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09-18-2020, 05:42 PM

You can shoot into the jaws at at the top of the picture. Far tit, near tit, up the side of the table at the 9. Not sure if the cue ball has the right entry angle but if there's enough, the cueball will have enough speed to damage the combo; maybe nick the one and billiard the 9.
  
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09-18-2020, 06:20 PM

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here's what I am talking about (excuse the primitive paint-mouse work):

Thatís what Iíd try but Iím sure that third rail would shorten up a lot. I feel like I might be more likely to hit the 1 head on than come under it from an extra rail.


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09-18-2020, 06:26 PM

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I think this is what you mean. (This is from Virtual Pool, which understands spins and kicks...) And if you get real lucky, you can make the 9 ball as shown. Played about 45 degrees into the cushion with low right:

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Looks like it might not even need the curve. If not it may be my new favorite shot...

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09-18-2020, 07:35 PM

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here's what I am talking about (excuse the primitive paint-mouse work):
On the particular table I'm using in Virtual Pool, you can get that path to work. You have to hit it pretty hard. If you hit on the near side of the side pocket instead, you can go direct to the 1 ball after the bottom side rail.


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09-18-2020, 08:04 PM

Might just have to jack up to the left and fire at it looking to disrupt the 9 or 6 in that area. Looks like it may be pretty close to a legit shot.
  
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09-18-2020, 08:29 PM

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I think this is what you mean. (This is from Virtual Pool, which understands spins and kicks...) And if you get real lucky, you can make the 9 ball as shown. Played about 45 degrees into the cushion with low right:

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This is what I thought of trying also.


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09-19-2020, 04:54 AM

i havent read any replies
but it looks like the cue ball is on the 4 diamond path in the plus 2 system
use draw running to get around the 3 and lengthen the angle
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09-19-2020, 04:58 AM

That's my exhibition shot...


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09-19-2020, 06:27 AM

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use draw running to get around the 3 and lengthen the angle
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Larry;

If you look at post #24 you'll see I suggested a similar path as yours but with hitting the 3rd rail below the side pocket instead. This, I feel, gives a better chance at hitting the 1b while avoiding the more narrow opportunity caused by the 5b.

Basically, you get a bigger landing zone for a successful hit.


Another potential upside to hitting below the side pocket is that you stand a better chance of kicking the 1b up with possible cover.
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09-19-2020, 08:25 AM



I tried it for about 20 minutes. No video today, Iíve been reconfiguring my setup.

Hitting short of the side pocket consistently tracked short. Maybe hitting the 5 ball but more commonly hitting the 4 or 7.

Hitting passed the side pocket, I could not hit the 1 directly. I was surprised to see the ball go wide. I would have thought the running spin from the first to rails would have checked up on the third. It didnít. It went wide every time. Maybe I just didnít visualize the approach path very well.

Four or five times I was able to catch that fourth long rail and hit the 1 from below. Three of them had enough juice to get a rail. They might not have been a sellout but Iíd expect a safety back because the opponent had view of the full ball from close up.


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09-19-2020, 10:29 AM

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... I tried it for about 20 minutes. No video today, I’ve been reconfiguring my setup.

Hitting short of the side pocket consistently tracked short. Maybe hitting the 5 ball but more commonly hitting the 4 or 7.
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You can change the angle off the third cushion by changing how you get there. Try varying the angle, speed and spin.

In my experience, the angles on a Valley table are different from 9-foot tournament tables, but since this is a WWYouD, your shot applies to your table.

Playing short-long-long to the right of (above) the side pocket is expected to go direct to the one ball or short. With a lot of slide (new cloth), it can go long to the 1 ball: short-long-long-short-ball. I think the tendency is to be short and you have to work to make it go longer.


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WWYD -- 9 ball total trap - 09-19-2020, 11:26 AM

I rushed my camera setup back up. I didnít bother editing so I have 15 minutes of raw footage.

I can naturally hit the 1 from four rails trying to get a return safe. I pulled that off a handful of times.

At the end of the video I was able to hit the 1 head on with three rails and pocket the 9. To make that angle work, I had to shoot the ball hard enough to make the cueball hop around off the rails a bit.

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09-19-2020, 11:34 AM

I would shoot the "off the point shot" from the upper right pocket and take the 9 out of the hole. You could also jump into the head rail and kick 2 rails behind the one but that's a much harder shot to perform and may not even be possible.
  
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09-19-2020, 11:41 AM

If all I wanted to do was disrupt the 1 - 9 combo, I probably would try banking the three cross corner into the 1 or 9 rather than masse on the cue ball. Depends on who I am playing and what the score is.
  
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09-19-2020, 12:34 PM

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I'd try to move the 1 and or 9 by any means possible (taking a foul if needed). I'd fram the CB into the 6 a million miles an hour, trying to disturb the dead 1-9 combo. If no way to get the 6 to hit any of those balls, I'd try 4 rails with the CB, with the first rail being the upper right end rail as viewing the picture.
This is what I am doing too, I dont have the skills to shoot this and make a good hit without a lot of luck. If I can practice kicking at the 1 for about a half hour beforehand to find the speed, spin, route, and outcome then I go for the kick and legal hit.
  
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