107 Breaks & 6 Chances

David in FL said:
Something's definitely off.

With a template rack and 9-ball, I would've said it's impossible to only make a ball on the break 6 times out of a hundred.

I've never really tracked it, but it feels like I should expect north of 50% on a 9' table and a lot better than that on a bar box...
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"The final numbers the last two days are 107 breaks and only 6 chances to run out. And yes, I realize Efren might have had maybe ten chances to run out. But that was it."

Anyway his pattern is to come on here and complain and not respond or listen to anyone, so there is that. He claims to have tried lots of different things, but I don't believe it. Performance this consistently terrible is not possible, unless you are doing something horribly wrong, consistently. Here is Niels with some tips on 9 on the spot breaking with 3 point rule, which is close to the worst case scenario, only missing the break box for a perfectly horrible rule-set. A majority of the pointers can be used for 1 on the spot as well. This is the best tutorial on the break I've ever seen for modern rule sets, he even explains how to make adjustments. There really is no excuse for sucking after watching this. Our friend won't listen, though:

 
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Straightpool_99 said:
... Performance this consistently terrible is not possible ....
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It's amazing what a human can accomplish with 100% determination. ;)
Straightpool_99 said:
... close to the worst case scenario, only missing the [WNT] break box ...
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Lately on the WNT the players are not putting the cue ball on the extreme side of the box. Many seem to be breaking only a ball or two from the center.
 
DrCue'sProtege said:
As some may realize I had new Apple Green Simonis 860 put on the Gold Crown IV a couple of weeks ago. The last two days I have been doing nothing but racking and breaking racks of 9-Ball. After the first ten or so breaks with either nothing down, no shot, or both I decided to keep track.

The final numbers the last two days are 107 breaks and only 6 chances to run out. And yes, I realize Efren might have had maybe ten chances to run out. But that was it.

And to answer any questions:
1) Yes, I've had the dehumidifier running.
2) Yes, I've changed CB positions.
3) Yes, I've changed speeds.
4) Yes, I've changed CBs.
5) Yes, I am using a template.

This type of futility just ruins my enthusiasm for the game.

r/DCP
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So what were those break-and-run chance stats before you changed the cloth? If anything, with the new cloth, they should have gotten higher, not lower.
 
FYI,
I never said I only made a ball 6 times out of 107 breaks. I said I either failed to make a ball, had no shot, or both.

The last few days it's gotten a little better.

And for those that posted 20+ year old threads of me commenting - not complaining - about this, yes, they are right. This has usually been a problem on my Gold Crown IV. That's why in the past I have contemplated selling it and getting a Diamond.
 
DrCue'sProtege said:
FYI,
I never said I only made a ball 6 times out of 107 breaks. I said I either failed to make a ball, had no shot, or both.

The last few days it's gotten a little better.

And for those that posted 20+ year old threads of me commenting - not complaining - about this, yes, they are right. This has usually been a problem on my Gold Crown IV. That's why in the past I have contemplated selling it and getting a Diamond.
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It ain't the table. Randy told me that, you know the mechanic you had come recover your table.
 
This just continues to plague me.

I went down to the table after the St. Louis game was over and broke about 25 racks. I had one (1) chance to run out. And it wasn't easy.

I was watching a Accu-Stats video last night. It was back in the year 2000. Bill Incardona made a comment about the Gold Crown IV being a stingy table. I must have the stingiest one they made.
 
I was going to post another thread about this but I decided to search and found this one from a few months back.

Folks, this Diamond Professional table cannot get here fast enough. Went back down to the table tonight and broke 37 racks. Three - 3 - chances to run out. That was it - just three.

Balls seem to go in at a fairly decent rate but I just never seem to have a spread that is runnable. I hope and pray that the new Diamond table will alleviate this problem - even if it's just slightly.

r/DCP
 
If you’re willing to pay travel to and from and my offer of a discounted daily rate, I’m available to help, DM me. Or you could follow the advice once given by Jerry Briesath, take 2 weeks off and then quit.
 
DrCue'sProtege said:
I was going to post another thread about this but I decided to search and found this one from a few months back.

Folks, this Diamond Professional table cannot get here fast enough. Went back down to the table tonight and broke 37 racks. Three - 3 - chances to run out. That was it - just three.

Balls seem to go in at a fairly decent rate but I just never seem to have a spread that is runnable. I hope and pray that the new Diamond table will alleviate this problem - even if it's just slightly.

r/DCP
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that's still an improvement, percentage wise. well done, brunswick.
 
