I wouldn't either but lots do.
Was more posted as an example of the technology that exists and its pricing in other recreation markets.
Bike frames are far more complex by all measures than a pool shaft.
Is $169 a bad price for a CF shaft?
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Was more posted as an example of the technology that exists and its pricing in other recreation markets.
Bike frames are far more complex by all measures than a pool shaft.
I'm selling them to me, and my goal would be a production run. That's why I asked a question about marketability.
I can pass on a great bargain, but so far I have had a few vocal nits chime in that "you get what you pay for" - I despise paying for nonsense marketing and cult behavior, personally.
Would you ride/trust this? Big difference in a pool cue and something that if it fails could likely kill me. If you offered this to a top pro rider fitted out with Campy/Shimno best shit would they ride it in a major race? Maybe after they took out a 10mil ins. policy. I agree with the pricing system overall. You can buy cf shafts off Ali for 40-50bux. Probably same QC as this frame. Yikes.
That would be a good price however some people would say that’s to cheap can’t be very good. If the shaft plays good and word gets out that it is a good shaft I would say several people would be willing to try one out.
Would I buy one? No. Why? Simply because I have a cf shaft already and I actually like it even though I never thought I would. I simply just don’t buy things I don’t need. A lot of people will however. It’s what keeps the world going around.
Would I buy one? No. Why? Simply because I have a cf shaft already and I actually like it even though I never thought I would. I simply just don’t buy things I don’t need. A lot of people will however. It’s what keeps the world going around.
I went USA!You know you can buy a real frame from Tiawan instead of a Chinese knockoff
(Fine foror this one only...I do have 2 treks that are Taiwan).
I would buy two,
Lots of pros are on Chinese bikes and there are uncountable forum discussions about this...same factories producing major brands' bikes and unbranded ones too.
Some allege the two are identical under the skin and some say they aren't.
Hi idealogist,
I use a CF shaft and have tried the CF shafts from Cuetec, Predator, Konllen, Jacoby and Jay Flowers.
Yes, I would look forward to buying from you if we can keep the deflection as low as the Revo and the same stiffness.
You can PM when you have made the shafts. Thank you for doing this.
Agree. Making a cf shaft is no giant deal these days. Making one that is low-defl is a lil harder. The front-end must be lightened somehow(hollow, lighter foam, no ferrule/light ferrule, etc) to achieve lo-def properties. Predator is now offering cf carom shafts in both lo and stand. deflection now. A lot of 3c playrs like carbon's power but they want it to play closer to wood in deflection.
Dude, shut up! That's not how bargaining works! lolol
I guess its not much different than the old brazed lugged steel days. One of those could(and some did) come apart at lets just say 'inopportune' times. I guess CF manuf. has gotten so good that its hard to find find a bad frame. Any idea how these are tested at factory? Xray or sonic scans? Curious.
I don't have a CF shaft yet. That may change at SBE after I test drive a couple. If SBE is a go this spring.
Problem with your idea is I'm really pissed at China and I'm trying to avoid sending anymore money their way. Sorry for a NPR toned answer but it's a fact. And yeah I know where this phone was made. It's old. Won't do it again. I'll only buy a shaft made elsewhere.
Problem with your idea is I'm really pissed at China and I'm trying to avoid sending anymore money their way. Sorry for a NPR toned answer but it's a fact. And yeah I know where this phone was made. It's old. Won't do it again. I'll only buy a shaft made elsewhere.
Don't buy a CF shaft then. No one in pool is making their tubes in the US.
I'm not manufacturing the shafts in China of that helps your conscience
I assume you don't go to Walmart. They do sell more US stuff then they used to but its still China-central. I think the only cf shaft actually made here is the Revo. They told me they make tubes and complete shafts at their Mass. shop.
Not what Pred told me. I msg'd them and asked this exact question and was told they make tubes there too. All i can go by.
Your profit appears pretty marginal. One thing, I have heard there is a pretty high cull rate on those cheap blanks. Cull 20-30% of them and have some come back due to missing one that should have been culled now and then and your profit disappears. Looking at assembly, handling and such I don't think you can turn a reasonable profit at $169 or even break even. It is an awkward price point for sales too. Might as well make it $189 or $199, sales would be almost exactly the same, net would jump a lot.
