Sky confirmed for Team USA Mosconi Cup

It will be unconventional, outside the box thinking that can provide a chance to win in an era where USA pool is no longer a world-leader.

Going with the highest ranked isn't always the best team.

I doubt team chemistry has much to do with it. The only "chemistry" you need is to avoid in-fighting or conflicts. That's a given.

Maybe some of the players who've been there before have not shown true dedication to winning it. Maybe they aren't as committed as they could be - because they getting paid win or lose and are at a point in their life and career where they just need a pay check.

With the deplorable state that pool is in, with the lack of cash - 2nd place at the MC is still good for most American players.

Think about that.

Now, in some years Europe clearly fielded a superior team. In other years, they did not field their best and still won.


Going with NEW and YOUNG players has two key factors, one a pro the other a con.

The Pro is that they are HUNGRY to win it, not only for the cash, but for the prestige for their career. They want it. They need it. Dream come true stuff. Puts them on the map. Someone who has won major tournaments in the past might not be so motivated...


The Con is that they are green. Lack of experience. Against that kind of competition, in that kind of environment and that kind of stage. This will prove to be difficult. Pressure, distraction, new and unique playing experience and brutal tough competition from the EU will almost certainly lead to a US loss.


The Con is easy to fix. You play them and they will get seasoned and confidence will grow. It isn't uncommon at all for any competitor in any sport to get thrashed their first time. But once acclimated and comfortable, they can then show their true game.

The Pro cannot be created or fixed, it either is or it isn't. Either a player is truly dedicated and 100% committed in their heart to win it all, or they are not. Anything short of 100% determination won't produce wins. It is unlikely that players who have lost their all out determination to win for USA can ever truly light that fire again. Which is why the old guard needs to go....


While Europe has risen and has a surplus of pool power - the USA still has enough talent to win some of these and should not suffer such long streaks of defeats. It's just a matter of getting the right players with the right mindset and goals. There have been some EU teams that the USA legitimately could not beat. But some years and some players ...the EU was overrated. Yes, overrated. They only seem so dominating because the USA team was in a declined state. USA was just playing bad, far below their potential. I believe the EU got some easy wins this way.


In the past, the mindset was always to go with a blend of experience and top players. This seems logical. With the extreme difficulty to win, the last thing you want to do is add another challenging layer on top of that - the rookie factor.

It's good to have some new blood in there. When an opponent has your number for so long, their confidence is through the roof. They know you inside and out, you just look like fresh meat to them. Routine. Meanwhile, the USA is in a mental rut having been on the losing end so long. If 2-3 consecutive beat downs isn't enough to inspire a major motivational drive to reverse matters, then it isn't going to happen. Hence, the long streak of losses and the conclusion that the typical mix of players is not up to the task. A shake up is needed. Reset button.


Some say doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results is the definition of insanity.


Time for something new. Time for a rebuild. Rebuilding phase can be tough at first...but pays off for those who can stick with the mission and who have the patience. If this means not fielding the most credentialed players America has, that's fine. It's better to play slightly lower skilled players who want to win, than the higher skilled who are burned out. Because at this level, they might be a tad lower than the Euros- but they are still good enough to win. These aren't long races. The ability is there.
 
This is not the first post you've expressed an opinion on Shane's weight and I'm not really sure what your issues are. This should have nothing to do with whether he is choosed to represent the US Mosconi Cup team.

Hey, I am a big guy, too. Just so you know where I am coming from.

But it was a little bit shocking to see see McMinn in Leende. He didn't look healthy at all. I mean.. he looks to have gained around 40+lbs beyond all the pictures I have ever seen on AZ or various billiard magazines.

I'm just calling a spade a spade, please don't shoot the messenger.

When I was in the military at 18, the audio/video peeps came to my AIT to get some footage of our MOS for the recruitment videos. At that time, I had pretty bad acne. I got a very clear idea from their behavior that they weren't going to be filming me in any of the shots for that reason. Didn't do a whole lot for my self esteem at the time.

I certainly "hope" Shane gets the spot, as I think he is the most deserving of the three who've been spoken of in contention. But you and I both know what raging azzholes the Euro fans are. Any result McMinn gets outside of dominating his matches, and there's gonna be a lot of smack talking, and you know they won't be above targeting his weight as the reason.
 
It will be unconventional, outside the box thinking that can provide a chance to win in an era where USA pool is no longer a world-leader.

Going with the highest ranked isn't always the best team.

I doubt team chemistry has much to do with it. The only "chemistry" you need is to avoid in-fighting or conflicts. That's a given.

