Siming Chen vs Donny Mills

I agree, I'm hoping she'll beat Donny and go on to match up more with higher-rated men. Nothing against Donny, I just think it would be way more interesting if we were in fact witnessing the greatest female player of all time by a wide margin. That would be a pretty cool thing to watch happen.

Balukus....Drilled Mizerak in his prime in a pro 9 ball event.
 
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I think this will be an interesting match. However it’s not going to prove that she can play with men at the same rating as her as she is 34 points higher than Donny in fargorate. I haven’t seen her play a whole lot but she does play very well. The only way to find out if she can compete with the men at the same level as her is to play one or more of them in some kind of long race. She has to beat Donny first. I’m not saying that she can’t compete with the men but I can’t see her beating Ruslan

I don’t know why a long race is the only way to find out. Why is it better than, say, a series of short races, which is mostly how pool players are linked to one another.

The Fargorating tells us how she plays against other pool players without respect to gender. Why isn’t that better than any specific match?
 
I don’t know why a long race is the only way to find out. Why is it better than, say, a series of short races, which is mostly how pool players are linked to one another.

The Fargorating tells us how she plays against other pool players without respect to gender. Why isn’t that better than any specific match?
Fargo Rate, once someone is established, is like a really long 200 game set. But better than that, it's against a whole host of other players with different strengths. The rating is accurate. Sure Donny has small chance to win, and he could beat the odds for this one match. Or maybe since Chen beat him last time, he has practiced 12 hours a day, and he actually got significantly better. But I doubt it.
 
1 match doesnt mean crap as far as fargorate being accurate, I just dont understand why people cannot figure out that Fargorate is an average.

If the player played at their exact Fargorate every time, then Shane would win every match over 10 games or so.

The people on this forum amaze me.

If you like Donny, come to the action room - I'm open for at least $600 more.
Jason

This is directed at everybody who thinks like this
This isn’t one match it’s 3 different races. The first time they played was one match that’s why you can’t tell anything by it. I don’t care who wins. I just think it will be interesting to see how these sets go as they will be far more telling than the first time they played.
 
Fargo Rate, once someone is established, is like a really long 200 game set. But better than that, it's against a whole host of other players with different strengths. The rating is accurate. Sure Donny has small chance to win, and he could beat the odds for this one match. Or maybe since Chen beat him last time, he has practiced 12 hours a day, and he actually got significantly better. But I doubt it.

It's certainly not out of the realm of possibilities that he's been grinding practice hours out in preparation of this rematch and comes in a better player than his Fargo rate suggests,,
I actually expect it ,,,


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This isn’t one match it’s 3 different races. The first time they played was one match that’s why you can’t tell anything by it. I don’t care who wins. I just think it will be interesting to see how these sets go as they will be far more telling than the first time they played.

In the grand scheme of things it's one match.

It wont prove or disprove anything. Fact is, she's the favorite whether she wins or loses. I'm glad all you guys think the man wins and a woman couldnt possibly beat a man.

I'll double down on my thoughts - I'M OPEN FOR UP TO $2,000 ON SIMING.

What will all of you Donny lovers do?
Jason
 
Balukus....Drilled Mizerak in his prime in a pro 9 ball event.

Queen Jean also beat Buddy Hall 9-3 in a tournament.
...i disagreed with Young Hoppe on making the pro associatation men only...
...there were always players in those fields that couldn’t beat Jean....
...’course, Allen wasn’t the only guy who felt like that...:)

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I feel that pro ranks should be open
 
In the grand scheme of things it's one match.

It wont prove or disprove anything. Fact is, she's the favorite whether she wins or loses. I'm glad all you guys think the man wins and a woman couldnt possibly beat a man.

I'll double down on my thoughts - I'M OPEN FOR UP TO $2,000 ON SIMING.

What will all of you Donny lovers do?
Jason

I said I don’t care who wins and I’ve never said she couldn’t win because she is a woman. I was simply saying this match will be more telling in that it will tell if the fargorate is accurate for both men and women. No matter who wins it will not definitely prove one way or another about fargorate but it will give more insight. The only way to definitely prove one way or the other will take a lot more than this match. It will take multiple matches over a longer time. However it will be interesting to see how this one goes.
 
