I think so too. If pool gets half as big as snooker money wise it would be nice.I just hope MR doesn't become the 'pro pool bully' and refuses to work with other events/tours. There's enough to go around.
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I think golf just has more glue than pool. That has to be it.
It’s such a joke this guy comes here with all this babble for no apparent reason other than to blow his own horn.
Dave
The pro's don't mind dead money in a tournament. It is the amateurs that put the pro's out that they whine about!
There are several issues. The primary issue is there isn't that much difference between an amateur having a great day and a pro having an average or slightly above average day. Add to this formats that don't favor consistency over peak play and we get to the root of the pro vs amateur controversy.
I am willing to be fair about things. Require a pro card to play in more than two pro events a year. Automatic one year suspension for any pro caught gambling for cash with anyone that doesn't have a pro card.
Amateurs have to be able to test the waters in their local pro events or else there will be no new pro's and pool will die. If pro's want to be put on a pedestal they can't rob amateurs any time they take a notion. Playing amateurs for cash just emphasizes the lack of reason to treat pro's as something special too.
Pro events should have a dress code to resemble pro's in other active noncontact sports. Tennis and bowling come to mind. Nothing with extra holes in it, solid color shirts and pants. No slogans from anyone other than your sponsor or the event's sponsor, size and content to come into play also. If people want to be treated like pro's they need to look and act like pro's.
Hu
When cell phone use interferes with pool repeatedly I just wander off and find somebody to talk to when they are on the cell instead of shooting. I will keep talking until the other player comes get me. "Oh, you seemed busy on your cell." Lather, rinse, repeat. Even the dimmest bulb eventually figures out they need to put the cell phone down.
Bringing a book would work great too I suspect: "Just let me finish this chapter."
People in a nontournament setting will flat be asked if they can park the cell phone while playing if it has been an issue in the past. If they can't park it, we aren't playing. I understand taking the rare important call, chatting I find rude.
Hu
R.I.F.
Even at very large venues, tables available to the public (during tournaments) are often not the same, maintained, or set up as well as what the pros are competing on.
BTW: (RKC?) Just curious. How significant is the difference in how a table plays depending on who recovers/sets it up (assuming only between expert/experienced mechanics)? I only ask because, while you expect new cloth will better allow cheating the corner, often the reverse is true after a re-cover, or vice-vera (GCs that used to drop clean, will bobble, and Diamonds that used to hang up, will slip in….go figure).
I don’t play or watch golf, so I wonder if cell phones are such an issue there also? Do courses restrict them? I can’t imagine they would allow play to slow while golfers chatted or site-surfed (?), not to mention ringing while you putted.
dendweller
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I don't know, I've played a boat load of golf in my life and I'm not wealthy. I think that country clubs are a rich mans domain, I don't think golf is.
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No shit. Cars too complicated to work on, music that lacks gusto, social gambling becoming passe’, younger generations apparent strangers to language or dress decorum, etc., etc. Extended life expectancy has it’s downsides.It’s tough being old school.
dendweller
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On another note, the place I play golf at most has a deal where it's 140 a month for unlimited play. This is a course with 45 holes, all in the 6200 yd area. If I total up what it cost me in day passes for playing 4 days a week at the place I play pool at it's more. So in my area, it's actually more expensive to play pool than golf.
Ditto no shiit. I do enjoy meeting young people that have plans, goals, their head on straight… speak like ladies and gentlemen.
I unfortunately can't agree with that. The longer races being the answer I mean. I do agree that substantial sponsorship is the key to rapid/successful growth. I don't believe boring viewers with longer races is the answer though. Viewers don't pay attention for sake of the commercials. They require the stuff inbetween to engage them.
I personally believe that multiple short races could be the answer. I'm not suggesting the Predator format of 2 short sets and shootout. However I think they may be coming close to something that might hold the attention of the casual viewer.
Rather than a winner break race to 9 or 11. I'd rather see a very short set winner break format, when several sets are required to win the match. Think a set of Tennis, (if you're familiar). Consider a lag for break, and then a winner breaks race to 3 or 4. Then the opponent opens the next set. So on and so forth until you reach the total required for winning the match. Make the match a race to 3 sets and the final a race to 5.
This really translates to a normal race to 9 or 12. However what you have is not only a change of "serve", by alternating the opening break of each set, but also maintain the winner breaks format people seem to love within the individual sets.
I'm sure to most pool players that seems like a real goofy format. ...but what you get is winner break so you still see racks strung together, change of serve so you get to see the skill of the other player, and the very short race puts a ton of pressure on the opening breaker to win "their turn" at the table. Errors become notable blunders that can become major holes to overcome.
Yes and no... Everything being called "the best" doesn't help anything. However changing up what the players play on can add novelty that may engage some viewers. Imagine if the USopen was played on the dominate table of the United States... A tournament where all these international players had to deal with BB sized tables. Now jump on a plane and play the world cup of pool on a 9ft. Hop skip and another jump to the China Open that's played on a chinese 8ball table. The 4 majors in tennis are done on 4 different surfaces, and holding the "Grand Slam" (all 4 in same calendar year) is a feat of notable regard.
I don't think 'pro' equipment is necessary for the junior players. Sure it would be great, but I don't think that standard needs to go beyond the part of the world they live. The real problem here isn't the supposed lack of standard, but trying to get room owners to maintain equipment to pro level. ....what's the point of standard pocket openings if the rails are dead and the cloth torn....?
Matchroom is developing their own standards. This isn't something that comes out of the gate as a perfect product. Frankly I'd be fine with it if all other entities dropped off the face of the earth and we had only MR calling the shots. It's probably the only way a real 'standard' will flush out.
Nongolfer here too so I don't know their rules or their rules of etiquette. Sharking seems to be a big thing so rules to control it I imagine.
Hu
the lessening of gambling has hurt the poolrooms. despite what the fun players will say.
gamblers would hang out all day and make the place look full. and did buy some amount of drinks and food. plus when they matched up many times it lasted all day long where as fun players dont play all day as a rule.
and yes those that fought the smoking bans hurt themselves as the people with money are the ones that tend not to smoke as often. and they are the ones who play longer and spend money on drinks. and buy their cues form the house. places that went smoke free found more customers after the smoke cleared to say.
those that waited, lost most of their non smoking customers and they havent returned as they found other outlets.
some have survived especially in the south where smoking is more widespread.
gamblers would hang out all day and make the place look full. and did buy some amount of drinks and food. plus when they matched up many times it lasted all day long where as fun players dont play all day as a rule.
and yes those that fought the smoking bans hurt themselves as the people with money are the ones that tend not to smoke as often. and they are the ones who play longer and spend money on drinks. and buy their cues form the house. places that went smoke free found more customers after the smoke cleared to say.
those that waited, lost most of their non smoking customers and they havent returned as they found other outlets.
some have survived especially in the south where smoking is more widespread.
Coos Cues
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The distance between the bases is 90 feet from 6th grade right on up to the major leagues. 60 feet six inches from the pitchers mound to the plate. Where the dimensions in baseball intersect with pocket size is in the outfield. There is no standard for the distance from home plate to the outfield fence that I know of at any level.
6th grade? No. LOL! Where are y'all getting this?
Base paths do not hit 90' until high school. Hopefully this puts it all to rest.
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yeah, thought he would fit in at a jazz club too.
The RT for softball is crazy. IIRC, 70mph softball pitch needs to be ~100ms faster in RT vs a 90mph pitch. I never understood fastpitch softball, though. Why not just play baseball, at that point.