Mosconi Cup week 2018

[ibuycues]

[QUOTE
Albin was the best for Europe. Plain and simple. If you look at the losses Albin took, none of them were ugly, none of them were blow outs. Both were on the hill. Opponents had to play near-perfect to beat him whether singles or in doubles. I don't remember Albin ever looking like he was struggling, never looked weak, and I don't remember him really botching anything up badly. He made some errors, but they were reasonable and controlled. They weren't outlandish like the balls missed by Thorpe or Styer for example.[/QUOTE]

Grilled cheese,
You made a lot of substantive points in your longer post, of which the above is part.
I also agree that Albin surely seemed in command of the table at about every moment, and had no blowout in losses.
I would differ with your posts only in that he did have more than one flub-a-dub missed shot on a par with those of Thorpe (not quite as bad as Tyler). I was very, very pleased with the overall energy, commitment, focus and execution by both Tyler and Billy even with a miss or two (like Albin).
Not knocking Albin at all, he played magnificently. Just remembering. :thumbup:

Note: Albin's singles match against Skyler Woodward was magnificently played; his problem
was that Skyler's was even more so! Albin was the benchmark European player.

A great, great week by Team USA, one for which America can take justifiable pride. Well done!
Extremely well done, electrically charged, emotionally a piledriver!

Will Prout

 

[Cardigan Kid]

Jayson Shaw was definitely a negative to the european team this year

Great player, but acted just a jackass

Thrusting his chest out like a pootus when he won a frame (not a match, a frame)

Bobbing his head along when the crowd were being rowdy like a bad billy ray cyrus concert

Next year's cup in Vegas should be epic. The US needs just to replace Corey

Europe should totally revamp their team

The Billy Ray Cyrus analogy had me laugh out loud. Because it's so true!
Well done.

Also, I think the crowd played a much bigger factor in this Mosconi Cup. They were much more boisterous than normal especially in the final day...in that they kept the sounds and noise almost right up to the warm-up strokes.
But the noise after an asked for extension (indicating that they are cheering because you are unsure)...or 6 inches of extra roll even though not out of shape and the hoots and hollers will wear on the players.

You could see the crowd take Billy right out of that rack, when he went for 3 rail position and it caught the tip of the side pocket and luckily headed across the table...the crowd went batty with boos, Billy nodded his head and smiled, but clearly he was out of concentration...and that's when the miss happened which lead to the loss.

Jayson was the same, but in reverse, he started bobbing the head with the cheering and lost concentration missing that 3 ball, giving Sky ball in hand and going down 1.

Those little slices of concentration loss can mean everything in a race to 5 and the crowd plays a huge factor. Dare I say, noise canceling wireless ear buds might prove useful in the future?

 

[Dan_B]

..yes sir, on the ear plugs into the future. Healthy energized partisan's are a good thing.

Thought I'd dbl check the score here seeing that Paris is burning down, just to make sure of the win.
Reading this had the same effect of watching it... wheuuu, that was closer than it should of been.

 

[RichSchultz]

while SVB is allowed for medical reasons, I think ear devices are prohobited.

 

[Cardigan Kid]

while SVB is allowed for medical reasons, I think ear devices are prohobited.

I'm all for the crowd noise and fun, it definitely brings excitement. But the fans this year were extra aggressive on the American players...multiple warnings and pleas for respect from refs, more than I can remember in the past.

The American fans will never be as loud and chaotic as the Europeans. They get it from their football culture. The chants and singing are just borrowed from the soccer stadiums over there.

There is an edge that the fans give to the Euros. It was relatively quiet when Kazakis was out of shape and getting up and down, calling extensions. But Shane rolls too far into that 5 ball and the crowd went ape. There are many examples.
Even in Vegas, the Euro crowd brings that edge.

Noise canceling ear buds should not be out of line if the crowd noise is encouraged. IMO

 

[Island Drive]

I'm all for the crowd noise and fun, it definitely brings excitement. But the fans this year were extra aggressive on the American players...multiple warnings and pleas for respect from refs, more than I can remember in the past.

The American fans will never be as loud and chaotic as the Europeans. They get it from their football culture. The chants and singing are just borrowed from the soccer stadiums over there.

There is an edge that the fans give to the Euros. It was relatively quiet when Kazakis was out of shape and getting up and down, calling extensions. But Shane rolls too far into that 5 ball and the crowd went ape. There are many examples.
Even in Vegas, the Euro crowd brings that edge.

Noise canceling ear buds should not be out of line if the crowd noise is encouraged. IMO

Noise was controlled effectively by the referee.

He did a GOOD job, warned one person he'd be out if he did it again, and I also saw home court crowd too noisey when our player was down on their break shot....the ref touched our player on the back/stopped play, and did not let him break till it was quieted down.
MC is NOT the US Open.....it's good entertainment, with a good payday.

 

[Cuebuddy]

I'm all for the crowd noise and fun, it definitely brings excitement. But the fans this year were extra aggressive on the American players...multiple warnings and pleas for respect from refs, more than I can remember in the past.

The American fans will never be as loud and chaotic as the Europeans. They get it from their football culture. The chants and singing are just borrowed from the soccer stadiums over there.

There is an edge that the fans give to the Euros. It was relatively quiet when Kazakis was out of shape and getting up and down, calling extensions. But Shane rolls too far into that 5 ball and the crowd went ape. There are many examples.
Even in Vegas, the Euro crowd brings that edge.

