Could Joe Rogan help with pool?

[RunoutJJ]

Does Joe Rogan have an account on here? Do you think he will see this and chime in? How awesome would it be if Joe came in to tell us how he feels about it and what his OPINION would be about pool and what can be done.

I really feel he would have a very honest and respectful response to this topic. JOE!!! If you see this please let us know how you feel about this discussion!!

 

[middleofnowhere]

I certainly didn't misread it. Your post had four sentences, and all four of them read as complaints about how Joe Rogan isn't doing anything for pool, with the clear implication being that you feel he should be. That is how it naturally reads, and if you meant something else it was very poor wording, something we've all done from time to time.

I think there is some false belief that because he plays a little pool and knows some players he may be a benefactor. There is no reason to believe that. I'm not sure what lasting benefit he could provide.

 

[Bavafongoul]

Except for the few members there is none. It would just drive pool more into obscurity. You don't bring pool to the masses by locking people out.

I disagree but that doesn’t really matter since the trend, ergo future, of pool appears to be established.
2-3 yrs from now, locating a nearby pool hall will require driving to an adjacent town or perhaps further.

Bigger cities will have parlors but smaller towns will only have taverns & sports bars with 7’ pool tables.
Overall interest in billiards here in the states hasn’t been growing. That’s a precursor to less opportunity.

 

[middleofnowhere]

I disagree but that doesn’t really matter since the trend, ergo future, of pool appears to be established.
2-3 yrs from now, locating a nearby pool hall will require driving to an adjacent town or perhaps further.

Bigger cities will have parlors but smaller towns will only have taverns & sports bars with 7’ pool tables.
Overall interest in billiards here in the states hasn’t been growing. That’s a precursor to less opportunity.

I like the club idea, especially if you can get around some stupid laws. A pool room is not an easy thing to open.

 

[westcoast]

Does Joe Rogan have an account on here? Do you think he will see this and chime in? How awesome would it be if Joe came in to tell us how he feels about it and what his OPINION would be about pool and what can be done.

I really feel he would have a very honest and respectful response to this topic. JOE!!! If you see this please let us know how you feel about this discussion!!

Yes- he has posted in the past.

I remember a thread months ago in which he asked about places to play in Austin because he recently moved there

 

[realkingcobra]

I know he has said in the past the problem with trying to have a podcast with pool as the topic would be too short or not interesting enough.

I get that but with Jayson now having the top run in 14:1 and Rogan being a decent player that understands the game do you think he could make it happen?

If not I would like to see maybe a mini episode with him and Jayson or any other top player. Joe Rogan has 11 MILLION viewers for every podcast that he does!!

I know he loves the game and has a big heart but what do you think he could do to make it interesting enough? I personally think you would have to have some of the old time guys talk about their road stories. Nothing I’ve ever heard is more colorful than a good road story!!!

Thoughts…..

How many of his 11M viewers play pool, or care anything about pool? He didn't build 11M viewers talking about pool in the past. Think his sponsors would pay as much if the topic was pool instead of Mike Tyson talking about eating mushrooms?

 

[realkingcobra]

He is the biggest media outlet in the Untied States and possibly the world. Even fox doesn’t come close and they are second in ratings.

Only a pool player would make that statement

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All RKC has to do is stop with the 'i'm gonna save pool' nonsense and people might give him some air. He can't do it because he's delusional and nothing but a talker.

You think you can just ask sponsors to give up some money to support pool, everyone thinks corporations should take pitty on this sport and just give it money, but no one, not even you garczar can answer the Corporations first question, "What's in it for us if we sponsor the sport of pool?" I'd love to hear your answer to that question seeing how you think you're so smart!!! What I'm working on is not an over night plan, the sponsorship has to be able to last for years, and be able to attract more sponsors! Think you can land a sponsor faster than Jasyon Shaw ran 714 balls?

 

[Bavafongoul]

The solution is a united effort by everyone involved in the game to help promote it.