Maybe some of the players who've been there before have not shown true dedication to winning it. Maybe they aren't as committed as they could be - because they getting paid win or lose and are at a point in their life and career where they just need a pay check.

With the deplorable state that pool is in, with the lack of cash - 2nd place at the MC is still good for most American players.

Think about that.

Now, in some years Europe clearly fielded a superior team. In other years, they did not field their best and still won.


Going with NEW and YOUNG players has two key factors, one a pro the other a con.

The Pro is that they are HUNGRY to win it, not only for the cash, but for the prestige for their career. They want it. They need it. Dream come true stuff. Puts them on the map. Someone who has won major tournaments in the past might not be so motivated...


The Con is that they are green. Lack of experience. Against that kind of competition, in that kind of environment and that kind of stage. This will prove to be difficult. Pressure, distraction, new and unique playing experience and brutal tough competition from the EU will almost certainly lead to a US loss.


The Con is easy to fix. You play them and they will get seasoned and confidence will grow. It isn't uncommon at all for any competitor in any sport to get thrashed their first time. But once acclimated and comfortable, they can then show their true game.

The Pro cannot be created or fixed, it either is or it isn't. Either a player is truly dedicated and 100% committed in their heart to win it all, or they are not. Anything short of 100% determination won't produce wins. It is unlikely that players who have lost their all out determination to win for USA can ever truly light that fire again. Which is why the old guard needs to go....


While Europe has risen and has a surplus of pool power - the USA still has enough talent to win some of these and should not suffer such long streaks of defeats. It's just a matter of getting the right players with the right mindset and goals. There have been some EU teams that the USA legitimately could not beat. But some years and some players ...the EU was overrated. Yes, overrated. They only seem so dominating because the USA team was in a declined state. USA was just playing bad, far below their potential. I believe the EU got some easy wins this way.


In the past, the mindset was always to go with a blend of experience and top players. This seems logical. With the extreme difficulty to win, the last thing you want to do is add another challenging layer on top of that - the rookie factor.

It's good to have some new blood in there. When an opponent has your number for so long, their confidence is through the roof. They know you inside and out, you just look like fresh meat to them. Routine. Meanwhile, the USA is in a mental rut having been on the losing end so long. If 2-3 consecutive beat downs isn't enough to inspire a major motivational drive to reverse matters, then it isn't going to happen. Hence, the long streak of losses and the conclusion that the typical mix of players is not up to the task. A shake up is needed. Reset button.


Some say doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results is the definition of insanity.


Time for something new. Time for a rebuild. Rebuilding phase can be tough at first...but pays off for those who can stick with the mission and who have the patience. If this means not fielding the most credentialed players America has, that's fine. It's better to play slightly lower skilled players who want to win, than the higher skilled who are burned out. Because at this level, they might be a tad lower than the Euros- but they are still good enough to win. These aren't long races. The ability is there.

Hey Grilled Cheese it is obvious you put some time and effort into your post, thanks. You make some strong points...some are quite obvious but many will ignore them anyway. After supporting team USA and The M-cup for many years I will jump on the rebuilding wagon also. Not only that but your avatar is badass.
 
Thanks!

I didn't mean any disrespect to any of our past MC players. They are truly greats and I appreciate all they've done to win in a past era, but it's time to move on. I'm sure they'd agree in principle, but would disagree if chosen. A paycheck is a paycheck.
 
After this pick (Styer has the 52nd highest Fargo rating of US players with a Fargo rating) it's anybody's guess who the final pick will be. Deuel (5) Dominguez (9) and McMinn (16) are the highest ranked (Fargo rating) players that were part of the US team that recently competed in Russia.

"I am considering keeping six players after that tournament [the International 9-Ball Open] and holding that final decision until the last minute."

...................Johan Ruijsink, quoted in the November, 2018 Billiards Digest


Geesh, I hope he doesn't do that. Just pick the guy and let him feel like a real member of the team for the last few weeks of preparation.

Edit -- glad Ruijsink named just one guy Friday.
 
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But you and I both know what raging azzholes the Euro fans are. Any result McMinn gets outside of dominating his matches, and there's gonna be a lot of smack talking, and you know they won't be above targeting his weight as the reason.

oh come on. are you gonna judge all of europe by a handful of cockney hooligans? most europeans loathe the english fans, be it in football or pool.

but yes, it's not unthinkable that they after a few pints would say something referring to mcminns weight. personally i like ellerman or deuel for the last spot. ellerman is a bulldozer not unlike tony drago in his days and deuel is one of the smartest pool players alive
 
I have heard a few things and i think the last spot goes to

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It really is pretty academic who gets the final US spot. Because unless Team USA get a magnitude of rolls then I cannot see them getting beyond THREE matches.

