wanted bank lesons in dallas

deanoc said:
I want to buy Loery's book and dvd
anyone have a copy
call or PM

dean
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Dean,

Go to zerox-billiards.com

The book you want is PKF. Lots of real good info. Especially the kicking section for one pocket. Some math but basically simple. Once you get the book I will point out the parts that I think will help you the most.

A DVD is also available or can be downloaded but I find the book is better because you can take it to the table.

Tor has the best instructional information on pool I have ever seen. Easy to understand.

Bill S.
 
jay helfert said:
Taylor banked better than all of them for starters. Ronnie also banked great, especially in One Pocket. He kicked equally as great. Varner banked great also, he's from Kentucky after all! Kelly and Red were both great One Pocket players and did everything well, including banks.

How I'd rate them as One Pocket players, it would be close, with Ronnie on top and the other four in almost a dead heat. Five of the best of all time, that's for sure!
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Jay,

Taylor banked the best. No question.
Red played the best one pocket on the 5x10.
Taylor played the best one pocket one handed. Saw him beat Ronnie several times.

Taylor and Ronnie played about even one pocket but I never saw Ronnie win.

Kelly at one time played better one pocket than Ronnie or Taylor. Then he quit playing. I played him even one pocket at the Cue Club in Vegas and he ran 10 and out the last three games. One of the few times I booked a loser playing one pocket. His straight pool knowledge gave him a edge over the others.

Bill S.
 
In the first post Dean mentioned stroke consistency. Banking would be just like all the aiming wars. How can you bank, cut or aim without a stroke?

What's wrong with Randy G? He's already in Dallas.
 
I played gold with Eddie Kelly and I got to ask him a lot of questions about one pocket players

I asked him who was the best and he said Eddie Taylor was head and shoulders above everyone

I asked Eddie if he could beat Ronnie and he said Ronnie gave him 8 to 7,I asked if he could beat him even and he said he didn't need to because Ronnie gave him a ball

Very practical man Kelly or Kelley

I once asked him to autograph some pictures for me Champaign Eddie Kelly,
he said Ok and asked how to spell it,we had to look it up in his old dictionary

Kelly was a real champion

Once he explained or rather spoke about the phenomena of dogging,
he said there wasn't a man alive who had never dogged it,and it was not always the money
or the amount,he spoke for some time on the unusual circumstances associated with dogging


I found him very interesting

Eddie Taylor was also very interesting and loved to show shots,he seemed to really love pool

Jersey Red was a character,really a great player and full of stories and opinions but Ronnie could spin a tale like no one I ever met
Billy incardone has a very analytic mind in areas of pool and has become a great commentatur,my favorite

Billy Stroud is not even considered a pool player,most of you guys think of him as a pool cue maker
and of course he really was the father of the modern pool cue. His ideas of pool cues and marketing have made it possible for what we see today

But back in the day Billy was a pool player,a real danger to your bank account,in fact if I had to be locked in a room with all the great player who ever lived with one goal,get the money

I would choose Billy and step right in

back to getting me some help with my banking
 
GoldCrown said:
wrong!!!!!!!! No substitute for llive personal instructions...
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Seriously? You think dean is going to become a student of the game now?

He doesn't want to play pool,, primarily. It is only a vehicle for the gamble.

Hes gonna be sad to find out how the gambling world has changed over the past decade anyway, should he try to get back into it.
 
I don't know how much gambling has changed
but I do know the dallas pool scene is way worse than it ever has been

I have been playing practice pool only,occasional $5 to $50 just to have
some reason to
try, I am willing to admit my pool shooting has improved

funny thing happened Friday a fella played me some $200 straight pool with proviso that we jack it to $400 after that

word was out that I could and did only plat one pocket,he was right I dogged my brains out
,he played bad too. What is it about straight pool that makes me afraid of shots that I usually make?

Or is it that I dog it for the money?or both?

during the entire set I never ran 9 balls
 
bstroud said:
Jay,

Taylor banked the best. No question.
Red played the best one pocket on the 5x10.
Taylor played the best one pocket one handed. Saw him beat Ronnie several times.

Taylor and Ronnie played about even one pocket but I never saw Ronnie win.

Kelly at one time played better one pocket than Ronnie or Taylor. Then he quit playing. I played him even one pocket at the Cue Club in Vegas and he ran 10 and out the last three games. One of the few times I booked a loser playing one pocket. His straight pool knowledge gave him a edge over the others.

Bill S.
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Billy, You know Red grew up playing One Pocket on that tough 5x10 at 7/11 in New York. Ervolino played good on that table too. He was right there with these guys in One Pocket and gambled better than anyone except maybe Ronnie.

Some of those games between Ronnie and Taylor may have been questionable unfortunately. I loved Ronnie, but he was notorious for working the room to the max if you get my drift. He clued me in several times when to bet and when to keep my hands in my pockets. Ronnie was in it for the money, not the fame!

