Analysis of the GREATEST POOL MATCH of All Time – Sigel vs. Varner

i saw mike at us open 09 or 08 in chesapeake, i was one of three spectators. he seems ok, when no one is calling him names. he even said something encouraging as i sat watching him.

some pro players interact with fans, i like that.

other pro players are all about the win and money. i prefer the earlier

as for daves vid i think those shots are highly edited

After watching a bit of the videos you did, you should be the last person on here to comment about videos. Of course he edits the videos, to make them actually watchable and clear.
 
I thought it was great - enjoyed the analysis of Mike's final shot. I've heard through the forums that Mike claimed he had no safety and was going for a four rail bank. His body language certainly suggests otherwise, and the video demonstrates a few alternatives. Thanks for the video, Dr. Dave.

I thought that he had some better options that just going for the shot, there were a few safeties that even I saw that could be done there.

Was for sure one crazy ending to have that miss and then end up in such a horrible spot for the next shooter.
 
I thought that he had some better options that just going for the shot, there were a few safeties that even I saw that could be done there.

Was for sure one crazy ending to have that miss and then end up in such a horrible spot for the next shooter.

Agreed. I probably should have used this title instead: "The Most Shocking Pool Match of All Time."
 
After watching a bit of the videos you did, you should be the last person on here to comment about videos. Of course he edits the videos, to make them actually watchable and clear.
DrDave is the dad of making pool videos in short form.

im just saying i noticed his work.
 
What the heck does that mean?




What the heck does that mean?

this video had value in emotion, instruction, historical purpose, replaying competition situation, commentary from the greats, PC and non PC statements.

it means i see you trying new material.
 
this video had value in emotion, instruction, historical purpose, replaying competition situation, commentary from the greats, PC and non PC statements.

it means i see you trying new material.

Wow! I didn't expect something so positive coming from you directed at me. Thank you!
 
Wow! I didn't expect something so positive coming from you directed at me. Thank you!
its legit the intention in the production is very clear from the start of the video.

feels like you've been studying
 
Agreed. I probably should have used this title instead: "The Most Shocking Pool Match of All Time."

I'm glad you guys seem to like this video because I'm already working on the next video in the series dealing with the true undisputed "Greatest Match of All Time." Which one do you guys think it is? And which other matches do you recommend for me to feature in the series?

Thanks,
Dave
 
The case rack of this match has been considered a few times before on the forum. I wondered whether the cue ball, which was frozen to the nine in the case rack, may have been lined up for a dead scratch in the side pocket. Even if that was so, a touch of right masse could have been used to leave the cue ball near the head rail. Defense was available no matter how you slice it. As ridiculous as Mike's shot looked , however, it was not completely without merit, but it wasn't best.

This was not the best match of all time, but among the best comebacks of all time, slightly devalued by the fact that it was decided by a roll. My vote for the greatest comeback of all time is in the final of the 2013 BCAPL 10-ball event at the Rio in Las Vegas. Dennis Orcullo led Rodney Morris 9-2 in the race to 11 final and Dennis was in dead stroke., With some of the finest shooting anyone's ever seen, Rodney completed the comeback to win the title. Also worthy of mention is Efren's comeback at the BCA Championships at the Riviera in Las Vegas circa 1999 --- in an early round hookup, Allen Hopkins had a 10-1 lead on him but Efren won the next ten racks to win the match.

Best nine ball match ever, in the eyes of many, was the Efren vs Earl race to 120 "Color of Money" match, but if only tournament play is considered, I'd go with when the sixteen year old Wu Jiaqing played Po Cheng Kuo in the final of the World 9-ball title in 2005. In the race to seventeen final, Kuo led 16-12 but went wrong on a safety in the next rack and Wu ran out that rack and broke and ran the next four to claim the world championship.
 
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The case rack of this match has been considered a few times before on the forum. I wondered whether the cue ball, which was frozen to the nine in the case rack, may have been lined up for a dead scratch in the side pocket. Even if that was so, a touch of right masse could have been used to leave the cue ball near the head rail. Defense was available no matter how you slice it. As ridiculous as Mike's shot looked , however, it was not completely without merit, but it wasn't best.

