We all like easy games sometimes...
Big Action Still In Progress! John Barton vs Justin Marks!
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We all like easy games sometimes...
I recognize a lot of the vultures in that picture.
Lou Figueroa
dead horse
looks kinda familiar
too
I'm guessing this won't be an autobiography.
Nice try but you guess poorly.
If you took the time to look at the countless trip reports I've written over 20 years you'd see that, typically, I have been very complimentary of my opponents, win or lose.
But sometimes, not very often, but sometimes, a negative review is in order.
Lou Figueroa
They opted to stream it with a phone. I helped set them up above the table. How many matches have you recorded lately?
Boom!!!!!!
I think JB has heart:
- He offered to pay the time (He lost the match).
- The next day, he generously took Geraldine and I out to dinner in Hollywood after an editing session at my home-studio.
- On the way to dinner, instead of taking a 'selfie' with us on the Sunset Strip, John jokingly sat on the curb and posed as a homeless person taking money from strangers while we took pictures of him. (John laughed saying, "Let this be a lesson to all pool players about betting high!").
- I posted these photos on Facebook but, his wife requested they be removed (I obliged). John too, was a little disappointed that we couldn't leave them up.
- After a short drive around Hollywood and up along Mulholland Drive, we stopped the car at a viewpoint and where John proceeded to give us about 45 minutes of his time asking about us and our goals, what we want out of life and, how we might be able to achieve this. And then, John stood there with us and, overlooking the lights of the San Fernando Valley, he selflessly imparted some of his wisdoms and shared some inspiration.
Yes, John Barton can be a multi-layered personality but, if you too, have a heart and can cut through the BS, it doesn't take long for the 'real' John Barton to appear.
I have no answer for LF's allegations of cheating in a match. I was not there and, those were different times. I just know what I know about John now and, from my experience with him since meeting in 2013. On that note, I will also state that, if you can't accept someone for who they are, flaws and all then you have way too many expectations in people. Everybody has skeletons and flaws. If it's cost you to be his friend or opponent then you should take it up with him/her privately. I'm not one to put another on public blast or to publicly humiliate in these forums. There have been those times when I feel like I should defend myself but even then, I usually end up regretting it.
Oh, and if you're merely looking to get a rematch out of it by 'poking the bear', I doubt it will ever happen. I have my reasons for knowing this...
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- He offered to pay the time (He lost the match).
- The next day, he generously took Geraldine and I out to dinner in Hollywood after an editing session at my home-studio.
- On the way to dinner, instead of taking a 'selfie' with us on the Sunset Strip, John jokingly sat on the curb and posed as a homeless person taking money from strangers while we took pictures of him. (John laughed saying, "Let this be a lesson to all pool players about betting high!").
- I posted these photos on Facebook but, his wife requested they be removed (I obliged). John too, was a little disappointed that we couldn't leave them up.
- After a short drive around Hollywood and up along Mulholland Drive, we stopped the car at a viewpoint and where John proceeded to give us about 45 minutes of his time asking about us and our goals, what we want out of life and, how we might be able to achieve this. And then, John stood there with us and, overlooking the lights of the San Fernando Valley, he selflessly imparted some of his wisdoms and shared some inspiration.
Yes, John Barton can be a multi-layered personality but, if you too, have a heart and can cut through the BS, it doesn't take long for the 'real' John Barton to appear.
I have no answer for LF's allegations of cheating in a match. I was not there and, those were different times. I just know what I know about John now and, from my experience with him since meeting in 2013. On that note, I will also state that, if you can't accept someone for who they are, flaws and all then you have way too many expectations in people. Everybody has skeletons and flaws. If it's cost you to be his friend or opponent then you should take it up with him/her privately. I'm not one to put another on public blast or to publicly humiliate in these forums. There have been those times when I feel like I should defend myself but even then, I usually end up regretting it.
Oh, and if you're merely looking to get a rematch out of it by 'poking the bear', I doubt it will ever happen. I have my reasons for knowing this...
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Thank you for all you do for 1p streaming. I’m working on a small gift for you as a thanks. To be continued.
I got that beat by a mile. Still have a broken strap.
