Is this Ferrule Cracked? Maybe a Little Bondo Wood Filler?

Cardigan Kid

Cardigan Kid

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Is this Ferrule Cracked? Maybe a Little Bondo Wood Filler? ***Update***

Saturday night bummer.
Down on the shot, low-inside draw for position off the rail....stroke through the cue ball and SNAP, shards of wood and in a cloud of chalk dust, my cue exploded.
Maybe I should lay off the HGH-the Barry Bonds method doesn't jive with billiards. :p



Ok, in all seriousness, has anyone ever seen a ferrule crack in three places before? I can honestly say, there wasn't the slightest hint of damage before the break, not a scratch or hairline fracture. Also, I never used the shaft for breaking or jumping.

Crack one:



Crack 2:



Crack 3:



Now this was the punch to the gut.
The shaft is a Longoni S2 that I ordered and received in June of 2015. I've been playing with a Longoni since 2014, taken down from 12.8mm to 12.25mm. I was so happy with the 2014 shaft, I ordered a second one with a Kamui Black Medium tip installed, had a pro cue maker take it down to 12.25mm. I logged 143 hours with this shaft since July 2015.

Because I had the shaft modified, the warranty was voided. Expensive lesson.
So now I'm back to my 2014 shaft, but I have to admit, I'm super paranoid about letting the stroke out.

Anyone else had this happen? Catastrophic ferrule failure? Exploding wood?

*************UPDATE UPDATE UPDATE************

11/17/2015
Just got back from the autopsy investigation, here are the photos:












Update:

I took the shaft over to Dan Dishaw's shop and had his professional take on the situation. Upon removing the broken ferrule, Dan.saw right away that there was quite a void between the wooden tenon and the cap of the ferrule.

Also, in that void there was not a trace of glue/epoxy that would be used top bond the ferrule to the wood.

Also, the ferrule itself was threaded, yet tenon was smooth. The only place glue can be found was on the shoulder of the shaft and the very base threads of the ferrule. Like MSchaffer stated in a previous post, all the force was going onto the shoulder of the shaft and caused the failure.

Especially on a power draw shot, where all the force would be on the upper part of the tip and shaft, which explains the shattered wood from the top end of the cue.

In Mr. Dishaw's professional opinion, this was bad craftsmanship on the part of Longoni.

The next step is to bring this to the attention of Longoni.
 
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I doubt that Bondo wood filler will work, I think the filler would just fall right off after a while from striking the CB. But give it a shot you may just never know.
 
Cardigan Kid said:
Saturday night bummer.
Down on the shot, low-inside draw for position off the rail....stroke through the cue ball and SNAP, shards of wood and in a cloud of chalk dust, my cue exploded.
Maybe I should lay off the HGH-the Barry Bonds method doesn't jive with billiards. :p

Ok, in all seriousness, has anyone ever seen a ferrule crack in three places before? I can honestly say, there wasn't the slightest hint of damage before the break, not a scratch or hairline fracture. Also, I never used the shaft for breaking or jumping.


Now this was the punch to the gut.
The shaft is a Longoni S2 that I ordered and received in June of 2015. I've been playing with a Longoni since 2014, taken down from 12.8mm to 12.25mm. I was so happy with the 2014 shaft, I ordered a second one with a Kamui Black Medium tip installed, had a pro cue maker take it down to 12.25mm. I logged 143 hours with this shaft since July 2015.

Because I had the shaft modified, the warranty was voided. Expensive lesson.
So now I'm back to my 2014 shaft, but I have to admit, I'm super paranoid about letting the stroke out.

Anyone else had this happen? Catastrophic ferrule failure? Exploding wood?
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Major bummer. I would be concerned about glue failure. Looks like it split from the back not the front.
 
Oh man that sucks :( will they repair it for a fee?

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I had heard the rumors around Syracue, but I didn't fully believe them til now...
....you are related, on the maternal side, to Chuck Norris.


....and the shaft is now a Long-gone-i
 
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supergreenman said:
Time for a new shaft. I'm sure I won't get any argument over that statement.
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Yes, sir. Absolutely agree.
Manning Cues to the rescue, it just so happens that OB cues is having a liquidation of all their original 1st generation OB shafts, paving the road for the new models.
Mr. Manning set me up with a great deal on an OB classic for $150 (shipping included :-)), which will be taken down to 12.3mm by OB so warranty will be intact.

Manningcues.com to get them before they are gone.

That guy is a great asset to the sport.
 
caff3in3 said:
Oh man that sucks :( will they repair it for a fee?

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They are in Italy, and it's a battle just to get the cue in the first place.
I'm going to take it to a local cue maker who lives down the street from me and see if he can work his magic on it.
 
