press release. At least next year no one will bother to show up at this guys event. And no one will care to cater to his business either. When he finally tanks as a result of this, or enough times of something like this happening, so be it. Maybe someone better will pop up.
GoldCrown,
Police don't prosecute but I get your point. Just seems like a simple investigation to me based on my years of watching Forensic Files
This is where it all starts. Until a simple investigation happens, nothing else can. Plain and simple.
I simply don't see an issue if the LO "rectified the situation"; might be a challenge for some with Vegas a week away though.
Some leagues prizes include the pre-paid trip to nationals (now World), while other simply payout cash. With payout so close to the Vegas start, winning player would have had to register, book flights and hotel out of pocket.
This also should not be the case; the LO ran the league too long and should have paid out weeks or a month ago. Even TBA slots in the tournament ended on 7/6.
My guess that the LO may have ignored the email from BCA about start/stop periods for leagues and sanctions.
Polygraph results are absolutely admissible as evidence in court IF both the prosecution and the defense both agree to it.
That agreement seldom happens, however.
Why not just let the police do their job? Perhaps they'll require one at some point, and it'll be free to the league operator.