who did Earl beat in his gambling days?

Dagwoodz

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Doesn't necessarily have to be gambling stories... In fact most of the stories being told didn't have anything to do with pool.

Probably been said here once or twice before, but Allen was asked during lunch what his best game was... The intent of the question pertaining to pool. Allen didn't hesitate in his answer...Smiling broadly the whole time he said:





"Gin"


Larry Lisciotti and Joe Frady just started laughing and started to tell stories of card games past.

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klockdoc

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Doesn't necessarily have to be gambling stories... In fact most of the stories being told didn't have anything to do with pool.

Probably been said here once or twice before, but Allen was asked during lunch what his best game was... The intent of the question pertaining to pool. Allen didn't hesitate in his answer...Smiling broadly the whole time he said:





"Gin"


Larry Lisciotti and Joe Frady just started laughing and started to tell stories of card games past.

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Then you would love this book. Not necessarily about pool. Gambling at golf, horse races, cards, who is coming down the road next......

Anyway, not going to spoil it. Good read.
 

Houstoer

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Keith we all love the old road stories. What are you doing with yourself now? Do you work? do you practice? Tell us how you survive now. We would all love to see you get back into pool one way or another. thanks
 

macguy

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I read your post. You said they played with the break and last 5.

At the end of the post, you stated that after the break, he could win with the 5-9. That is not last 5. If he made the 7 and 8 on the break, the last 5 would be 3, 4, 5, 6, and 9.

Maybe you mean he got the 5 out, but only the 5 or 9 counted on the break.

These guys numbers per game and match were a little bit more than what Buddy played for. Of, course, your right.....that's why they get these outrageous spots. They have a lot to win!

I am sorry, I didn't explain my self very well. Games can have a lot a variables when it come to negotiating.
 

JB Cases

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Shane's contract states "do what you want but don't be a dick".

Earl did name Mike Sigel as someone he beat for significant cheese.
 

jay helfert

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Rather than logout and log back in as Keith, I am going to transcribe his words verbatim in this post. So this is Keith's words below:

There was a time in Earl's life that he just played in tournaments. A friend of mine staked him a couple times and was telling me how well he played. I can't remember who he staked him against, but Earl never really had the reputation of gambling.

I mean, he talks about it at a young age that that's what he did. He might have done it with some locals. Earl actually probably had more gamble on the golf course. I never really saw him gamble, but it's not that he was afraid to gamble or that he couldn't play for money, which he could. He was more programmed for the tournament. Somewhere along in his life, he just programmed himself for the tournaments, and he would get asked to gamble at tournaments. But some people would know not to even ask him to gamble because the persona he gave off was strictly tournaments.

I was playing pretty good in the '70s, when I was spotting Kim Davenport the 7-ball and Morro Paez the 7-ball. Earl came into the pool room, and I asked him to play. I think I even offered him the last two, and the next thing I saw was that Earl was gone. I think Earl was hustling then. I don't know if Earl decided if he played me, it would knock a lot of his action, whether he won or lost. Don't know that for sure, but it sounds reasonable, because if I was Earl, I would have done the same thing.

In the '80s, Earl was the toughest player that I ever faced in a tournament. Mike Sigel was good, but Mike Sigel wasn't no Earl Strickland. Every time you had to play Earl, you had to run five or six racks, and sometimes maybe that might not be good enough, but at least you would have a chance. A lot of times when I played Earl, I didn't make many balls on the break, and the matches were still close, so I was proud of that.

Me and Earl had a couple ball-banger sets over there in Richmond, Kentucky. Never forget them. I lose one 11 to 10, and I win one 11 to 10, back to back years. I think it was '85 or '86. Big crowds. Great shots. After every great shot, the crowd would become unglued. It was a real nice atmosphere for playing pool, and there were a lot of gamblers around there as well, which made it all more the merrier. Those were the good old days. Pool has never been the same since, sorry to say.

Earthquake out.

[The above-referenced words were transcribed verbatim by JAM.] :cool:


Kind of interesting back then. Everybody agreed that Earl was the dominant tournament player but yet the most feared player was Keith. No one wanted to draw him, not even Earl. I know why too. Earl was a great tournament player, probably the best ever. But he was just that, a great tournament player. Keith was different. He had no fear of any man or any game. He had pure ice water in his veins. He didn't need to practice or even to sleep. You knew if he showed up for the match you could be in trouble. Probably the most naturally talented player to ever pick up a cue. Who knows how good Keith could have been if he really dedicated himself to playing pool? We will never know.

Earl would practice like crazy to prepare for his matches. Keith would hang at the bar or the casino and show up two minutes before his match and say "Let's go!". Now that's scary for a lot of players and they couldn't fade it. I saw Keith beat Earl and for every good shot Earl made, Keith made a better one. There was no greater pure shot maker in the game at that time and no one more feared than Keith. Earl was poetry in motion at the table, but Keith was an artist, able to come up with shots that no one could believe. He would make those "one in 50 tries" kind of shots like clock work, and make it look easy. And it was, for HIM! After a couple of run outs like that, his opponents got jelly in their legs. The good news for me is that I was IN! :thumbup:
 
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Horsetrader

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thanx for the kind words! I have had the pleasure of sitting (drinking) and bs'ing with Allen many times. He has the inate ability to clock a players speed with a glance, AND remember EVERY match he ever played!:) his stories are the best!

here is a pic of me n Allen at my buddies pool room.....maybe having a beer or 12!

