100k to 200k Theft at the Riviera APA

Well I am either a Porta-Lovacan American, or a Check Orican American. Can not decide any one case to say what sound BEST.... :D
 
wow, i was going to post up and say that i live here in vegas and work at the biggest billiard supply store in town and that i would keep my eyes and ears open for any tiger products that someone might be selling..............

but it seems that this thread isn't about that................ :rolleyes:
 
While "Oriental" isn't politically correct, I don't see is as a slur. It seems like more of an outdated way of describing an ethnic group. This being my opinion only..." QUOTE.



When referring to something "oriental" you are referring to art, food, etc. When referring to the people as a whole they can be referred to by their country of origin, i.e. chinese, japanese, korean, or just as "Marissa is of Asian descent", or "Marissa is Asian." Not, "Marissa is an Oriental." A little pc lesson today. No disprespect intended.
 
Wally in Cincy said:
Dang, I thought for sure you were Irish. :confused:

I'm gonna miss you guys in Sept.

Have fun in VA.....

Wally <~~ under-capitalized :rolleyes:
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I'm gonna miss you guys in Sept. too :(


Eric >under schedulized
 
Tiger Products Theft Update

wakuljr said:
wow, i was going to post up and say that i live here in vegas and work at the biggest billiard supply store in town and that i would keep my eyes and ears open for any tiger products that someone might be selling..............

but it seems that this thread isn't about that................ :rolleyes:
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It seems that this thread has taken a strange turn, however I did want to update you all on the investigative progress of the theft.

After further itemizing of the trailers’ contents, the total loss is going to be well over $200k in merchandise, tools, marketing materials and the like.

The Riviera hotel, although having 2 security cameras on the very area where the trailer was stolen from, has been thoroughly unhelpful. They have shown a very blasé attitude about the incident. It seems as no surprise that this happens there. The Las Vegas PD shall be ordering them to hand the camera tapes over to them for their review.

We have gotten many calls from industry supporters, customers and friends all over the country expressing their deepest of sympathy and empathy for our situation. Unfortunately as we have recently discovered, occurrences of theft in billiards like this is more common than we had ever thought having happened to many other businesses.

We at Tiger Products appreciate your support and with to thank you all.

Aside from the merchandise, tools, marketing materials and the like that were stolen, we at Tiger Products have lost a large number of man hours in this theft. A portion of Tiger's goal at the APA Nationals was gaining feedback from our own customers in a market survey used to aid us in research and development so we can provide you all with the best Made in USA billiards products on the market! We collected a large amount of data during the event and that data was also lost in the theft.

If any of you would like to help us in replacing this vital information, send me an email at corey@tigerproducts.com. I will reply to you with the survey as an email attachment in MS Word with instructions.

I will continue updates as they come.

Thank you all so much for you help and concern!

Corey Harper
Tiger Products
 
Sweet Marissa said:
I've addressed two people as "y'all two" even though it's redundant. :p
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I guess that works, although it was explained to me that "when addressing a person singularly, it's Y'all and plural, it's all Y'all". But whaddo I know. :)



Eric >will renew my Hooked on Phonics subscription
 
cuesmith said:
I recently asked my Asian (Filipina) wife what she thought about it. She had no idea that anyone found it offensive!

That being said, I don't find any of the names applied to white people as being offensive to me and feel that people who are offended by such words are just too thin skinned!
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It makes sense that your wife does not find "Oriental" offensive, since the term is usually used to describe Chinese, Japanese, and Korean individuals rather than anyone from that geographic region. Filipinos, Thais, etc, are generally called "Southeast Asians", as far as I understand the phrase.

It also makes sense that you don't find slurs aimed at Whites to be inflammatory; being a male Caucasion affords a sense of security that cannot be compromised by mere name-calling. Racial slurs cut so deep not because of the taboo of the words themselves, but for the painful memories/history they convey.

The bottom line is empathy, with this entire thread. Why would you use a word to describe a people if the word is possibily offensive to them? If there's a chance to hurt someone by using it? What principle are you upholding?

I am a Chinese American, and I don't find the word Oriental offensive in and of itself; it depends if it was said maliciously. I do prefer to be called Asian, as "Oriental" was a term from an age when Asians were considered exotics, and described in literature as one would describe exotic animals.

