Chalk gate at the open !!!!

I would have said that chalking over the table makes tables even dirtier than overchalking does.

Unfortunately there is no reason that both can't be done! Overchalking over the table is quite possible. One reason I refuse to build chalking into my preshot routine, I have seen people chalk three or four times when trying to decide what shot to take!

Snooker players often chalk between every shot but they only swipe the chalk across the tip once, not chalking the entire tip. I guess the entire tip gets chalked in the course of a frame or maybe they always hit the spot they chalk. Never watched close enough to see.

Hmmm, I just had a thought. There are cordless fish hook sharpeners that run off of batteries. A slight modification to hold chalk instead of a stone and I could market a cordless power chalker. That and a twenty dollar chalk cube and I could be rich by the end of a season!

Hu
 
I love Darren but I think he was out of line here. Whether he was right or wrong, his handling of this matter was very unprofessional. If he feels that Masters chalk, the standard in pro pool for decades, is causing skids, then he can rally his fellow professionals to jointly recommend its disallowance in WNT play. If the players were united in wanting Masters chalk to be eliminated from use in WNT events (and I truly wonder whether they would back him on this), Matchroom would likely accommodate, but just whining and complaining and publicly badmouthing a product that has figured so prominently in the history of pro pool is off base.
 
I think someone should produce a “Get Off My Lawn Open” for the AZ curmudgeons:

No jump cues
Old Gold Crown Tables
Only Master chalk
No Carbon Fibre
Green cloth
Centennial Balls with the traditional colours - Purple 4b
Hand rack for your opponent
One on the spot

What else am I missing?
Play off the wall.
 
So I have a unique problem. Most players switch their cue to the opposite hand and chalk with their playing hand. I play left handed. I eat left handed and I write and draw left handed. Almost everything else I do right handed. I throw a ball, bowl, bat, do just about everything right handed. So I chalk right handed. I always wondered why other people's hands don't get as chalked up messy as mine until I was watching someone who played right handed set their cue in the opposite hand and chalk with their right hand. I thought that was so weird.

Then I realized I was the odd duck, but it makes for a messy hand and table, it's unavoidable. It's also why I never needed a glove, I was constantly chalking my fingers.
I chalk with my bridge hand too. I throw and shoot pool right handed but do most other things left handed.
 
You're ambidextrous. Very cool.
I think ambidextrous means you do everything equally well with both hands, he does some things righty, and some lefty, I am the same way. I write, bat, golf left handed but I throw and shoot pool right handed. I don't think that is ambidextrous, its just effed up. The only thing I have found easier is talking on the phone while writing, I hold the phone in my right hand while writing left handed, most people hold the phone with the same hand they write with. :)
 
Well think a little harder. When you chalk and any excess gets onto your hands, if you're holding the cue with that hand, it will remain stationary. If that's your bridge hand, the shaft will be sliding against your hand and the hand will be rubbing against the table. So there's a greater likelihood of the chalk getting on the cloth and on your cue...

If I ever stop wearing a glove again, I'll take a picture of my hand after a session to show you the difference.
I bet when you don't wear a glove the area between your ring finger and middle finger get the dirtiest with chalk. Even when my bridge hand looks clean I look between those 2 fingers and they are covered in chalk.
 
I bet when you don't wear a glove the area between your ring finger and middle finger get the dirtiest with chalk. Even when my bridge hand looks clean I look between those 2 fingers and they are covered in chalk.
yepperly, it gets nasty after a 6+ hour session. I once made the joke in a thread about "you know you're a pool player if", with "If you look like you've been finger banging smurfette".
 
Back when there was usually a cone of hand chalk at the table and the blue cubes of tip chalk I was playing with a cowboy. No handchalk on the wall so he chalked his hand with tip chalk. I finally pointed out that hand chalk was to help things slide, tip chalk to keep them from sliding!

I played with a few people that used hand chalk or powder by the pound. Covered the stick end to end and both hands. By the time they were through spreading hand chalk they had covered the table and floor too! Some folks using a slip stroke chalked everything in sight. I heard Titanic Thompson did but never saw him play.

Something I have noticed about people that do something odd, they tend to play outside the norm too, either very good or very bad! Of course half the cowboys were twirling sticks after the color of money. I tried it but it aggravated me more than other people so I had to give it up. The cowboys were dangerous as hell all by themselves not being able to twirl a stick and hitting everything and everybody!

