WWYD to run 3 & out.
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If the CB and 4 ball were further apart (as in diagram) and the same cut angle I wouldn't need to use as much 11 O'clock English or maybe only 12 O'clock.
But, because the CB & OB are only 0.5-0.7 diamonds apart it needs the Extreme effect because the CB doesn't have distance and time to have natural forward roll to take effect.
The stroke a player uses on this type of shot is essential. It has to be very, 'smooth with an exaggerated follow-through.'
I'm sorry, it must be my fault because you're not understanding what I'm asking.
I don't care what would have happened if the four ball were in a different position.
What I'm asking is, for the actual shot. If you hadn't hit it with the inside, isn't it true that it would have rebounded off the rail much wider than it actually did and ended up much further up table, missing shape on the 11 ball?
It seems to me that the inside was necessary to shorten the rebound angle to get the shape you did. You said that wasn't the case.
Please help me understand why.
Thanks!
If I applied 11 O'clock English, naturally it has 'inside' English. The point is I needed 'More' follow on the CB than inside from the original position of the CB & 4 ball. If the shot Only needed more inside I would of used 10 O'clock.
BTW, where are you located in FL.?
Just outside of Orlando.
So we both agree, the inside was necessary to shorten the rebound to get the shape.
I guess I misunderstood when I thought you disagreed with that…
Thanks for the insight.
Do you know Mike Delawder?Just outside of Orlando.
So we both agree, the inside was necessary to shorten the rebound to get the shape.
I guess I misunderstood when I thought you disagreed with that…
Thanks for the insight.
He knows me. I'm in Cocoa Beach.
What would be nice is if there were more in-person get-togethers. Then Party A and Party B could have a little contest, each one doing it his way. Keep score with $20 bills. We could bet on the side, too.
I don't carry $20's, I might get arrested for vagrancy. LOL!
They just could of said You are a 'Platinum' member Bob.
I seem to recall a 10× Fuller video that took 3 or 4 tries to succeed. I wouldn't be trying to match or out do that
You are not familiar with the procedure. One must wait until the bet is up.I seem to recall a 10× Fuller video that took 3 or 4 tries to succeed. I wouldn't be trying to match or out do that
I am not saying that this info explains the shot , I am just trying to help. you learn. There was a booklet called The Wagon Wheel, by a guy named Ted G Brown,, that demonstrated the angles with just follow or draw or center ball , with differnt heights on the cueball no sidespin , Now that I think of it Dr. Dave and Bob Jewett I believe, did a study on it . Anyway, that is valuable information ,because it gets your mind trained for the angles without side spin on different hits on the object ball. Then when you need to apply spin , you are not guessing so much. Mr. 3 C has of course gone levels above that , {Dr Dave and Bob may have also, I have not had the energy to study the information, so I can't say.} he is using a decimal system which would be mighty nice to know . If there were time. Just a basic idea of the wagon Wheel system would probably be extremely valuable for those who do have limited time to study.
As far as the stroke , we may not be able to do it , even if he showed us , it took me about a week 60 years ago, to learn how to draw the cueball 3 inches ,lol
Good luck.
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If I understand correctly, the shot is a combination of the correct english, but can only be done with the correct stroke. I believe from some of your other posts that the way you strike a ball is much different than most players because of your 3 cushion training.. Is that correct
Yep, I know Mike well. I'm actually in Sanford and play out of Racks.
There's someone who can bank a bit!
I tried the pattern today for about half an hour. The pattern as shown in the original post is possible but it is very touchy for the amount of left spin. Because you are hitting the first ball nearly full, a little bit of side is turned into quite a bit of side relative to the speed of the cue ball. (I think the multiplier is about 6 or 7 if you look at the physics.) It took maybe 20 tries to get position on the 11. I usually had too much side on the cue ball so it came back towards where it started. The exact cut angle on the 4 makes a huge difference to the action especially if the pocket cannot be cheated.
My best results were with dead draw to go straight to shape on the 11. The cut angle is too small to use lively draw. Dead draw gives a wider spread to go through the 15-5 window. If you do have too much draw but hit the right side of the 5 you can still end up with a good result. Some shots ended up to the left of the 11 and a circus shot would have been required to get on the 15, but usually there was a shot on the 15 that could have continued the run.
If I had to run 3 here, I would never try the follow shot.
My best results were with dead draw to go straight to shape on the 11. The cut angle is too small to use lively draw. Dead draw gives a wider spread to go through the 15-5 window. If you do have too much draw but hit the right side of the 5 you can still end up with a good result. Some shots ended up to the left of the 11 and a circus shot would have been required to get on the 15, but usually there was a shot on the 15 that could have continued the run.
If I had to run 3 here, I would never try the follow shot.
Could you explain
1)because you are hitting the first ball pretty full alittle side spin turns into alot of side spin
2) what does”dead “draw mean
Thanks bob
I missed the part where we determined how many barrels we got left as we approach that shot?!?!
I saw no reason to try the easy, obvious way. I thought we were working on the tough outs for practice.Bob I am guessing you never hit a power draw where whitey jumped forward a foot then drew back and billiarded all 3 balls towards your hole?