I said I don’t care who wins and I’ve never said she couldn’t win because she is a woman. I was simply saying this match will be more telling in that it will tell if the fargorate is accurate for both men and women. No matter who wins it will not definitely prove one way or another about fargorate but it will give more insight. The only way to definitely prove one way or the other will take a lot more than this match. It will take multiple matches over a longer time. However it will be interesting to see how this one goes.

There have been thousands of matches played between the sexes already, this will not change Fargorate one bit.

Fargo doesnt care what sex you are - it's not really a difficult concept. It wouldnt matter if Monkeys were playing, it would work out the same.

There is no more insight to be gained - and it will never change peoples bias about sex no matter how many matches are played.
Jason
 
There have been thousands of matches played between the sexes already, this will not change Fargorate one bit.

Fargo doesnt care what sex you are - it's not really a difficult concept. It wouldnt matter if Monkeys were playing, it would work out the same.

There is no more insight to be gained - and it will never change peoples bias about sex no matter how many matches are played.
Jason

I’m not biased I’m just curious to see how it turns out. I don’t watch the women play much but the last match I watched the 2 ladies playing both had over 650 fargorate and in a race to 9 neither ran out a single time on their first trip to the table. I know lots of 650 players and they run out fairly often. Maybe they just had a bad day.
 
Right now, Siming Chen = 783, Donny Mills = 749.

Plugging that into fairmatch.fargorate.com gives Chen a 78% chance of winning each set to 21.

That would make the match outcome probabilities:
Chen wins 2-0: 61%
Chen wins 2-1: 27%
Donny wins 2-1: 7%
Donny wins 2-0: 5%

Overall, 88% chance that Chen wins, 12% that Donny wins, based on Fargo ratings.

So you’re saying Donny has 6% chance to win? Someone lay me 10:1 and I’ll try a buck or two on the big guy.
 
I’m not biased I’m just curious to see how it turns out. I don’t watch the women play much but the last match I watched the 2 ladies playing both had over 650 fargorate and in a race to 9 neither ran out a single time on their first trip to the table. I know lots of 650 players and they run out fairly often. Maybe they just had a bad day.

Massive difference in a 650 and a 783 fargorate. Again, a match or 2 doesnt mean crap - J Barretta is around 650 I think and I've seen her run out plenty.....it might take 20 minutes, but it happens. Lol
Jason
 
So you’re saying Donny has 6% chance to win? Someone lay me 10:1 and I’ll try a buck or two on the big guy.

I'm reading the same post you quoted and I'm fairly sure it says 12% unless twelve is spelled 6???
Jason
 
Massive difference in a 650 and a 783 fargorate. Again, a match or 2 doesnt mean crap - J Barretta is around 650 I think and I've seen her run out plenty.....it might take 20 minutes, but it happens. Lol
Jason

My point was a 650 player should run out more than they did They both had plenty of opportunities. Also they were playing on gold crowns, not the toughest table to run out on.
 
There have been thousands of matches played between the sexes already, this will not change Fargorate one bit.

Fargo doesnt care what sex you are - it's not really a difficult concept. It wouldnt matter if Monkeys were playing, it would work out the same.

There is no more insight to be gained - and it will never change peoples bias about sex no matter how many matches are played.
Jason
I know for a fact she wont catch a game with some players at her speed or just above in 10 ball,, she is only getting this game because its 9 ball on the spot break box rules that favor her ,


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I know for a fact she wont catch a game with some players at her speed or just above in 10 ball,, she is only getting this game because its 9 ball on the spot break box rules that favor her ,


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The point is that if they are "at her speed", then their break is roughly equivalent. If they are "at her speed", but they shoot straighter, then she will likely have a better break.

So, all in all, if they play "at or near" her speed, then they play at or near her speed, period. There is absolutely no validity to the idea that some dude is gonna crop up out of nowhere with the same Fargorate but a much better break and crush her. If he's the same Fargorate and breaks much better than her, then his position play/shotmaking will be crap, and it will only be his break that allows him to stay close with high Fargorate competitors.
 
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