Love the case though, I’ve never seen it’s match in the price range.
I am not interested in a rematch.
Sure JB has a multi-layered personality, though those of us who have known him for the last 20 years might term it something else. As to keeping it private, before our match JB said to me, "I want the match streamed and recorded so that your defeat at my hands will be forever burned into your memory." So you'll have to forgive me on that count.
As to the cheating allegations, here, make up you own mind.
Lou Figueroa
First I'll offer some clarification on an earlier comment I made where I stated that Lou was flown in to NJ and staked in his match with JB. Lou responded that he paid his own airfare and even put up some of his own cash so if that was the case, I apologize, sir. Minor details, I know, but I'm a big fan of accuracy.
And speaking of accuracy, and while not trying to come off like an internet lawyer; the 3 guys you just quoted regarding alleged cheating would likely help JB get a not-guilty verdict if it were a court case. imo, of course.
The first guy you quoted, Koop, said "I am speculating a bit too because I couldn't hear what was being said"
This, imo, is just what he said it was, speculation. He didn't hear what was being said.
The second guy you are quoting, jersey jer, said "while I couldnt hear what Dennis was saying I'd bet my left nut he was being coached on specific shots and moves."
Here is a second guy saying he couldn't hear what was being said and so you can't rule out that it could have been just as JB said, that Dennis Spears was being his cheerleader. I wasn't there for day one but nothing I've read thus far causes me to think JB was actually cheating. I will say that while having a cornerman for encouragement is acceptable, any conversations going on between a cornerman and player to do with game strategy; no way should any of that be allowed so it was good that since there was an appearance of *possible* impropriety that Ed removed Dennis. Still, no hard evidence of any cheating that I've read.
The third guy you quoted, Shawn Armstrong, questioned why JB "chose to have a noted 1p player as the person to give you non-1p related encouragement, and to keep you centred"
I think the answer would be that JB worked with Dennis on his (JB's) 1p game in the days proceeding the match. They developed a teacher/student type relationship and so Dennis was there for support. That would be my guess and yes, it's speculative. :wink:
I remember all those old westerns where when guys were being accused of cheating there needed to be some hard evidence before putting a bullet in them.
In the absence of hard evidence, don't you think JB should be afforded the same benefit of doubt?
again, all imo, of course.
best,
brian kc
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I'll just point out that you conveniently ignored the first quote in my post that you've commented on -- my direct eye witness statement. Here, again, is just a portion of it:
"I notice that from my player’s chair, Dennis is sitting out of my line of sight, slouching down behind one of the arena’s wooden pillars. Now, any time I’m near John’s corner, I’m trying to listen in to what Dennis is saying to John. (Gail says I have hearing like a dog.)
Some folks have wondered, “What could anyone say to John in a just couple of seconds?” But it was way more than that. While I was standing at the table figuring out my shot, Dennis was mumbling away to John with plenty of time to assess the table and brief him on options. Dennis was doing this while holding both hands up to his mouth, sort of like you see baseball players with their gloves during a pitcher/catcher mound conference, but I could still hear bits and pieces like, “You gotta protect the four ball” or “Bank the six over to your side.”
The other eye witness statements, though not definitive, support what I saw.
In all my years of playing 1pocket, coaching has always been verboten. Even in a partners game, it is a point of negotiation: coaching allowed between partners, or no coaching. 1pocket is a game that has often been likened to chess because so much of the game is the knowledge you have accumulated over the years and bring to a game and knowing when to make the right move. Whether 1pocket or chess, IMO it cannot possibly be considered anything but cheating to have a superior player whispering in your ear while playing a match. Thankfully, from my perspective, it did not change the final outcome. But it could have if the coaching had gone on into day two.
So sure, we're not in a court of law. Heck, you can't even get guys here to abide to the basic rules of a high school level debate. So like I said, guys can make up their own minds.
Lou Figueroa
The sum of the evidence indicates clear coaching. Anyone who thinks otherwise is not thinking clearly and i am no Lou fan!.
can you pls explain *specifically* what evidence indicates "clear coaching" for you?
No i wont waste my time