Could this be the Future of Pool?

I agree with Stu and was going to mention the IPT, but he got there first. Will this happen to pool? Probably not in the near future for reasons said above...we don't have the fan base or an organized field, etc, etc, etc.

If I were to offer a $10 million guaranteed prize fund for a new tournament and decide to hold it on the exact dates as the DCC, I'm sure I could easily collapse the tournament . Players will follow the money. Sadly, almost all people have a price and can be bought. That is just the way the world works.

Now be a good pool hustler and get out there an steal some drug money on the pool table! You deserve it!!!
Along with a bullet in the lung of your choice.
 
IPT was doomed from the start although no one knew it. It was being run by a complete(and tried/jailed) con-artist. Don't see this scenario of HUGE $$$ event(s) anytime soon. No one with any brains would throw that kind of money around with little-to-no chance of a return.
I was just talking to someone the other day about predator's and matchroom's recent efforts.

Efforts of that scale have a budget to spend to float them, prior to turning a profit. When that goes and no profit is seen....poof.

I wonder how long they have funded?
 
IPT was doomed from the start although no one knew it. It was being run by a complete(and tried/jailed) con-artist. Don't see this scenario of HUGE $$$ event(s) anytime soon. No one with any brains would throw that kind of money around with little-to-no chance of a return.
KT was banking on the gambling angle with the IPT. He had a deal with some Chinese casino (I think) which fell through. KT didn't do anything that didn't profit him.
 
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KT was banking on the gambling angle with the IPT. He had a deal with some Chinese casino (I think) which fell through. KT didn't do anything that didn't profit him.
The IPT had played 3 of its 4 (and only) events when KT tried selling IPT to Macau billionaire Stanley Ho's company. The deal fell thru. 'Ol Stan was too sharp for KT's line of shit.
 
I agree with Stu and was going to mention the IPT, but he got there first. Will this happen to pool? Probably not in the near future for reasons said above...we don't have the fan base or an organized field, etc, etc, etc.

If I were to offer a $10 million guaranteed prize fund for a new tournament and decide to hold it on the exact dates as the DCC, I'm sure I could easily collapse the tournament . Players will follow the money. Sadly, almost all people have a price and can be bought. That is just the way the world works.

Now be a good pool hustler and get out there an steal some drug money on the pool table! You deserve it!!!



For $10,000,000.00 the DCC would die, andd do be history.

Pool is is severe need of facelift, remove hustling, gambling, and people dumping game to manipulate their winnings.

Las Vegas will not take a bet on pool, they got burned, and did not forget.
 
Tru dat, but in this crazy world that can happen in a school room. Not that I would ever approve of the mafia, but at least they had an honor code. Society has developed a mental illness. Unfortunately, I believe the worst is to come.
It's our politicians that have the mental illness. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A GUN FREE ZONE! Thinking a "No Guns" sign has magical powers is a mental illness. Why do all of these shootings happen in these zones?
 
It's our politicians that have the mental illness. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A GUN FREE ZONE! Thinking a "No Guns" sign has magical powers is a mental illness. Why do all of these shootings happen in these zones?
Does that mean that “drug free” zones in the hood actually have drugs? I saw those signs too…..

I know when I see a sign that says it’s “something” free zone. That’s where the highest amount of what’s not suppose to be there is at.

Just sayin’
 
I love the idea of choices. People should be free to earn as much as they are able to. I strongly dislike the PGA's response. Like OP said, leagues should earn market share by making their league attractive to participate in rather than the threat of exclusion. In this particular instance, the people throwing the money around are rather distasteful.

It would be interesting to see which pool and/or snooker players would defect to a league run by a despot for a large check.
Imagine the Sinaloa Cartel 9 Ball World Tour...
The answer is ALL that it's offered to.

Jaden
 
IPT was doomed from the start although no one knew it. It was being run by a complete(and tried/jailed) con-artist. Don't see this scenario of HUGE $$$ event(s) anytime soon. No one with any brains would throw that kind of money around with little-to-no chance of a return.
Of course, you may well be right, but the IPT example still teaches us a valuable lesson about how the pro players would likely react in the eventuality of the emergence of a seemingly more profitable course of action within pro pool.

