Dumping - caught

primary federal wire fraud statute is 18 U.S.C. § 1343.
Here is the key operative language:
“Whoever, having devised or intending to devise any scheme or artifice to defraud, or for obtaining money or property by means of false or fraudulent pretenses, representations, or promises, transmits or causes to be transmitted by means of wire, radio, or television communication in interstate or foreign commerce, any writings, signs, signals, pictures, or sounds for the purpose of executing such scheme or artifice, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both.”
 
18 U.S.C. § 371, the language most relevant to a collusion or match-fixing scenario is the first paragraph:
“If two or more persons conspire either to commit any offense against the United States, or to defraud the United States, or any agency thereof in any manner or for any purpose, and one or more of such persons do any act to effect the object of the conspiracy…”
That is the core conspiracy language prosecutors rely on.
The important concepts inside it are:
“two or more persons conspire”
→ an agreement or coordinated plan between people
“to commit any offense against the United States”
→ the agreement is aimed at violating another federal law (for example wire fraud or sports bribery)
“one or more… do any act”
→ at least one overt act must occur to advance the plan
In a hypothetical match-fixing case, prosecutors might argue:
two players agreed to rig a match,
the purpose was to commit wire fraud or sports bribery,
and overt acts included texts, payments, betting activity, or intentionally losing.
The conspiracy statute itself does not define the underlying wrongdoing — it attaches to another federal offense. So prosecutors typically pair § 371 with statutes like:
18 U.S.C. § 1343 (wire fraud),
18 U.S.C. § 224 (sports bribery),
or illegal gambling laws.
 
Angus said:
See, if you were in jail, and you f^*ked with somebody, you disrespect somebody, you can end up dead. But out here in the real world, there's no consequences. They only had to apologize, which imo is nothing. I'm all for gambling in pool, but conspiring with several others to dump so everyone involved wins, even both players, to me that's just wrong.
If they were banned from competition for x amount of time, or lost their sponsorships for x amount of time they may think twice before pulling stunts like this.
In reality if there were any consequences, it would just teach them to become better at keeping it hidden. Burner phones or only in-person meetings should be pretty apparent when your trying to scam people out of that kind of money.
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As you probably know there are many more junctions that operate at the whim of the gate keepers - jobs and advancement, to name a couple "legit" ones. The pool crowd is already suspect. These guys self identified as risks - to both sides. Long dance ahead no matter what they think.
 
From binge watching Judge Judy episodes:):) .....
If you partake in an illegal activity, and you are wronged, there is no recourse by suing. For example, if you handed a drug dealer $100 for drugs, and he ran away without giving you the baggie, you can't sue him.

I'm fairly certain side betting on a pool match is illegal unless its through a legit book, which there are none in USA for pool.

Criminally, IDK what could happen. Even if it was a crime, you'd have to go to the cops and admit to them yourself that you were illegally side betting.

Of course we all do it in pool. But when things go wrong, NO ONE runs to the law.
 
iusedtoberich said:
From binge watching Judge Judy episodes:):) .....
If you partake in an illegal activity, and you are wronged, there is no recourse by suing. For example, if you handed a drug dealer $100 for drugs, and he ran away without giving you the baggie, you can't sue him.

I'm fairly certain side betting on a pool match is illegal unless its through a legit book, which there are none in USA for pool.

Criminally, IDK what could happen. Even if it was a crime, you'd have to go to the cops and admit to them yourself that you were illegally side betting.

Of course we all do it in pool. But when things go wrong, NO ONE runs to the law.
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You do realize in the criminal justice system people can be charged without being sued right?

A victim of a drug dealer cannot sue if the dealer ran away with his drugs, but the drug dealer can be charged for distribution of drugs.

Just like someone getting pulled over with a certain amount of weed in their vehicle. Even though there is no victim, they can still be taken to jail.
 
iusedtoberich said:
From binge watching Judge Judy episodes:):) .....
If you partake in an illegal activity, and you are wronged, there is no recourse by suing. For example, if you handed a drug dealer $100 for drugs, and he ran away without giving you the baggie, you can't sue him.

I'm fairly certain side betting on a pool match is illegal unless its through a legit book, which there are none in USA for pool.

Criminally, IDK what could happen. Even if it was a crime, you'd have to go to the cops and admit to them yourself that you were illegally side betting.

Of course we all do it in pool. But when things go wrong, NO ONE runs to the law.
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there is no requirement in § 371, § 1343, or § 224 that a private person “press charges.”
The government only needs sufficient evidence to prosecute.
Sometimes cases continue even when alleged victims do not want prosecution, especially if investigators already have:
messages,
recordings,
financial records,
surveillance,
or cooperating witnesses.
 
EL'nino said:
How about going into someone's private phone & posting its contents on social media?
Is that a crime?
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Looks like it could be...
Computer Fraud and Abuse Act (18 U.S.C. § 1030)
This is the main federal computer intrusion law. Phones, cloud accounts, email, and social media accounts can qualify as protected computers/devices if accessed without authorization.

Important distinctions:

If the material reveals crimes or threats, whistleblower/public-interest arguments may arise in some situations.
 
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