G.

Great picture, Allen has aged good. Ask him about offering Billy Johnson (Chattanooga Billy Johnson, not the late, Wade Crane) the 5 and the break and the 1st shot, The discussion between the two was "how much to bet". I think Allen wanted to bet 10 grand a set, Billy wanted to bet 5 grand but I'm not sure. It could have been the other way around, Billy was a high roller but so was/is Allen. I do know that Allen said it had to be a big table. I believe it was 1979 or 1980 ish, in North Ga. pool room. Not sure about the year but the place is right. Vernon Elliott's old stopping grounds or rather his resting place between road trips.

Billy Johnson chewed me out, in private, telling me this is NOT a lock. You see, I thought it was a lock and said *I* would play that match. Billy went on to say he's a pro and a damn good gambler, PLUS are you willing to bet 5 grand a set? I kept silent and listen. I know this blog is about Earl but this conversation is about Allen Hopkins giving spots. EVEN Vernon thought highly of Allen's gambling abilities. Anyway just another pool story. I never saw the match go down. Some players said it was just a ploy to trap another gambler. You know how things happen in pool rooms, we all do. Well most of us do.
 
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Keith McCready

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Keith we all love the old road stories. What are you doing with yourself now? Do you work? do you practice? Tell us how you survive now. We would all love to see you get back into pool one way or another. thanks

Well, Houstoer, I'm mentally finding my way back into the game. As far as hitting balls, I haven't hit so many lately, but I believe in my gut that I still have what it takes. Hopefully, you will see me sooner or later to compete in some special events that I beleive that I can compete in. Won't be a whole bunch but maybe three or four a year, and that will be it for me.

Been doing a little stuff online to entertain my pastime. Haven't drank or done any drugs in almost 9 years. That's for all the naysayers, and for the ones who care, I just stated the facts.

Earthquake out.

[Transcribed verbatim by JAM.]
 

Keith McCready

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Kind of interesting back then. Everybody agreed that Earl was the dominant tournament player but yet the most feared player was Keith. No one wanted to draw him, not even Earl. I know why too. Earl was a great tournament player, probably the best ever. But he was just that, a great tournament player. Keith was different. He had no fear of any man or any game. He had pure ice water in his veins. He didn't need to practice or even to sleep. You knew if he showed up for the match you could be in trouble. Probably the most naturally talented player to ever pick up a cue. Who knows how good Keith could have been if he really dedicated himself to playing pool? We will never know.

Earl would practice like crazy to prepare for his matches. Keith would hang at the bar or the casino and show up two minutes before his match and say "Let's go!". Now that's scary for a lot of players and they couldn't fade it. I saw Keith beat Earl and for every good shot Earl made, Keith made a better one. There was no greater pure shot maker in the game at that time and no one more feared than Keith. Earl was poetry in motion at the table, but Keith was an artist, able to come up with shots that no one could believe. He would make those "one in 50 tries" kind of shots like clock work, and make it look easy. And it was, for HIM! After a couple of run outs like that, his opponents got jelly in their legs. The good news for me is that I was IN! :thumbup:

Well, Toupee, I believe you got this thread right. I'm glad that you acknowledged those facts. I believe in my heart back in those days, pound for pound, I could get the money. And you were the one that was in with me in the BC Open, 25 large to the winner. First time they had a $25,000 payday since Richie Florence's tournament in Lake Tahoe. Those were the good old days, Jay. I miss them.

I hope everything is well with you, poker is good, and you got yourself a good man in Dennis. He is a hell of a player and will beat a lot of people. You've always had that niche about yourself choosing the good horses, and I'm glad that I was in your stable.

Tell your daughter Heather I said hi. :)

[Transcribed verbatim by JAM.]
 

scttybee

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I had the good fortune to meet Boston Shorty before he passed on at a tourney in Branford, CT back in '97. When he wasn't at the table playing, he was telling stories to a crowd of people as was Allen Hopkins, Larry Lisciotti, Mike LeBron, and Neptune Joe Frady. It was the first time I had been around professionals, and at only 20 years old and new to the game I was pretty awestruck.

The one thing about the culture of this game that has kept me hooked for so long are the story tellers that could be found in most pool halls. No where else could one find the number of characters in one place than at a pool hall. It seems the pool hall nurtured the art of story telling. Unfortunately, it seems that art is slowly dying out.

Back on topic, never got the chance to watch Earl gamble, but watched Tony Watson walk into Chicago Billiards in New Haven, CT about a year after the Branford tourney, when it was the hot spot and he offered the house the 7 out for as much as they could bet. I was told that when he had his mixture right he was the closest thing to Earl in his day. Those in the house were Lisciotti, Ginky, Frady, Basavich, Billy the kid Lanna... No one would play... Not because they didn't have the $$... The proprietor Ralph was loaded and would stake any of then for whatever if they asked. They knew that any game they would be getting into would be a bad game.