The Alexandra Palace venue has been sold out for nearly a year and the cauldron is bubbling away in anticipation. Lack of experience will set out the ground and with such fearsome couplings of Kaci/Shaw, Ouschen/He and Feijen with just any one of those four, then spirits will wilt.

Marcus Chamat could just as easily have stuck pins in the Euro Top 20 qualifying list and produced three more teams capable of destroying American hopes. Even sending five Polish players would be a tough call too.

Shane, if he finally gets his head around the fact that he should maximise his score, could pick up a couple of points and Sky could scratch out another one.
But that’s about it!

It is a pity that Bergman is not one of the contender for the last spot as his presence would strengthen up the squad to a degree that might see them manage to win up to six points. His omission makes it seem that Matchroom are not letting America field their strongest team (which they obviously are not, it is just the system).

I still think that they should call him up. OK, so all the remaining players who have committed to that system early, might feel aggrieved. But sometimes things can be tough and Life Is Tough. The Team is bigger than the players.and I'd take Bergman in a head to head over all the others except Shane.

But generally, I like what Johann has done in lowering the team age. But I think that his only hope is that his players are getting blooded for 2020 (not 2019).
 
This is not the first post you've expressed an opinion on Shane's weight and I'm not really sure what your issues are. This should have nothing to do with whether he is choosed to represent the US Mosconi Cup team.


Might be those skinny tight shirts they all wear for the MC.

Lou Figueroa
 
IMO, JR is going with a bad strategy.

You'd have to have seen the MC in person to understand. It is an event unique in pool and it's the last place you throw untested players into. Get guys who have made their bones elsewhere and then you might have a chance with them.

Lou Figueroa
 
1. Going young for the sake of going young is dumb in a sport where many play their best pool around 40 years old.
2. If a player is 20 and he's not world class yet, it's not because he's JUST lacking experience! We need look no further than Kaci and Filler to see this.
3. A player shouldn't even be considered for the MC until they have proven their professional credentials. This doesn't mean they need to have multiple professional wins, but at least a year's worth of quality finishes would seem appropriate. This is actually more along the lines of what Woodward and Thorpe accomplished prior to their initial appearances.
4. If Matchroom really wants to restore the competive balance, all they have to do is double the prize fund and go back to having this be a truly earned prize for a great season. It's much more engrained in the US psyche to have an actual points race than it is to compete in a beauty pageant.
 
First off let me say this isn't sour grapes(known S.McMinn since he started) or some "GrassyKnoll" conspiracy theory. Having said all that, more went in to choosing the team than just playing ability/record. I think most people who've been following this drama the last few weeks know what i'm talking about. Let's just say that t.v. "appearance" was more than just a small factor. I hope they do well and good luck to 'em.
 
First off let me say this isn't sour grapes(known S.McMinn since he started) or some "GrassyKnoll" conspiracy theory. Having said all that, more went in to choosing the team than just playing ability/record. I think most people who've been following this drama the last few weeks know what i'm talking about. Let's just say that t.v. "appearance" was more than just a small factor. I hope they do well and good luck to 'em.

having mario he on the other team kinda negates that theory anyhow. i bet he can out-eat mcminn any day of the week, no matter whats being served
 
having mario he on the other team kinda negates that theory anyhow. i bet he can out-eat mcminn any day of the week, no matter whats being served
Wasn't the Euro team picked via a straight-up points system? The US team was all captains picks iirc. The US squad was subjectively chosen on multiple levels.
 
First off let me say this isn't sour grapes(known S.McMinn since he started) or some "GrassyKnoll" conspiracy theory. Having said all that, more went in to choosing the team than just playing ability/record. I think most people who've been following this drama the last few weeks know what i'm talking about. Let's just say that t.v. "appearance" was more than just a small factor. I hope they do well and good luck to 'em.

i highly doubt he is making his selections based on weight. We may disagree with some of his selections, but I very seriously doubt weight was even a minor factor in his decision making process.
 
Wasn't the Euro team picked via a straight-up points system? The US team was all captains picks iirc. The US squad was subjectively chosen on multiple levels.

The first 3 were based on points, the latter two were wildcard picks (albeit I think Albin was 4th, based on points anyway).
 
Wasn't the Euro team picked via a straight-up points system? The US team was all captains picks iirc. The US squad was subjectively chosen on multiple levels.

he'll still be on the telly, no matter how he was picked. and he is more overweight than mcminn
 
i highly doubt he is making his selections based on weight. We may disagree with some of his selections, but I very seriously doubt weight was even a minor factor in his decision making process.
Matchroom is involved as well.
 
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