Bank the 4?
He has the pocket on the right side in the picture.
No way to bank the 4 and kill the cue ball.
One pocket. What’s the play?
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He has the pocket on the right side in the picture.
No way to bank the 4 and kill the cue ball.
And although the OP probably wasn't aware, the creator of WWYD posts like this must absolutely state which balls are dead (and maybe from where) and whether banks pass. This rule is observed almost entirely in the breach.
That would leave the 6 ball bank to the left pocket.
Maybe I'm seeing it wrong, but it looks like you can kill the cue ball with left draw. The 4 needs to barely miss the 7.
From the picture it looks like the 10 will hit the cushion between the pocket and the first diamond.
No threat.
No threat.
Bob the cut on the 4 to bank it into the right hand pocket is so severe that turns the cue ball loose.
Maybe, but I'm not shooting that shot with my cash on the line.
Measureman hates to sell out.
Think about this.
Hitting the 4 with low left hard enough to get down table puts a lot of right hand spin on the 4 increasing the angle of the bank a lot towards the side rail.
Do you have a table handy to try this?
I'm really into this discussion now.
I'm always interested in one pocket strategy.
I agree the CB can be killed (even frozen to the 14 with a good enough hit), but I also think the 4 needs to go a little wider than that (unless you're loading up the side spin)...
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This is one of my favorite moves and a shot I practice a lot. Varying angles and amounts of inside to get it tucked up nice and protect me balls.
In this case though it would leave all your balls open for him to mess up since you have the right side pocket...unless you got real lucky and rolled under the 3 and didn’t bump the 5 out for a shot
I think the CB position has confused a few people since you should never leave it there if the right pocket is theirs
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A lot of different and reasonable suggestions here.
Lets look at it from a competitive view point.
The score is always the deciding factor in how you play any shot in one pocket.
In this situation if I need one ball and my opponent needs 6 or more I might go for the 4 ball bank and hope not to sell out.
But if the score is real close I'm playing safe.
Lets look at it from a competitive view point.
The score is always the deciding factor in how you play any shot in one pocket.
In this situation if I need one ball and my opponent needs 6 or more I might go for the 4 ball bank and hope not to sell out.
But if the score is real close I'm playing safe.
If it lays right I would bank the 14 and lay the cue ball on the 4 otherwise just bank the 4 like Bob suggested.
Here is the table in Virtual Pool as close as I could get the balls. If there is a significant error in placement please let me know which ball needs to be fixed. The best way to transfer the placement is to draw lines between two diamonds two different ways for each ball. Unfortunately, VP does not allow me to skew the view to exactly match the table viewing angle/center/elevation as in the OP.
![CropperCapture[781].png](https://forums.azbilliards.com/attachments/croppercapture-781-png.615694/ "CropperCapture[781].png")
And here is the bank for that layout as simulated by VP4. This speed leaves the 4 in the jaws.
![CropperCapture[782].png](https://forums.azbilliards.com/attachments/croppercapture-782-png.615695/ "CropperCapture[782].png")
And here is the bank for that layout as simulated by VP4. This speed leaves the 4 in the jaws.
Banking the 4 looks good on paper but for my money I'm still going to bump the 5 to the rail and snuggle the cue ball up to the 1 and 13 most of the time depending on the score and my opponents skill level.
All the cue ball needs is allot of 9 o'clock/Horizonal spin to steer it your direction.
Your main goal is your ''cueball position behind the 14 in line with your pocket.
All Cue ball/with proper speed and leave Whitey on the long rail, inline with your corner pocket.
Your main goal is your ''cueball position behind the 14 in line with your pocket.
All Cue ball/with proper speed and leave Whitey on the long rail, inline with your corner pocket.
That does not seem possible...I don't think you can come off the 14 and hit the 4 at all, much less stop anywhere near it and have the 14 come very far off the end rail.
He likes banking the 4, in case you couldn't connect the above with anything...
This is how I naturally think about it as well. Whenever I watch matches though I hear the commentators (often good 1P players) saying not to do anything remotely crazy or risky if you only need one ball
I wouldn’t know how it plays out because I always go for that 8th ball
I guess it still just depends on table layout and opponent skill though. Alex or someone may run 6 from here if you flubbed the bank bad and let the CB go around that 14 or something else for a shot. If you’re playing JJ87...bank on brother.
See post 17