The spreads are runnable, it's just you confuse yourself with the top pros you see on youtube and your abilities, you're just not them, it's that simple. Owning a beautiful Diamond professional my self for the last 5 yrs, I'm afraid you're in for a reality check once the cloth breaks in on that new Diamond you are supposedly getting.
You might have been better just buying a new set of balls, and a Ballstar cleaner. The balls look incredible after cleaning, and have a real slippery feel. They scatter on the break.
 
DrCue'sProtege said:
I was going to post another thread about this but I decided to search and found this one from a few months back.

Folks, this Diamond Professional table cannot get here fast enough. Went back down to the table tonight and broke 37 racks. Three - 3 - chances to run out. That was it - just three.

Balls seem to go in at a fairly decent rate but I just never seem to have a spread that is runnable. I hope and pray that the new Diamond table will alleviate this problem - even if it's just slightly.

r/DCP
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You should play in DCC. That can't be too far from you.
 
DrCue'sProtege said:
I was going to post another thread about this but I decided to search and found this one from a few months back.

Folks, this Diamond Professional table cannot get here fast enough. Went back down to the table tonight and broke 37 racks. Three - 3 - chances to run out. That was it - just three.

Balls seem to go in at a fairly decent rate but I just never seem to have a spread that is runnable. I hope and pray that the new Diamond table will alleviate this problem - even if it's just slightly.

r/DCP
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Hate to wade in, but didn’t I see in one of your threads that you’re using a template? Is so, I find it hard to believe your numbers. All you need is a look at the one and it’s a potentially runnable rack. Three out of thirty seven seems crazy, something other than the table is the problem.

Maybe it’s just the definition of “runnable.”
 
The definition of runnable to me is: "made a ball", "Half-decent chance to pocket a ball after the break". (that includes bank and/or some sort of creative shot)

Clusters do NOT matter. A runout player will deal with them.

DCP: what is your definition?
 
DrCue'sProtege said:
I was going to post another thread about this but I decided to search and found this one from a few months back.

Folks, this Diamond Professional table cannot get here fast enough. Went back down to the table tonight and broke 37 racks. Three - 3 - chances to run out. That was it - just three.

Balls seem to go in at a fairly decent rate but I just never seem to have a spread that is runnable. I hope and pray that the new Diamond table will alleviate this problem - even if it's just slightly.

r/DCP
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Have you moved your cue ball break position around? Try just breaking from the dead center and learn what it feels like to contact the one ball with a true, full hit. I know this is the "old" way of breaking - but try it.

Are you standing up higher on the break to allow for more power?

Is your break cue light or heavy? Maybe you aren't generating the speed you need to.

Is your grip nice and LOOSE. This supports speed.

There are lots of factors and considerations. Odds are it's more a skill level/technique thing, than whether you're on a gold crown or diamond. In fact, gold crowns are WAY softer to break and run out on than a Diamond.

My personal best 9 ball performance was running a 3 pack, in the finals of a decent 9 ball tournament back in VA. We were playing on a tight Diamond. I had to beat a former state champion twice to win. I beat him the first set - but couldn't (and really wasn't supposed to) do it twice. For a B- level player, I'm still proud of that performance.
 
Matt_24 said:
Have you moved your cue ball break position around? Try just breaking from the dead center and learn what it feels like to contact the one ball with a true, full hit. I know this is the "old" way of breaking - but try it.

Are you standing up higher on the break to allow for more power?

Is your break cue light or heavy? Maybe you aren't generating the speed you need to.

Is your grip nice and LOOSE. This supports speed.

There are lots of factors and considerations. Odds are it's more a skill level/technique thing, than whether you're on a gold crown or diamond. In fact, gold crowns are WAY softer to break and run out on than a Diamond.

My personal best 9 ball performance was running a 3 pack, in the finals of a decent 9 ball tournament back in VA. We were playing on a tight Diamond. I had to beat a former state champion twice to win. I beat him the first set - but couldn't (and really wasn't supposed to) do it twice. For a B- level player, I'm still proud of that performance.
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This is not a slight to you at all. Sorry if it reads that way.

I love how have years of this ridiculous shit we are still giving him advice. Some of which he takes to no avail, other advice he just writes off as "it wont work".

The only way to actually get to the bottom of it is to either:
a. Shoot with him in person and see exactly what is happening.
b. Him make a video and show us what is happening.

Neither of those things he is willing to do.

We are not experts. We are simply players too, but we all have different levels of skill and experience.

The other thing... he never leaves his basement. He does not play competitively... at all. He has no knowledge at all of what play at his level should actually look like and is instead comparing himself to pros. His one foray into league play resulted in him thinking the other players were beneath him if I remember correctly.
 
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Bravo Icon Of Sin finally someone that makes sense we are not pros just pool players doing our best .
 
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