Hu
 
the white hand chalk went away mostly with air conditioning.

sweaty hands it was hard to stroke smoothly.

gloves were considered not manly, and none were really smooth or fit right back them to be useful.
 
the white hand chalk went away mostly with air conditioning.

sweaty hands it was hard to stroke smoothly.

gloves were considered not manly, and none were really smooth or fit right back them to be useful.
Yeh back in the day, the only people who wore gloves or played with cuetecs were d level bangers or hustlers...

:edit: or the people who were paid to play with them, (but that was only Earl, lol).
 
Back when there was usually a cone of hand chalk at the table and the blue cubes of tip chalk I was playing with a cowboy. No handchalk on the wall so he chalked his hand with tip chalk. I finally pointed out that hand chalk was to help things slide, tip chalk to keep them from sliding!

I played with a few people that used hand chalk or powder by the pound. Covered the stick end to end and both hands. By the time they were through spreading hand chalk they had covered the table and floor too! Some folks using a slip stroke chalked everything in sight. I heard Titanic Thompson did but never saw him play.

Something I have noticed about people that do something odd, they tend to play outside the norm too, either very good or very bad! Of course half the cowboys were twirling sticks after the color of money. I tried it but it aggravated me more than other people so I had to give it up. The cowboys were dangerous as hell all by themselves not being able to twirl a stick and hitting everything and everybody!

Hu
Funny story about that. When I first started playing pool seriously, I was day time manager at a pool hall in Redlands, Ca called corner pocket.

The owner used to buy and sell pool tables (where I learned how to be a table mechanic) and every pool table in the hall was for sale. Well he found this guy in Beverly Hills who had a turn of the century Brunswick nine foot with 2" single piece slate, took 8 of us to move it, the sloping inlaid legs and 3 identical 1976 rich cues. The high end ones with 8 points, 4 veneers on each point and 36 MOP inlays.

The guy was going through a divorce and Scott bought the table and the 3 cues for 2500. We refurbished the pool table and it sold for 13K alone.

I ended up with one of the rich cues and Scott ended up with two.

I was trained in martial arts, so I would twirl mine around like the movie, well one night, Scott tried to do that and it flew out of his hands and split just above the handle, lol.

It became the most expensive jump cue I ever saw, lol

I tried to get it from him to go with my rich, which I still have, but he wouldn't give it to me.
 
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With 4 inch pockets there is little room for error.

Same room for error or more than there was when records were being set a hundred years ago with tight pockets and much lesser equipment and accessories. Big pockets came and went for spectators. I'm sure play will get easier and harder in more cycles to come to keep spectators happy.

Tighten things until few or none can break and run and spectators and players will be crying, and play will be made easier. It's a constant seesaw.

I have seen it in pool and another handful of sports. The best want things tough, it keeps them on top. Many of the rest of the field think they can buy or legislate winning. They can't, but the thought is "I would have a chance if the pockets were a quarter inch bigger or the chalk grabbed a little better or I could just use this super magic chalk ...

I have seen people price themselves out of being able to compete in a dozen forms of competition because they think they can buy wins. They may buy one or two wins but they can't buy winning!

Two things create winners, talent and hard work. Somebody let me know when I can go buy a jar of either one!

Hu
 
Same room for error or more than there was when records were being set a hundred years ago with tight pockets and much lesser equipment and accessories. Big pockets came and went for spectators. I'm sure play will get easier and harder in more cycles to come to keep spectators happy.

Tighten things until few or none can break and run and spectators and players will be crying, and play will be made easier. It's a constant seesaw.

I have seen it in pool and another handful of sports. The best want things tough, it keeps them on top. Many of the rest of the field think they can buy or legislate winning. They can't, but the thought is "I would have a chance if the pockets were a quarter inch bigger or the chalk grabbed a little better or I could just use this super magic chalk ...

I have seen people price themselves out of being able to compete in a dozen forms of competition because they think they can buy wins. They may buy one or two wins but they can't buy winning!

Two things create winners, talent and hard work. Somebody let me know when I can go buy a jar of either one!

Hu
I'll correct that, Talent, Hard Work, and nerves of steel... Either by blood(genetics) or by blood, sweat and tears.
 
Funny story about that. When I first started playing pool seriously, I was day time manager at a pool hall in Redlands, Ca called corner pocket.