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im sorry to question but what year was this?tony had a high gear but i doubt larry,ginky and frady wanted no part of him.they would all be huge favorites playing anything
 

JAM

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im sorry to question but what year was this?tony had a high gear but i doubt larry,ginky and frady wanted no part of him.they would all be huge favorites playing anything

I agree that knowing what year this was is key. ;)

That said, Tony did, indeed, have a high gear, and when Stevie was his backer, Tony could bet as high as the Georgia pine. Some players, no matter how strong they shoot, can fold like a lawn chair when gambling for big bucks.

Tony also had that extra gear and endurance that he acquired from experience, playing long sessions. Heck, he's been playing pool since he was a kid, hitting thousands of balls every day of his life.

I saw Tony Watson in 2002 and 2003 era barbecue his opponents, left and right. In fact, after seeing him demolish Keith in one pocket because of his jump-cue prowess, I knew then that jumping balls is Tony's secret weapon.

I hope Tony has found happiness in his life today. I know he's had a few ups and downs. Heck, we all have. He is actually one of the nicest Southern gentleman I have ever had the fortune to meet and call my friend.
 

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Dagwoodz

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That would have been around 98. And I disagree. Larry and Frady were strong, but didn't have the firepower to keep up with Tony. Ginky was the only one in there who could fade that game... Even then he didn't really want any of it.

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scttybee

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I hate to constantly jump on ginky(he was a great friend for many years) bandwagon but its more along the lines of we were in q master 97 or 98 when alex tortured tony all weekend...broke whoever was backing tony...tony tried to sell his cue to everyone in the room....because of the style he played other than not missing i couldnt figure out where he landed and mr parica (who always gave me the right side if i asked)said gink was hi jacking everybody in the room at that time.according to gink alex was right there with him ..no more typing have at it...wasnt this suppossed to be about earl?

sorry; this was the same week that ginky beat kiamco for the cash in the same place...sorry earl
 
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Gerry

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Another relevant Allen Hopkins comment just came back into my cobweb head!!!.. I remember a conversation about Mr. McCready.....I was working a 14.1 tournament sitting between Allen, and Jack Colavito (sp?)....
I was getting schooled by Allen in our match, and I opted to shoot a crazy stroke shot drawing the ball 3 rails and breaking out a cluster.....Allen stopped the match to explain how Keither shot a very similar shot on him in Vegas I think it was or Reno?!.... no one can stop a tourney match midstream and tell a story like Allen... I had no chance in the match so it made it fun!

Both Allen and Jack commented to rail birds ragging on the Keither sidearm.... no matter what Keiths stroke looks like....."just watch him at IMPACT" the cue is delivered perfectly! this coming from 2 of the finest northeast killers ever assembled IMO!

The comment actually started about me because at that time I still had a wild sidearm stroke left over from learning to play on a full size table and being 6 years old! :)

G.
 

jay helfert

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Well, Toupee, I believe you got this thread right. I'm glad that you acknowledged those facts. I believe in my heart back in those days, pound for pound, I could get the money. And you were the one that was in with me in the BC Open, 25 large to the winner. First time they had a $25,000 payday since Richie Florence's tournament in Lake Tahoe. Those were the good old days, Jay. I miss them.

I hope everything is well with you, poker is good, and you got yourself a good man in Dennis. He is a hell of a player and will beat a lot of people. You've always had that niche about yourself choosing the good horses, and I'm glad that I was in your stable.

Tell your daughter Heather I said hi. :)

[Transcribed verbatim by JAM.]

Keithly, you made the game look easier than anyone else I ever saw play. Every other player had to get down in a good stance, take a few practice strokes to get prepared and then shoot with a well defined stroke to make the shot. But not you! You would take a look at the shot, lean down and smooth stroke that ball in from anywhere, like it had eyes. You had all kinds of strokes, some you made up on the spur of the moment. And none of your stances looked alike either. I can see you now, kind of half way bending over, a little tilted to one side looking sideways at the ball, take a couple of practice swipes and put the whip to the cue ball. Then some incredible shot would transpire before our eyes and everyone would just be stunned how easy you made it look. You'd take a look around and say something like, "That's the only way I could play it," like no big deal. You had the crowd eating out of your hand. They didn't care if your opponent ever came back to the table. We just wanted to watch you! :smile:

Even good players were amazed by you, a little in awe about how easy you made pool look, when they had to practice so hard to make the same shots. No one else played with so little visible effort. The game just did not intimidate you in any way. For you Keith pool was always a piece of cake, a game to be played and enjoyed. It was never hard work and the fact that you could win money at it made it even better! :thumbup2:
 
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Black-Balled

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Keithly, you made the game look easier than anyone else I ever saw play...
. It was never hard work and the fact that you could win money at it made it even better! :thumbup2:

Great words, jay. You should write a book, hell, so should Keith. Seriously, write some books!!

I never got to hang out with real big name guys, so I don't have much to compare this to, but the thing i noticed about Keith's game that really showed me he's a big hitter- I don't think there is any situation on a pool table that he doesn't know how to play.
 
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