Noise canceling ear buds should not be out of line if the crowd noise is encouraged. IMO

IMHO the Europeans that make it to Vegas far out number the Americans who make it to Great Britain for this event. The Americans still greatly outnumber the Euros in Vegas but the Euros are a loud bunch with clever chants, songs and little jabs. We try and when we win a game or a match we can hold our own but generally the further we fall behind the more subdued we become:embarrassed2:.

I believe it was in 2015 Albin Ouschan was torturing us nearly every time he swung and the English would simply say softly.....almost under their breath "Stop it Albin"


I thought I would die:rotflmao:

 

[Cardigan Kid]

Noise was controlled effectively by the referee.

He did a GOOD job, warned one person he'd be out if he did it again, and I also saw home court crowd too noisey when our player was down on their break shot....the ref touched our player on the back/stopped play, and did not let him break till it was quieted down.
MC is NOT the US Open.....it's good entertainment, with a good payday.

The break is a bit different...the player is not under a shot clock, and yes, they did an adequate job at settling down the crowd.
During match play, there were times he had to turn and talk to various folks. I saw one ref reset the shot clock.

Like I said, its good entertainment. So can earl bring a pair of ear muffs? Is that good entertainment? Then let a player get out a set of noise canceling buds and run out? That's good entertainment as well.

 

[LeftyIke]

It seemed to me, that Europe made a mistake by playing Kazakhs in the last match. I would have put Albin, Shaw, or Feijen, before Kazakis, especially with the three of them having more experience in Big-Pressure matches. It ended up being close, but I think the Pairings hurt Europe, and they left some Killers off the European team. I’ll have to admit, that I was upset with Styer and Woodward being on this year’s Team. They played brilliantly, and that underscores why other countries have certified Coaches to work with Players ,instead of Hustlers or the a Pro Star. I’ll shut my mouth, and wait for the results, from now on. I know that all of these players have the talent to run out, but the Mental game, and handling pressure is so important. Hats off to the entire U.S. Team!!

 

[Cardigan Kid]

IMHO the Europeans that make it to Vegas far out number the Americans who make it to Great Britain for this event. The Americans still greatly outnumber the Euros in Vegas but the Euros are a loud bunch with clever chants, songs and little jabs. We try and when we win a game or a match we can hold our own but generally the further we fall behind the more subdued we become:embarrassed2:.

I believe it was in 2015 Albin Ouschan was torturing us nearly every time he swung and the English would simply say softly.....almost under their breath "Stop it Albin"


I thought I would die:rotflmao:

They are a good laugh. However, I don't think the response is that American audience members should have to get louder, more boisterous, and push the limits and obtain more threats of removal from the refs just to get even.

Let's let technology take care of the crowd....



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If Matchroom allows them to be used, I pledge here and now to buy a set to any 2019 Mosconi team member who wants one :thumbup:

Now let the crowd do whatever they want.

 

[MatchroomPool]

Skyler played his best Cup

SVB played his best Cup

Styer was awesome

Safety play was much better

Speed play was great too

Awesome job!

Absolutely spot on. All those assertions are backed up by fact. The USA's safety was solid throughout and got them into winning positions.

 

[AtLarge]

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[JAM]

My favorite Mosconi Cup moment, I shared on Facebook, but for those who don't venture on over to the FB side of the world, here it is.

And please don't correct my grammar. I used the word "nobody" purposely.

It's double-hill, racing to 5. Team Europe fans in the audience are now completely out of control, howling at the top of their lungs, stomping their feet. The decibel level of the noise was deafening. But it was the American, Sky Woodward, who snatched the win, silencing the European fans. He then turns to the audience and motions, as if to say ...

 

[vjmehra]

My favorite Mosconi Cup moment, I shared on Facebook, but for those who don't venture on over to the FB side of the world, here it is.

And please don't correct my grammar. I used the word "nobody" purposely.

It's double-hill, racing to 5. Team Europe fans in the audience are now completely out of control, howling at the top of their lungs, stomping their feet. The decibel level of the noise was deafening. But it was the American, Sky Woodward, who snatched the win, silencing the European fans. He then turns to the audience and motions, as if to say ...

I missed that, that's actually quite funny, I like to see the players engaging the crowd (so long as its good natured).

 

[jay helfert]

All and all a very much needed good year for the future of the MC! This wonderful event is back on track now with a long overdue win by Team USA. I look for more close matches in the ensuing years.

I was traveling during the event and only got to watch snippets of the play, but followed the results online. I've long believed that doing well in the MC had as much to do with the mental side of pool as well as the physical aspects of the game. During the last eight years it was not as if the Americans had fielded such weak teams, as much as it was that they never were able to perform up to their ability level in the pressure cooker that is the MC.

This years team held up much better mentally than those that preceded them, and I have to give credit to Johann and Jeremy (and the players of course) for overcoming the mental demons that have haunted past teams. This year they were able to execute shots under pressure (safeties, kicks, cuts, combo's and banks, the whole gamut) that have been their downfall before.

I've never felt like there was this huge discrepancy in ability between the U.S. teams and the European side as was often discussed on here. I would agree that the Euro teams often looked better on paper and should certainly be favored, but in the short race format that is the MC, the players who perform better under pressure will emerge victorious. I think this year's result is an example of just that happening.

 

[poolhallbanger]

That was the same feeling I got when I defeated Efren Reyes in a tournament packed with his fans lol.