The owner used to buy and sell pool tables (where I learned how to be a table mechanic) and every pool table in the hall was for sale. Well he found this guy in Beverly Hills who had a turn of the century Brunswick nine foot with 2" single piece slate, took 8 of us to move it, the sloping inlaid legs and 3 identical 1976 rich cues. The high end ones with 8 points, 4 veneers on each point and 36 MOP inlays.

The guy was going through a divorce and he bought the table and the 3 cues for 2500. We refurbished the pool table and it sold for 13K alone.

I ended up with one of the rich cues and Scott ended up with two.

I was trained in martial arts, so I would twirl mine around like the movie, well one night, Scott tried to do that and it flew out of his hands and split just above the handle, lol.

It became the most expensive jump cue I ever saw, lol

I tried to get it from him to go with my rich, which I still have, but he wouldn't give it to me.

Sorry to interrupt the thread but a small world thing! One of my best friends lived in Redlands. Rudy owned a camera store, sold medium frame cameras. Met John Randolph? Through him. John got paid five hundred a day back then to photograph motorcycles and naked ladies for Easy Rider magazine.

Rudy was in a terminal stage of cancer so I went out there. I didn't go the most direct route but 6500 miles to see Rudy and worth every inch!

No pool but I had brought my competition pistol and some ammo I loaded for steel plate competition to shoot in it, nice mellow loads. John started trying to shoot an about 16"x20" steel plate set up at 200 meters for rifles. He had shot up close to a hundred rounds of my light loads shooting at that plate with no luck. I figured my short range loads were probably shooting a group, to call it that, about six feet tall by two feet wide. The gun was accurate, the load wasn't at that range. The pistol would have shot a group that would have hit the plate about half the time had I loaded planning to shoot 200 meters. Not bad for two hundred meters standing and offhanded.

I picked up the gun from the bench when he wanted me to try. I came up smooth and broke the shot when the sights were about six feet above the plate. A second or two later there was the distinct tink of copper hitting steel. I raised the pistol to shoot again, thought half a second, and set it on the bench. Nowhere to go from perfect but downhill!

Rudy my friend, RIP

Hu
 
Sorry to interrupt the thread but a small world thing! One of my best friends lived in Redlands. Rudy owned a camera store, sold medium frame cameras. Met John Randolph? Through him. John got paid five hundred a day back then to photograph motorcycles and naked ladies for Easy Rider magazine.

Rudy was in a terminal stage of cancer so I went out there. I didn't go the most direct route but 6500 miles to see Rudy and worth every inch!

No pool but I had brought my competition pistol and some ammo I loaded for steel plate competition to shoot in it, nice mellow loads. John started trying to shoot an about 16"x20" steel plate set up at 200 meters for rifles. He had shot up close to a hundred rounds of my light loads shooting at that plate with no luck. I figured my short range loads were probably shooting a group, to call it that, about six feet tall by two feet wide. The gun was accurate, the load wasn't at that range. The pistol would have shot a group that would have hit the plate about half the time had I loaded planning to shoot 200 meters. Not bad for two hundred meters standing and offhanded.

I picked up the gun from the bench when he wanted me to try. I came up smooth and broke the shot when the sights were about six feet above the plate. A second or two later there was the distinct tink of copper hitting steel. I raised the pistol to shoot again, thought half a second, and set it on the bench. Nowhere to go from perfect but downhill!

Rudy my friend, RIP

Hu
I know the camera shop it's in downtown off of what street is that....Palm I think or Ford. My family had a 356 acre ranch there in Redlands, well actually out in the canyon. That's where I did most of my shooting. Best shot I ever made was cold bore with a 92fs, I hit a bowling pin at 100 yds...
 
I know the camera shop it's in downtown off of what street is that....Palm I think or Ford. My family had a 356 acre ranch there in Redlands, well actually out in the canyon. That's where I did most of my shooting. Best shot I ever made was cold bore with a 92fs, I hit a bowling pin at 100 yds...

That is shooting! I found out the hard way that bowling pins aren't that large of a target for a pistol to shoot at. I shot a few but at eight or ten yards. Shot a lot of steel and paper too. Couldn't run, already disabled but I did a fair amount of gunning with a 1911. Set three local records with a .45, one with a .38Super, maybe two, been a long time! The forty-five was smoother and more fun to shoot, the Super was a little faster handling. I built a handful of 1911's so I never was a fan of the 92's. Got on my wrong side from the jump. They selected them mainly to be more accommodating to women and others of small stature they claimed, the handle is bigger around than a 1911's! Holds more ammo than a 1911 but that wasn't supposed to be the main reason for the selection. I have shot the 92's and most guns that come to a range having been a range bum and range officer too at times. The local records were in very good company IPSC Masters and Grand Masters. Another brag, I shot under the world record for five 5 shot groups with a benchrest rifle at 100 yards. Impressive but not as impressive as it sounds, I knew I couldn't set a record where I was shooting. A friend, Jef Fowler, set the record that counted. I was using projectiles he handmade when I shot under that record that stood for over a decade.

