SVB to Kick Off High Run Attempts

I am going to predict that bobby never again says a word about the table conditions John set the world record on. Watching Shane run racks like water and then miss easy shots with bucket pockets makes it clear that concentration and focus can't let up for even one shot.

Which brings up Willie's advice to aspiring players, "don't miss".
 
I think the whole thing is pretty cool but I do find it humorous the lengths Bobby went on the stream to avoid giving John's run any credit, but at the same time he says all the old timers had runs in excess of 600 (paraphrasing) and he just takes them at their word.

What's really the ultimate goal here? Is it 627 or not? When someone is attempting to climb Mt Everest, it would be nice to know how far they have to climb.
 
BasementDweller said:
I think the whole thing is pretty cool but I do find it humorous the lengths Bobby went on the stream to avoid giving John's run any credit, but at the same time he says all the old timers had runs in excess of 600 (paraphrasing) and he just takes them at their word.

What's really the ultimate goal here? Is it 627 or not? When someone is attempting to climb Mt Everest, it would be nice to know how far they have to climb.
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If someone were to pass 526, say 560 or so, then wanted to claim the new official high run in 14.1 I wish them all the best in discrediting JS 626 in order to get their new high run credited😅🤣😂
 
What separates a 300 ball runner from a 600 ball runner? I think at that level it’s much less about technical skill (Shane, Ruslan, all these guys have that in spades) and purely a feat of extreme stamina/focus. In one of Schmidt’s videos he talks about knowing when to treat some shots as easy and just knock them in, while conserving your mental energy for tougher shots — he seems to have mastered the mental side of the high run as much as the technical. Hopefully Shane can dig deep and post a monster number.
 
records are set on the normal conditions of the times, during an event not set up purposely to break a record..

i think a current record should be on todays standard equipment used. i am okay with the 5 inch pockets but would expect not to see a super fast 760 cloth so the balls break wide open on the break shots.
setting the equipment up for the purpose to break a record defeats it to me. others for sure think differently.

still its good that top pros are out there shooting for something that may make news.
 
madmartigan said:
What separates a 300 ball runner from a 600 ball runner? I think at that level it’s much less about technical skill (Shane, Ruslan, all these guys have that in spades) and purely a feat of extreme stamina/focus. ...
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However they get there, I think it means they miss half as many shots on average. Like 1 in 100 instead of 1 in 50.
 
maha said:
records are set on the normal conditions of the times, during an event not set up purposely to break a record..

i think a current record should be on todays standard equipment used. i am okay with the 5 inch pockets but would expect not to see a super fast 760 cloth so the balls break wide open on the break shots.
setting the equipment up for the purpose to break a record defeats it to me. others for sure think differently.

still its good that top pros are out there shooting for something that may make news.
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Where would you suggest buying the 1950's woven woolen cloth, all those cloth manufacturers are out of business!!
 
Bob Jewett said:
However they get there, I think it means they miss half as many shots on average. Like 1 in 100 instead of 1 in 50.
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Or make many more attempts. Schmidt set aside way more time to start over and try again than the guys in this exhibition will.

I could flip a coin and hit heads 10 times in a row if I had enough time to start over and try again time after time. I think that’s what Schmidt had to do, except the coin hit heads 98% of the time and he had to hit it 626 times in a row.
 
BRussell said:
Or make many more attempts. Schmidt set aside way more time to start over and try again than the guys in this exhibition will.

I could flip a coin and hit heads 10 times in a row if I had enough time to start over and try again time after time. I think that’s what Schmidt had to do, except the coin hit heads 98% of the time and he had to hit it 626 times in a row.
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One things for absolute certain, that is for every Pro player that competes in this competition, gives it their all, and fails to produce, like it or not, that's just going to bring even more attention and RESPECT to accomplishments of JS not only having broke the recognized record of 526, but that he also pushed the bar to an even greater record of 626!!
 
BasementDweller said:
...I do find it humorous the lengths Bobby went on the stream to avoid giving John's run any credit, but at the same time he says all the old timers had runs in excess of 600 (paraphrasing) and he just takes them at their word.

What's really the ultimate goal here? Is it 627 or not? When someone is attempting to climb Mt Everest, it would be nice to know how far they have to climb.
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We watched some at the pool hall this evening, and all had a good laugh at BC avoiding even saying the BCA or John Schmidt's name, but taking as gospel any off-hand comment from old-time players of the great runs they think they made. .

It is interesting watching SVB run racks, and i hope he does well. There was mention of statistics being published, and it will be interesting to see the magnitude of all SVB's runs plotted as a function of time, with duration of breaks etc.. I'm curious how stretches of 'hot streaks' and 'cold streaks' will play out, and how fatigue and luck of the break will show up.

From the Facebook page, it looks like there are five videos on Day 1, totalling about 8.5 hours?? Are there any stats of how many attempts he made, how many racks he played, etc.?
 
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On the Facebook page, there are five videos for Day 1, but they aren't continuous for some reason. Some videos start with a couple of racks showing, and some videos end mid-run, with no video showing the continuation.

Is this the 'chopped-up video' Danny Harriman was talking about?