Start a program totally dedicated to growing and promoting the game of billiards.
Funding would be through membership participation. Cue makers, case makers,
table manufacturers, pool ball manufacturers, misc. suppliers, etc. would contribute
an annual fee and all of the money would go towards promoting the sport. Launch
a reverse theme program like the ‘62 movie, The Music Man, condemning pool. So
instead promote a sports program in high schools forming teams and sponsoring a
national championship. If the kids are involved, rest assured so are the parents. Go
after the senior market by pool halls offering to work with senior living centers and
arrange weekly outings. Do the same thing with high schools adopting pool as an
elective class, “Learning Billiards.” like they offer with golf, chess and music in HS.

Promote after school activities with community centers providing pool equipment free of
charge. Create summer leagues for teenagers, father/son & mother/ daughter tournaments.
Start building a foundation for growth of the sport rather than just continuing the status quo
which isn’t working. Start a national pool league merging all of the current programs but that
probably wouldn’t happen so have a national playoff for APA, BCA, or any other associations.
Promote the game of pool by consolidating the overall effort to popularize it as great recreation.
Something has to be done differently or else the forecast just isn’t going to change which is bad.

 

[gerryf]

The problem with Pool as a TV sport is that even among the vast majority of players, it is a participation activity not one they want to watch.
Ask around at your next league or tournament. I find that very few players follow the sport. Few even know who the pros are or how they are doing. I hang out with a lot of very active players, there are only a couple that can have a conversation about the pro scene. The rest only know Efren or Earl.
Not sure how you expect to bring in huge numbers of viewers when the people who play the game don't care to watch it. And no, ESPN isn't the answer. Very few people under 40 watch cable tv. Streaming is the future, viewers will have more options to watch what they want exclusively. It would be nice to be able to pay for one stream to watch the pro's but there is not currently a tour. So we are stuck with 100's of different streams to find and pay for. Having one or 2 would be better. The quality would improve. Look at Matchroom or Accu-Stats. To me, these are the gold standard. Camera work and announcers are tv production level. All the other streams with one camera position and announcers reading the chats need to die off or be free streams on facebook live.

I agree with much of this.

Among the players and leagues in my area, not very many people pay attention to the pro scene. With the straight pool high run attempts, only a handful knew it was going on, and only a few of that same handful watched any of it.

I agree that pool is not much of a spectator sport, and not many players stick around to watch other players.

But snooker is a real spectator sport in Europe. The quality of the snooker productions in Europe is much higher. The instant replay is used a lot. In pool, the commentator says "that was a great shot", and then talks about it but has no instant replay.

The quality of commentator in snooker is also better. I was watching one pool match, where the two commentators were rambling about other things, and the player made a shot and the people reacted. One commentator said "What just happened?", and the second commentator said "I don't know, I wasn't paying attention."

 

[Black-Balled]

It never fails to amaze me...the lack of objectivity displayed by pool people, when it comes to talking about pool.

 

[skogstokig]

Does Joe Rogan have an account on here? Do you think he will see this and chime in? How awesome would it be if Joe came in to tell us how he feels about it and what his OPINION would be about pool and what can be done.

I really feel he would have a very honest and respectful response to this topic. JOE!!! If you see this please let us know how you feel about this discussion!!

i think he does/did have an account before he became the biggest podcaster in the world. the only thing pool related to my knowledge on that show was when he invited TAR justin. was not a big hit, or atleast i can't imagine it was. maybe he should invite justnum justin instead and study that very weird brain.

on a serious note, this topic pops up a couple of times every year and it's rather obvious that it's a dead end discussion. at best he could interview some pool player on his show. the only interesting ones i can think of are earl, pagulayan and rodney morris. they/their life stories might be interesting to the general public, unlike the rest who are only interesting to us pool fans.

 

[Dan_B]

...I'm thinking, someday into the future, one would see a Joe Rogan and/or a Janette Lee as an Owner and/or a trainer when reading the race program.

 

[Dead Money]

Yes- he has posted in the past.

I remember a thread months ago in which he asked about places to play in Austin because he recently moved there

Yes..it is true.

He's a busy guy doing well for himself.

 

[Patrick Johnson]

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[Toxictom]

The best thing he could do for pool is to have Jason Shaw on his show. Both Earl and Jason would make for a good episode.