-Roger
 
Since I have the mic...

Those complaining about illegal immigrants are fighting a phantom battle. It is not a question of illegal immigration; it's an issue of a transient workforce, a cheap source of labor for American businesses and an easy straw-man target for politicians and two-bit social commentators to lament about.

I worked as a chef in several Manhattan restuarants, and have yet to see ONE American dishwasher or busboy. I don't know ANY Americans who want those jobs. I certainly don't. But if you remove the migrant labor from Manhattan, the city will literally collapse. The hospitality industry will grind to a halt, immediately.

Europe has the same "problem" with illegal middle Eastern laborers. Their pundits speak out against the same illusion, blaming them for a garden variety of social ills. The fact is industrialized countries want cheap labor without having to grant those workers any political stature. The highly benificial by-product of this wink-wink system is the scapegoating these vulnerable people provide for inept politicians and business interests.

The diversionary aspect of these debates are invaluable to elites and cannot be underestimated in our country, in any country for that matter.

-Roger
 
buddha162 said:
Since I have the mic...

Those complaining about illegal immigrants are fighting a phantom battle. It is not a question of illegal immigration; it's an issue of a transient workforce, a cheap source of labor for American businesses and an easy straw-man target for politicians and two-bit social commentators to lament about.

I worked as a chef in several Manhattan restuarants, and have yet to see ONE American dishwasher or busboy. I don't know ANY Americans who want those jobs. I certainly don't. But if you remove the migrant labor from Manhattan, the city will literally collapse. The hospitality industry will grind to a halt, immediately.

Europe has the same "problem" with illegal middle Eastern laborers. Their pundits speak out against the same illusion, blaming them for a garden variety of social ills. The fact is industrialized countries want cheap labor without having to grant those workers any political stature. The highly benificial by-product of this wink-wink system is the scapegoating these vulnerable people provide for inept politicians and business interests.

The diversionary aspect of these debates are invaluable to elites and cannot be underestimated in our country, in any country for that matter.

-Roger
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Your Point is good, but when I was a Kid I was that ONE American dishwasher or busboy. I am 58 Years Old, and worked at many nasty jobs as a Kid. Why because I needed the money.

:D
 
My two Cents

I am black and the word NIGGER gets thrown around from time to time unfortunately. But, I have to disagree with you on the OREINTAL word as a slur. The "N" word is used today affectionately and negatively. All words and the chose of using that word has nothing to do with "INTENT".

To be offended when "ORIENTAL" is used and the culprit does not have malicous intent is "CRAZY". People say nigger lovingly and have changed the intent behind the word. The only time someone should be offended is based on other factors like "tone, Body Language, speach pattern and word selection are overwhelmingly MEANT to offend" any other time is over kill! People are not walking on egg crates or jumping through hoops to avoid in advertent and unintend offensive comments that lack "INTENT TO OFFEND"

King Kong

VonRhett said:
I've been trying REALLY HARD to stay out of this thread, but this is too much to ignore. I am 100% is Marissa's camp on this one. You no more call an Asian "Oriental" than you would a black man "colored". Both were perfectly acceptable decades ago. But fortunately the world changes.

Another BIG difference, WAYNE, is that I can find America, Canada, England, Russia, etc, on the map. But my damn 6' Wall Map doesn't have anywhere called the ORIENT. And I travel to Asia every month (really), but don't believe I have ever met an Oriental.

Yes, I saw the definition in the dictionary as posted herein. But here is an actual C&P for "Colored":
b. Black or African-American
c. Of mixed racial descent
Lets see how far you get by using "colored" to describe Black people. Oriental is equally offensive.

Because someone found it in the dictionary has exactly squat to do with the fact that referring to an Asian as "Oriental" is a slur, offensive, and a disparaging term for any Asian person. This isn't about being Politically Correct, it's about the use of archaic, offensive slang.

I own 3 factories in Asia, and am married to a wonderful Asian lady. Even my fuckin dog is Asian. It infuriates me when some ignorant ass uses an archaic term like Oriental when describing a person. Yes, ERIC, it is a slur.