We seem to have a lot more in common, I was born on a forty acre farm but most of my extended family on both sides had fair sized pieces. My grandmother only had a bit over five hundred acres but the front bordered on an oxbow lake left by the Mississippi and when I was a young whippersnapper sixty thousand acres of virgin forest adjoined it. Wasn't supposed to go in those woods, grown men disappeared, sometimes three or four at a time. They still had bear, wolves, and big cats in those woods too, plus the usual critters you would suspect. Main thing, people would just get lost. I didn't hunt all of the woods but I hunted a few hundred acres as a pup! I was given half a shotgun when I was three or four with my two year older brother getting the other half. A few years later I got a .22 and that was my hunting gun.

I always thought it was a shame I had to restrict what my children did so much compared to what I and my siblings could do. I did give my son a 12 gauge when he was twelve and all of my children shot long before they could drive, legally that is.

My parents realized I was going outside in the first gray light of predawn when I was two or three. They talked it over. "He knows what a snake is and knows to stay out of the bayou and off the highways, what trouble can he get into?" The highways were major highways and steamboats had hauled cotton and other crops on that bayou before the levee system was built. You know how it is though, a country boy takes responsibility early! Our house burned and we eventually sold the land. I wonder what life would have been if we hadn't. After the house burned within two years I lived in a slave cabin and an antebellum home! Other than the size, there wasn't that much difference between the two. Last time I passed through the old homestead somebody had moved it to the road and made a little knickknack shop out of it. Been decades since I have rode by the old farm.

Funny how much we find in common sometimes. Half my kin had little country stores on their places and some of those stores had a big pool table and a jukebox. Those are the tables I shot my first pool on and I used chalk on targets sometimes so I guess I have drug this post around to slightly relevant!

Hu
 
Sorry to interrupt the thread but a small world thing! One of my best friends lived in Redlands. Rudy owned a camera store, sold medium frame cameras. Met John Randolph? Through him. John got paid five hundred a day back then to photograph motorcycles and naked ladies for Easy Rider magazine.

Rudy was in a terminal stage of cancer so I went out there. I didn't go the most direct route but 6500 miles to see Rudy and worth every inch!

No pool but I had brought my competition pistol and some ammo I loaded for steel plate competition to shoot in it, nice mellow loads. John started trying to shoot an about 16"x20" steel plate set up at 200 meters for rifles. He had shot up close to a hundred rounds of my light loads shooting at that plate with no luck. I figured my short range loads were probably shooting a group, to call it that, about six feet tall by two feet wide. The gun was accurate, the load wasn't at that range. The pistol would have shot a group that would have hit the plate about half the time had I loaded planning to shoot 200 meters. Not bad for two hundred meters standing and offhanded.

I picked up the gun from the bench when he wanted me to try. I came up smooth and broke the shot when the sights were about six feet above the plate. A second or two later there was the distinct tink of copper hitting steel. I raised the pistol to shoot again, thought half a second, and set it on the bench. Nowhere to go from perfect but downhill!

Rudy my friend, RIP

Hu
Vietnam era. We trained with our M-14's on a huge range. The M14 used 30-06 shells, clips of twenty. After a few weeks I could hit a man sized target at 300 yards. I was a "Marksman." Better shooters were Sharpshooters, hitting the same target at over 450 yards. The very best shooters (only a few) were Experts and could hit it at 600 yards! That's with a scopeless rifle, laying in a prone position. The M14 was one great rifle and very deadly in the right hands.

Memories of those days will never go away.
 