Is there (or will there be) a repository showing all the attempts?
 
gerryf said:
We watched some at the pool hall this evening, and all had a good laugh at BC avoiding even saying the BCA or John Schmidt's name, but taking as gospel any off-hand comment from old-time players of the great runs they think they made. .

It is interesting watching SVB run racks, and i hope he does well. There was mention of statistics being published, and it will be interesting to see the magnitude of all SVB's runs plotted as a function of time, with duration of breaks etc.. I'm curious how stretches of 'hot streaks' and 'cold streaks' will play out, and how fatigue and luck of the break will show up.

From the Facebook page, it looks like there are five videos on Day 1, totalling about 8.5 hours?? Are there any stats of how many attempts he made, how many racks he played, etc.?
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I thought the same thing as he rattled off all of the people who ran 700 or more back in the day and then just stopped. The funny thing is I think he’s right. Obviously I can’t know how many they ran before they stopped, but I did hear firsthand from the owner of the room where Mosconi ran his 526 that no one really ever tried for long runs. It just wasn’t a thing anyone did. But for once I agree with the glue guy that the longer this goes without beating the record of 626 the more impressive JS’s run actually is. Then again we are just two days into this great event amd we haven’t even seen any of the true blue 14.1 player hit the table yet. I’m sure there’s plenty of guys looking at their schedules and chomping at the bit to get over there and give it their shot.

Every time a new player hits the table I hope Lou starts a new thread so we can start this all over again.
 
JusticeNJ said:
They aren't though - that's the problem with 14.1. Some balls are not in play because they don't go anywhere until you make it possible to make them go somehwere by clearing blockers or opening clusters. On this point, 14.1 can be excruciating. It's way too easy to bump balls and have no shot, bump balls and just make more clusters, etc.

Some aren't in play because you need them to close out the rack (i.e., they are the final pattern). Now, for sure, the opportunity to play for multiple balls is greater in 14.1 than in 9 ball, but as the rack goes on in straight pool, it get's more difficult as you close out your pattern and your margin of error in position gets increasingly tighter; whereas in 9 ball, the rack gets easier with much larger margins for error in position as you close out the rack.

To me, this is what makes 14.1 immensely enjoyable and bananas hard.

All IMO and respectfully.
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Ohh I get what your mean with the clusters and such, hence why I said theoretically. However, if you have 10 balls open then its easier to get shots form 10 open balls vs just 1 ball.

But as with all pool games, each game has its own strategies.

I do like 14.1 too. I have been watching some of Shane's runs.
 
maha said:
records are set on the normal conditions of the times, during an event not set up purposely to break a record..

i think a current record should be on todays standard equipment used. i am okay with the 5 inch pockets but would expect not to see a super fast 760 cloth so the balls break wide open on the break shots.
setting the equipment up for the purpose to break a record defeats it to me. others for sure think differently.

still its good that top pros are out there shooting for something that may make news.
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I would be willing to bet that many (likely most) of Mosconi's exhibitions were played on tables with favorable conditions. People like high runs and Mosconi was there to show off for them. I really do not think this is any different. Running balls is running balls. You could argue that the Mosconi's record was in an exhibition against an opponent, so the first break was not with ball in hand. That fact really shouldn't matter once someone beats 526 by more than one rack since everything that follows is purely by player planning and running balls.

I think it's great. Not that anyone cares, but I count John's record as the highest recorded run.

Bobby has supported Babe Cranfield's runs in the 700s as the highest runs ever witnessed. I assume he would be holding that number as the goal of this event unless they do not break at least 500.
 
Was that Bobby on stream who said they would only be inviting players who have won a WPA sanctioned World title?

That made me chuckle a bit, since the first player that got invited was Shane.
 
BasementDweller said:
I think the whole thing is pretty cool but I do find it humorous the lengths Bobby went on the stream to avoid giving John's run any credit, but at the same time he says all the old timers had runs in excess of 600 (paraphrasing) and he just takes them at their word.

What's really the ultimate goal here? Is it 627 or not? When someone is attempting to climb Mt Everest, it would be nice to know how far they have to climb.
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Every single day all of us make judgements about things we hear and assign them different levels of credibility.

That can be because of the source, or how complete the info is, our familiarity with the subject matter, or just whether or not it conforms to what we know of the world. And the bottom line is we don't give everyone and every bit of information that comes in the front door the same level or credibility.

IOWs, if the subject is 9ball racks run, and Player A says, "I've run an 8pack," and Player B says, "I've run an 8pack," and Player C says,"I've run an 8 pack," chances are we are not going to believe all of them equally based upon what we know of their personal integrity, their skill level, and what we know about running an 8pack. No different for running a large number of balls at 14.1.

We're going to believe some people; not believe others; and have our doubts about some.

Lou Figueroa
 
realkingcobra said:
If someone were to pass 526, say 560 or so, then wanted to claim the new official high run in 14.1 I wish them all the best in discrediting JS 626 in order to get their new high run credited😅🤣😂
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I think, say, if someone were to run 700 at our event, there will be enough documentation that we won't have to discredit anything.

Lou Figueroa
 
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