Fortunately, I live in Cali and have NEVER herard anyone use Oriental to describe an Asian person. Of course, we don't say "colored", "raghead" or "wetback", either. AND YES, they are all equally offensive.
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King Kong said:
To be offended when "ORIENTAL" is used and the culprit does not have malicous intent is "CRAZY". People say nigger lovingly and have changed the intent behind the word. The only time someone should be offended is based on other factors like "tone, Body Language, speach pattern and word selection are overwhelmingly MEANT to offend" any other time is over kill!
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So you're saying that as a black man, you would not be offended if a random caucasion or asian calls you nigger, as long as the term is used endearingly?

As I understand it, the N-word is a special case within the racial slur family. It has been incorporated into the black culture (on some levels) and as you said, can be construed as a positive word, reaffirming the common history of oppression and resistance shared among blacks. This does not apply to other racial slurs.

The bottom line is this: any slur/slang that addresses racial groups must be deemed offensive if the addressee finds it offensive. I personally have no understanding of why "Negro" or "Colored" is offensive today, but I know that most black people consider it so; thus, I won't use that word. I don't need to understand why, as long as I know the consequences might be hurtful or negative in any way, I won't use it. This is pretty basic consideration, imo, and follows an easy logic, again imo.

-Roger
 
buddha162 said:
So you're saying that as a black man, you would not be offended if a random caucasion or asian calls you nigger, as long as the term is used endearingly?

As I understand it, the N-word is a special case within the racial slur family. It has been incorporated into the black culture (on some levels) and as you said, can be construed as a positive word, reaffirming the common history of oppression and resistance shared among blacks. This does not apply to other racial slurs.

The bottom line is this: any slur/slang that addresses racial groups must be deemed offensive if the addressee finds it offensive. I personally have no understanding of why "Negro" or "Colored" is offensive today, but I know that most black people consider it so; thus, I won't use that word. I don't need to understand why, as long as I know the consequences might be hurtful or negative in any way, I won't use it. This is pretty basic consideration, imo, and follows an easy logic, again imo.

-Roger
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The point is that no one can keep up with the evolving and changing feelings. The word colored and negro were acceptable at various points in time. That changed! Just like Oriental may have been acceptable and the culture deemed it offensive. We all have inadvertently offended someone at sometime or another out of ignorance. I never knew Oriental to be Taboo and have probably used it. But, now I know! If the point of all this is to educate, then great. But, to be offended and upset with the user for lack of knowledge about the word and negativity of it. is absord!

Additionally, I have white and asian friends that use the word "NIGGER" lovingly. We have that kind of relationship. Someone I do not know and do not have that relationship or friendship with that it's meaning is overwhelming and endearing term should not take it for granted as acceptable or assume it is ok to use. Again, just my 2 cents!

As you said in the post, "the Adressee's" feelings are all that matters. All we are saying to the adressee is be patient with us as the knowledge of what is taboo and not taboo evolves. Do not get upset! just kindly pulll them to the side and say "In the society the word is currently considered offensive and you were unaware when you advertently used it a minute ago" in the presense of others who do not know you it could be deemed offensive as they do not know your intent behind the word used was not meant to be offensive"
 
Very Interesting Thing is

This Thread started out reporting a Theft of Pool Stuff/Products belonging to Tiger Products from the Parking lot in Las Vegas at the Property of the Riviera Hotel & Casino, now it has evolved into a discussion of Race, Racism, Political correctness, what Racial Group did the CRIME, and that has ZERO to do with Tiger Products Loss.....
 
Has anyone heard if any of the merchandise has surfaced? Have there been any leads in the case? I heard that Tiger had insurance so maybe that is why no reward for information was posted. I am alone in thinking that something like 10K might get somebody with knowledge of the heist to talk?

I wonder who's going to be next at the Riviera, or Plaza for that matter. A real shame. Stealing vendor trailers sounds like an industry in Las Vegas.

Martin



Bruce S. de Lis said:
This Thread started out reporting a Theft of Pool Stuff/Products belonging to Tiger Products from the Parking lot in Las Vegas at the Property of the Riviera Hotel & Casino, now it has evolved into a discussion of Race, Racism, Political correctness, what Racial Group did the CRIME, and that has ZERO to do with Tiger Products Loss.....
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