When I saw Kelly play Ronnie (for real), he was getting 9-8 and losing. If Ronnie tried to give him 8-7 Kelly would win. That's how close they were. Ronnie's One Pocket game came up fast in the mid 60's, as I'm sure you know. I saw Ronnie play Red one time in Vegas (at the Stardust) for 100 a game and give him 9-8 and win (maybe 500). Red had a backer and Ronnie didn't. That was back in 1967 or '68. I never saw them play again, but Red asked Ronnie for the same game he gave Kelly when he saw him in L.A.

By the way, I never saw Ronnie and Taylor play. It's hard for me to believe that Taylor could have beaten Ronnie playing One Pocket jacked up. I did see Ronnie play that way many times and he was UNBELIEVABLE! I also saw Taylor play one handed 9-Ball with Chris Raftis in Dayton and get whipped badly. I would rate Raftis second only to Goosatay. Little Miami refused to play him 9-Ball jacked up. You may not have ever seen Raftis play, because he ran rooms around Ohio and Michigan, but Chris was the real deal. He could spear balls in so good it would make your head spin!

P.S. Billy, you were a lot like Ronnie in my book in that you were there to make money and you usually did. I only saw you gamble once or twice (Johnston City and Vegas) but you had a good gift for making games, kind of like Cardone in that respect. You were very convincing when I saw you discussing a game :wink:. And I don't think you ever played in the tournaments either. You were just there to gamble. Correct me if I'm wrong.
 
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jay helfert said:
Billy, You know Red grew up playing One Pocket on that tough 5x10 at 7/11 in New York. Ervolino played good on that table too. He was right there with these guys in One Pocket and gambled better than anyone except maybe Ronnie.

Some of those games between Ronnie and Taylor may have been questionable unfortunately. I loved Ronnie, but he was notorious for working the room to the max if you get my drift. He clued me in several times when to bet and when to keep my hands in my pockets. Ronnie was in it for the money, not the fame!

When I saw Kelly play Ronnie (for real), he was getting 9-8 and losing. If Ronnie tried to give him 8-7 Kelly would win. That's how close they were. Ronnie's One Pocket game came up fast in the mid 60's, as I'm sure you know. I saw Ronnie play Red one time in Vegas (at the Stardust) for 100 a game and give him 9-8 and win (maybe 500). Red had a backer and Ronnie didn't. That was back in 1967 or '68. I never saw them play again, but Red asked Ronnie for the same game he gave Kelly when he saw him in L.A.

By the way, I never saw Ronnie and Taylor play. It's hard for me to believe that Taylor could have beaten Ronnie playing One Pocket jacked up. I did see Ronnie play that way many times and he was UNBELIEVABLE! I also saw Taylor play one handed 9-Ball with Chris Raftis in Dayton and get whipped badly. I would rate Raftis second only to Goosatay. Little Miami refused to play him 9-Ball jacked up. You may not have ever seen Raftis play, because he ran rooms around Ohio and Michigan, but Chris was the real deal. He could spear balls in so good it would make your head spin!

P.S. Billy, you were a lot like Ronnie in my book in that you were there to make money and you usually did. I only saw you gamble once or twice (Johnston City and Vegas) but you had a good gift for making games, kind of like Cardone in that respect. You were very convincing when I saw you discussing a game :wink:. And I don't think you ever played in the tournaments either. You were just there to gamble. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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Jay,

Taylor and Ronnie played one handed jacked up one pocket at the Stardust tourney. I was on the road with Eddy and was sitting next to Squirrel. It was a barbecue. Taylor won easily. Was not bus.

I also barbecued Dallas West playing 9 ball the day before.

That was where Taylor and I split up. He went on to San Francisco for the one pocket. Ronnie won the tournament but Eddy beat him right after the event.

I never liked tournaments. Still don't. Gives a sucker a chance to win when he doesn't deserve to. A real test is 10 ahead or 15 ahead bar table. Then you know who is the best player on that day.

Goosatay was amazing.

Ervolino was a sneaker. He played much better than he looked.

Played Red a lot of one pocket at his room in Houston when I was 18. He gave me a ball. For 20 a game (his limit) I learned a lot.

Cardone was a tough egg to match up with. Probably still is.

Bill S.
 
Black-Balled said:
Seriously? You think dean is going to become a student of the game now?

He doesn't want to play pool,, primarily. It is only a vehicle for the gamble.

Hes gonna be sad to find out how the gambling world has changed over the past decade anyway, should he try to get back into it.
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Dean is a Mean Machine. Inside of him is a 1P player working his way out.
 
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I bought both of the bank books mentioned

i have spoken briefly with Bill Stroud and as usual he gives great advice in few words
i plan to return the call when i get my books

jack came over with Pam yesterday,he spoke very highly of billy
and his play

i wish billy would come through texas
 
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