StonedCEO said:
Relax, all right? My old man is a television repairman, he's got this ultimate set of tools. I can fix it.
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:thumbup: I have an extensive Accu Stats DVD collection and I stayed at a Holiday Inn last night, so I'll take a stab at it. No worries!


Celophanewrap said:
A little duct tape, you'll be good to go
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Duct tape solves everything. Once I go that route, for the briefest of moments at the pool hall, everyone will think I've gone full-Earl Strickland, crazy modified cue and all....That is until they see me lose to the 6-ball ghost. Doh! :banghead:

pt109 said:
....and the shaft is now a Long-gone-i
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Ha! That is Brilliant. That made me laugh and make everyone in Dunkin Donuts turn around. Green to you, sir!
 
Cardigan Kid said:
They are in Italy, and it's a battle just to get the cue in the first place.
I'm going to take it to a local cue maker who lives down the street from me and see if he can work his magic on it.
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If you re-ferrule it two inches shorter.....Voila, a carom shaft
 
I haven't stayed at a Holiday Inn recently, but participate on AZ on dropping the elbow and CTE threads. So in my Cliff Claven moment of clarity, I suggest perhaps Magic Eraser will buff that right out. :-)

In all seriousness, I wonder if the short ferrule contributed to the failure as well. Predator in their quest to lower deflection have switched to a short ferrule design. The shafts with the shorter ferrules seem to have a higher rate of failure than the 1st generations. Which may not be a real issue, as long as Predator have good customer service.



Cardigan Kid said:
:thumbup: I have an extensive Accu Stats DVD collection and I stayed at a Holiday Inn last night, so I'll take a stab at it. No worries!




Duct tape solves everything. Once I go that route, for the briefest of moments at the pool hall, everyone will think I've gone full-Earl Strickland, crazy modified cue and all....That is until they see me lose to the 6-ball ghost. Doh! :banghead:



Ha! That is Brilliant. That made me laugh and make everyone in Dunkin Donuts turn around. Green to you, sir!
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Cardigan Kid said:
They are in Italy, and it's a battle just to get the cue in the first place.
I'm going to take it to a local cue maker who lives down the street from me and see if he can work his magic on it.
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There is only one man that can fix that shaft properly and he goes by the nam of WHEAT, DOWN IN Florida.
 
In all seriousness, taking down the shaft thins the ferrule walls. If that ferrule is threaded on , walls would be real thin in bottom of threads.. may have been a pocket u der ferrule which allowed ferrule to shift sideways to. Shaft tenon. That explains ferrule cracked in multiple locations. When ferrule broke loose, glue is stronger then wood so wood tore/broke.
 
My guess is that the glue expanded which either cracked the tenon or the inside of the ferrule, the ferrule cracked from the bottom to the top so basically your shaft exploded from the inside out. So the turning down of the shaft really wasn't to blame but that won't stop them from not warrantying the shaft unfortunately.
 
Fuji-whopper said:
My guess is that the glue expanded which either cracked the tenon or the inside of the ferrule, the ferrule cracked from the bottom to the top so basically your shaft exploded from the inside out. So the turning down of the shaft really wasn't to blame but that won't stop them from not warrantying the shaft unfortunately.
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alphadog said:
In all seriousness, taking down the shaft thins the ferrule walls. If that ferrule is threaded on , walls would be real thin in bottom of threads.. may have been a pocket u der ferrule which allowed ferrule to shift sideways to. Shaft tenon. That explains ferrule cracked in multiple locations. When ferrule broke loose, glue is stronger then wood so wood tore/broke.
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These are great theories. I love this CSI: Billiards stuff.
I saved the shaft as is, like a crime scene. I'm going to take it to local cue maker Dan Dishaw for an official autopsy and cause of death.

I will repost the results here.
 
ctyhntr said:
I haven't stayed at a Holiday Inn recently, but participate on AZ on dropping the elbow and CTE threads. So in my Cliff Claven moment of clarity, I suggest perhaps Magic Eraser will buff that right out. :-)

In all seriousness, I wonder if the short ferrule contributed to the failure as well. Predator in their quest to lower deflection have switched to a short ferrule design. The shafts with the shorter ferrules seem to have a higher rate of failure than the 1st generations. Which may not be a real issue, as long as Predator have good customer service.
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:thumbup:

The shorter ferrule could definitely be a culprit. Couple that with a Kamui Black Medium tip (which plays like a hard tip when it's down to the sweet spot, like I had it in the photos) there was a lot of force being applied to that tip and not much absorption of that force.

I'm also going to have the ferrule replaced on my other Longoni, just out of precaution. I'm guessing after the autopsy results of the dead shaft, a ferrule replacement will definitely be in order.
 
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