In my re-created ball layout, the tangent line did head to the side pocket. But hitting into the frozen ball pushes the CB forward of the tangent line, as I demonstrated with one of my options. And a thin hit with masse can go below the side, as I also demonstrated.


This was not the best match of all time, but among the best comebacks of all time, slightly devalued by the fact that it was decided by a roll.

I agree. I should have used this for the title instead: "The Most Shocking Pool Match of All Time"


I'm already working on the next video in the series dealing with the true undisputed "Greatest Match of All Time." Which one do you guys think it is? And which other matches do you recommend for me to feature in the series?
My vote for the greatest comeback of all time is in the final of the 2013 BCAPL 10-ball event at the Rio in Las Vegas. Dennis Orcullo led Rodney Morris 9-2 in the race to 11 final and Dennis was in dead stroke., With some of the finest shooting anyone's ever seen, Rodney completed the comeback to win the title. Also worthy of mention is Efren's comeback at the BCA Championships at the Riviera in Las Vegas circa 1999 --- in an early round hookup, Allen Hopkins had a 10-1 lead on him but Efren won the next ten racks to win the match.

Best nine ball match ever is, in the eyes of many, was the Efren vs Earl race to 120 "Color of Money" match, but if only tournament play is considered, I'd go with when the sixteen year old Wu Jiaqing played Po Cheng Kuo in the final of the World 9-ball title in 2005. In the race to seventeen final, Kuo led 16-12 but went wrong on a safety in the next rack and Wu ran out that rack and broke and ran the next four to claim the world championship.

Thank you for the suggestions. I will consider featuring these in future episodes of my "Greatest Matches of All Time" series. But the one I am working on now is not on your list. Do you or others know what it might be?

Thanks,
Dave
 
The case rack of this match has been considered a few times before on the forum. I wondered whether the cue ball, which was frozen to the nine in the case rack, may have been lined up for a dead scratch in the side pocket. Even if that was so, a touch of right masse could have been used to leave the cue ball near the head rail. Defense was available no matter how you slice it. As ridiculous as Mike's shot looked , however, it was not completely without merit, but it wasn't best.

This was not the best match of all time, but among the best comebacks of all time, slightly devalued by the fact that it was decided by a roll. My vote for the greatest comeback of all time is in the final of the 2013 BCAPL 10-ball event at the Rio in Las Vegas. Dennis Orcullo led Rodney Morris 9-2 in the race to 11 final and Dennis was in dead stroke., With some of the finest shooting anyone's ever seen, Rodney completed the comeback to win the title. Also worthy of mention is Efren's comeback at the BCA Championships at the Riviera in Las Vegas circa 1999 --- in an early round hookup, Allen Hopkins had a 10-1 lead on him but Efren won the next ten racks to win the match.

Best nine ball match ever is, in the eyes of many, was the Efren vs Earl race to 120 "Color of Money" match, but if only tournament play is considered, I'd go with when the sixteen year old Wu Jiaqing played Po Cheng Kuo in the final of the World 9-ball title in 2005. In the race to seventeen final, Kuo led 16-12 but went wrong on a safety in the next rack and Wu ran out that rack and broke and ran the next four to claim the world championship.
Yes! The COM has it all. Excellent pool, two of the greatest players, high emotions, and a monster come back story.
 
Thanks Bob. I'll check it out and I'll try to find the full match.
I replaced the video in my post with the whole thing. There is one kick carom that Davis played that was amazing but I can't find it now.
 
I'm glad you guys seem to like this video because I'm already working on the next video in the series dealing with the true undisputed "Greatest Match of All Time." Which one do you guys think it is? And which other matches do you recommend for me to feature in the series?

Thanks,
Dave

Probably the finals of the Sands XXI


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I think the Steve Davis/Efren Reyes match in the World 9-Ball Championships, 2000 is in the running for this. Davis came back from 2-8 down going to 9. Here's a video:
Thanks for sharing. I've never seen this match before.
 
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