I do like carbon fiber and would buy one or two shafts under $200 if the taper profile suited me. The five and six hundred dollar shafts strike me as ridiculously overpriced. On the other hand, wooden shafts that were ridiculously underpriced a few decades ago are riding the price increases of shafts overall and are getting fair market value or above in many instances now. No more fifty dollar shafts for the most part. No doubt somebody in a backyard will make them for that, nobody making a living from cue building is likely to without there being a special reason to.
I would buy one more carbon fiber shaft that suited me for up to $300. Price wouldn't influence my decision to buy or not buy below that. Six and seven hundred dollar shafts seem a bit over the top to me. R&D to get back for some entities but I don't think that took long for most. My price points I have now are based on being a hobby player. Back when I gambled nightly if others accepted the shaft as not marking me I would pay for the one that suited me best, cost not an issue. Racing cars I paid a lot of money for a tenth of a second sometimes. Same with competition guns, price wasn't the major factor. I did gamble nightly for ten years playing off the wall with a hinged cue or three laying around the house. I gave away over a dozen cues in the seventies and eighties, some valuable cues. I didn't want to be marked as a serious player although it was unavoidable over time.
That does raise the question, does your market for a $169 shaft feel the need for one? Internet research is a chancy thing at best. Open up a chance for preorders with a small deposit and guarantee full refunds if you don't make it to market within a year. See how many are willing to plunk down a thirty or forty dollar deposit once you reveal the profile of the shafts. Money talks and BS walks, and sometimes as many as 90% of would be buyers are just tire kickers when it comes time to put down cash.
Good luck if you decide to take this past the daydreaming stage. I would go with not less than 35% mark-up after material and labor. That seems generous but can disappear in a hurry!
Hu
I do like carbon fiber and would buy one or two shafts under $200 if the taper profile suited me. The five and six hundred dollar shafts strike me as ridiculously overpriced. On the other hand, wooden shafts that were ridiculously underpriced a few decades ago are riding the price increases of shafts overall and are getting fair market value or above in many instances now. No more fifty dollar shafts for the most part. No doubt somebody in a backyard will make them for that, nobody making a living from cue building is likely to without there being a special reason to.
I would buy one more carbon fiber shaft that suited me for up to $300. Price wouldn't influence my decision to buy or not buy below that. Six and seven hundred dollar shafts seem a bit over the top to me. R&D to get back for some entities but I don't think that took long for most. My price points I have now are based on being a hobby player. Back when I gambled nightly if others accepted the shaft as not marking me I would pay for the one that suited me best, cost not an issue. Racing cars I paid a lot of money for a tenth of a second sometimes. Same with competition guns, price wasn't the major factor. I did gamble nightly for ten years playing off the wall with a hinged cue or three laying around the house. I gave away over a dozen cues in the seventies and eighties, some valuable cues. I didn't want to be marked as a serious player although it was unavoidable over time.
That does raise the question, does your market for a $169 shaft feel the need for one? Internet research is a chancy thing at best. Open up a chance for preorders with a small deposit and guarantee full refunds if you don't make it to market within a year. See how many are willing to plunk down a thirty or forty dollar deposit once you reveal the profile of the shafts. Money talks and BS walks, and sometimes as many as 90% of would be buyers are just tire kickers when it comes time to put down cash.
Good luck if you decide to take this past the daydreaming stage. I would go with not less than 35% mark-up after material and labor. That seems generous but can disappear in a hurry!
Hu
Cheapest shaft i've seen so far is the Excel by MidwestCarbonTechnology at 250bux(just went up from 220). That to me looks like what you could make a lil $$ at. https://www.facebook.com/excelshaft
Kobachi
Scarred but Smarter
How about also offering pin sizes that other larger brands refuse to? I’d love a CF for my Cog but have a hard time justifying having it cored and tapped for an additional $150. Although at your price point it would definitely take some of that sting away. I’m interested.
DryFlyTrout
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I'd be interested, but I don't buy much without reading a lot of reviews and asking more informed people their opinion. If most had positive feedback, I'd buy one.
At that stated price i would imagine you're only going to see major pin types. Maybe not. MWCT offers just about any pin so i guess its possible. Cog, iirc, uses a pretty strange pin size. 7/16x11 or something like that.