 

[Swighey]

As a private club, a better level of overall competition. Anyone willing to commit to a couple thousand
dollars annually is surely a more serious minded and likely stronger overall pool player. The facility and
equipment would receive more care and attention since every player has a vested interest in keeping the
place and equipment in tip top condition. Table availability could be 24/7 with keycard access and CCTV
to ensure members don’t abuse their membership privileges. There wouldn’t be deafening music played
like at so many pool halls. There’d be the sense of being a elite pool player, like Cypress Point Golf Club.
You don’t get to play there unless a member invites and accompanies you for a round of golf. The same
would be true for a private billiards club. Take out some 9’ tables and add a 12’ snooker & billiards tables.
It would be so much more pleasant, cleaner atmosphere and more available than just going to a pool hall.

Golf sucks for all of these reasons.

 

[Swighey]

He is the biggest media outlet in the Untied States and possibly the world. Even fox doesn’t come close and they are second in ratings.

You must be living in a different world than the rest of us. Most people have never heard of him. Some of those that have never heard of him have heard of Kim Kardashian but most of them haven't.

I expect Matchroom to do an excellent job with pool and make it, like darts, a "minor major sport". I don't think it will reach anything like 500k GBP for winning the world championship like in darts but I can see it going above 100k USD for the two blue ribbon events alongside a solid global tour. Even then most people won't know anything about it. It isn't tennis, golf, the EPL, heavyweight boxing or Squid Game.

 

[Poolplaya9]

I think there is some false belief that because he plays a little pool and knows some players he may be a benefactor. There is no reason to believe that. I'm not sure what lasting benefit he could provide.

I agree, but there is also a false belief that because he likes pool, and because he has the ability to do so, that he should do something to help pool, and you are one of those that made this very clear insinuation which is what I was talking about.

He is no more obligated to help pool than anybody else out there and his obligation, morally or otherwise, is exactly zero. As long as he isn't hurting anybody in the process, he has the 100%, not 99.9%, but 100% right to spend his time and money wherever the hell he wants to for whatever the hell the reason he feels like, and it isn't anybody else's place to feel he should be doing otherwise with HIS money/time.

 

[Poolplaya9]

Does Joe Rogan have an account on here? Do you think he will see this and chime in? How awesome would it be if Joe came in to tell us how he feels about it and what his OPINION would be about pool and what can be done.

I really feel he would have a very honest and respectful response to this topic. JOE!!! If you see this please let us know how you feel about this discussion!!

Not only does he have an account here (and used to participate a bit more here and there especially in the late 2000's), but he participated in at least one thread about what needs to be done to make pool more popular. I remember because he commented agreeing with the partial solution that I had proposed. I don't recall exactly what all I included in that post, but part of it was that you have to spend more time developing the players as characters and letting the audience get to know more of their backgrounds and personalities because the audience needs a reason to care about who wins or loses, a reason to want to root for or against a player, a reason to have a bit of emotional investment in the outcome.

A reason to care is the main thing that provides the reason to want to watch, especially for people who aren't already hardcore fans of that sport or activity. When you find out that so and so runs a charity, now you want to root for him, and want to watch to see him do well. And when you find out that so and so is a d!ck head that treats everybody like crap you want to root against him, and want to watch in the hopes of seeing him get his a$$ handed to him. You have a reason to care how they do which translates into a reason to want to watch.

It is probably the example I used back then in that post because it is an example that I like and a true one, but want to get your wife into football when she otherwise has no interest? All you have to do is tell her this guy over here runs a charity, and that guy over there was arrested for beating his girlfriend, etc. Once she "gets to know" the people behind the names and jersey numbers now she has a reason to care, to have interest, to want to pull for or against them, or to at least feel some kind of emotion which in turn provides the reason to want to watch. This holds true and works for everybody, for every sport. It is literally basics 101 for any sport or television programming, that they all do, and which is incredibly easy to do, and yet pool still won't do it.

 

[eg9327]

One problem I see with pool is that even amateur players don't support their own sport. I am a league amateur that lives in metro Louisville area and have supported DCC for years. I know very many amateur players but only a tiny percentage will bother to go to the event. Most have no interest in professional pool. If we can't get our own comrades interested how do we expect to energize the general population? It will take many viewers to garner a TV spot. I don't see that happening, at least not in today's environment.