That said, many a crook and con artist has run a profitable business and turned a significant profit for those that tagged along, so the fact that Trudeau was dishonest did not necessarily mean his IPT venture would fail. On an obviously grander scale, the IPT failed for the same reason that the Bonus Ball venture failed --- committing to giant fixed costs before the revenue model was fully validated.
 
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I can't remember all the details, but isn't this similar to the story about chinese 8ball in Europe in 2019?
JOY wanted to launch a Chinese 8ball EuroTour series and the EPBF threatened to ban all players, who would participate in these tournaments, from all European pool related events?
 
I can't remember all the details, but isn't this similar to the story about chinese 8ball in Europe in 2019?
JOY wanted to launch a Chinese 8ball EuroTour series and the EPBF threatened to ban all players, who would participate in these tournaments, from all European pool related events?
This clash occurred under my radar, and it's very similar to what's going on in golf. In golf, numerous PGA players asked, unsuccessfully, for a waiver to play in the inaugural LIV golf tour event.

Based on what you've said, the EPBF in 2019 was, in essence, announcing in advance that no waivers to play in Europe-based Chinese 8-ball events would be granted, and that those who chose to play Chinese 8-ball in Europe would lose their eligibility to compete in EPBF events.

By putting JOY on alert, it seems, based on what you've suggested, that EPBF's strategy obstructed that business venture. Still, in the case of LIV golf, the venture went forward despite the fact that the PGA had denied several of its top players the waivers requested. Many top players made it clear they'd play the LIV golf event despite having failed to attain the requested waiver, knowing they would surely be disciplined severely. Some of them, such as Kevin Na, opted to resign from the PGA tour.

On the other hand, the comparison of what happened with JOY and what happened with the 2006 IPT doesn't really work. That's because, in most cases, players didn't even ask for a waiver and organizations like BCA, WPBA, UPA, for the most part, chose not to kick up a stink over such actions. I think these organizations took the view that they could coexist with the IPT, which was only scheduled to play for about four weeks in the entire calendar year.

It's all very tricky, but whether it's the pool business, the golf business or any other business, executives go to great lengths to defend their market positions, and their means of doing so isn't always pretty.
 
Of course, you may well be right, but the IPT example still teaches us a valuable lesson about how the pro players would likely react in the eventuality of the emergence of a seemingly more profitable course of action within pro pool.

That said, many a crook and con artist has run a profitable business and turned a significant profit for those that tagged along, so the fact that Trudeau was dishonest did not necessarily mean his IPT venture would fail. On an obviously grander scale, the IPT failed for the same reason that the Bonus Ball venture failed --- committing to giant fixed costs before the revenue model was fully validated.
Tip of the ice berg Stu on BB, but yea that was the main reason. They lost a ton.

Great post
Eric 😃
 
I can't remember all the details, but isn't this similar to the story about chinese 8ball in Europe in 2019?
JOY wanted to launch a Chinese 8ball EuroTour series and the EPBF threatened to ban all players, who would participate in these tournaments, from all European pool related events?
Yup. And there is an actual "war" of this kind going on in English pool, with competing federations putting bans. The EPBF is very aggressively fighting over "their" turf, which in their minds is all of cue sports. They don't want competitors in any kind of cue sports, so they'll happily sabotage any newcomer, even if that cuesport is something they'll never do anything to promote themselves. The main part is for them to keep power and positions. They don't really care about the actual people playing the games or the game itself. All sport federations are deeply corrupt. IOC is probably the most openly corrupt organization operating in the Western world. It's full of decadent, corrupt and greedy politicians and ex athletes, taking advantage of volunteer work done by enthusiastic and naive volunteers, in order to enrich themselves and their cronies. This is mostly done with bribes or extremely lucrative "do nothing" positions. The individual sporting federations are at best marginally better, but mostly the same, on a smaller scale of course. I could tell you horror stories from our local federation, but I don't think I have to, because the federations are all the same. Sexual harrasment of female athletes by dirty old men in the administration, favouritism, economic shenanigans, and the absolute minimum amount of work done to actually promote the game, take your pick.

I have been on the receiving end of sanctions, due to parttaking in Chinese 8 ball and Blackball tournaments. The EBPF can f-off as far as I'm concerned.
 
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There is absolutely no reason the pga tour should allow someone to come along and make them the minor leagues. The players that are jumping ship are being short sighted. I doubt if it will work out well for them.
 
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