I think someone should produce a “Get Off My Lawn Open” for the AZ curmudgeons:

No jump cues
Old Gold Crown Tables
Only Master chalk
No Carbon Fibre
Green cloth
Centennial Balls with the traditional colours - Purple 4b
Hand rack for your opponent
One on the spot

What else am I missing?
I think someone should produce a Young and Dumb Open as well:
1. Must have a $700+ jump cue
2. Chinese Rasson Table
3. Only $20+ boutique chalk
4. Only CF or some other midget ferrule LD shafts allowed, preferably by Predator.
5. Emily Gray CPBA cloth
6. Cheap ass Dynasphere balls in Emily colors.
7. Pink 4 ball
8. Template rack
9. 9 on the spot

What else am I missing? Oh crying towels for when they don’t have anything to blame their lousy play on.

Edit: I forgot the most important thing, a garishly designed shirt of plastic like texture made from petroleum products that look like part of a super hero costume
 
Edit: I forgot the most important thing, a garishly designed shirt of plastic like texture made from petroleum products that look like part of a super hero costume
I am not a fan of the shirts that everybody is using these days. They are everywhere now, from Pool, to shooting matches, to drag racing... everywhere there is a competition, there is a wild colored "jersey". To each it's own I reckon, I do not have anything against people using them, they are probably very comfortable, just not my thing.

Side story. My pool mentor, my godfather, was a very wealthy man, his kind soul rest in peace. He used to be a businessman and he had a very lavish house. I used to stay with my godparents frequently and that is how I was introduced to pool. He had a very nice expensive competition table on the lower level of his home, there he had a jukebox, his own private bar and a fairly large TV for the early nineties. Superbly curated mancave. I remember one weekend that I was staying with them, at around 5pm on Saturday evening, a bunch of cars start rolling in, the expensive kind, and they were stopped at the gate by the groundskeeper, checked for an invitation and let in the property. After about an hour of looking at the spectacle I ask my godmother "what is going on?" She said "go down to your godfathers pool room and you'll see". There were abour 15 or 20 very wealthy men there, his friends, and they were giving my godfather big rolls of cash and all of that was put into a briefcase, locked and then put into a safe. Turned out that my godfather liked to gamble and he "organized" a tournament with his equally rich friends in his pool room, at 1k entry fee per person. Gambling like that was illegal and very frowned upon back home; I am originally from Puerto Rico, before I moved to CONUS when I enlisted in the Marines. I did not know that he was one of the top money players in the island, which was a side of him I did not see before. That night I saw my godfather beat every single one of them in a single elimination race to 5 eight ball, 8 ball had to go in the pocket the last object ball went into (neat little version of 8 ball we play back home) and win that big pile of cash. I still remember it like it was yesterday. He played with a Dufferin cue and had a few spare shafts, all with Elk Master tips and blue Master chalk. I think some shafts were customized in some way shape or form. His case was of genuine crocodile leather.

But anyways, as my pool mentor, he was very adamant about my dress when I was younger and active in tournaments back home. He insisted I at least wore a clean, tucked in polo shirt, either with dark slacks or a dark pair of clean and pressed jeans, with a decent pair of clean, comfortable shoes. He also insisted in a fresh shave when I got old enough, or having my beard nicely trimmed. He was also very adamant about my demeanor and pool etiquette. Crap, I still call fouls on myself thanks to him. He started playing around the era of straight pool and one pocket, with Irving Crane impeccably dressed for his games, so he believed I could benefit some from that "self discipline" with dress and demeanor, and apply it to how I played the game as well.

Before he passed away he saw me play in a fairly large tournament, watching from a corner where I could not see him. I did not win, came in second, but I will never forget him coming to me to give me a hug and tell me how proud he was of me, my demeanor in the face of a loss and "class" as he called it. To him, it did not matter I had lost the first place, it mattered that he mentored me "the right way" and I had become a good player myself. I will never forget that. The relationship between godparents and godchildren in hispanic countries is very special; it is a bond that can't be broken as they make an oath, before God, that they will care for you in the event of one's parents deaths. So we are considered their children and part of their own families as well.

Rest in Peace, Padrino.
 
I don’t get this……….I have been playing pool for 65 years…….different cities, tables and cues down through the years.
And, of course, a variety of pool chalks have been used as you’d imagine. I have never had chalk on my fingers or hands and I use a closed bridge on 75-80% of my shots. If you get blue fingers, hands, ferrules or shafts, I have news you don’t want to hear. Apparently, they never learned how to chalk correctly and are like the cartoon character that hangs with Charles Schultz’s Charlie Brown……Pigpen. These players are just slobs and over chalk so it stains their hands, fingers and pool cue. This has never happened to me or any cue I’ve owned. This is so inept that it’s sad but comical at the same time.
 
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