160K Stakehorse Challenge!

TheMarsMan said:
I have talked to Greg Sullivan from Diamond Billiards and we came up with a new tournament for 2015 at Derby.

Some of the items are still to be determined but here is what we know so far:

The Stakehorse is able to pick any player on the planet that they can get to Derby
10 Ball - Rules same as Big Foot Challenge
10 foot Diamond tables
Limited to eight stakehorses, entry is 20K each
1st place pays $100,000, 2nd place pays $60,000
The players get 25% of the total payout, 75% to the backers.
The backer gets 60% of the player that he puts in and 40% of another player randomly drawn from the other 7 remaining.
All Stakehorses will get a free room from Greg for the entire tournament.

Items that need to be worked out:
Length of race (I was thinking 9)
Single or Double Elimination (I am thinking a double elim would be better)
Schedule of matches (Two days of matches should be enough I would think)
Etc...

I am in and have picked SVB as my player, other players who I am sure will have someone put them in: Appleton, Orcullo, Bustamante, Pagulyon, Hohmann, Reyes, Neils, Wu, Ralf, Mika, etc...

I am pretty certain that we will have 8 of the top 10 best players in the world, so I will be happy with whoever I get chosen for my other 40%. The stakehorses are allowed to trade their random picks with other stakehorses if both agree.

Betting on matches will be encouraged!

I think this will bring in extra money in the DCC and I know win or lose I am going to have a good time with this event.

We are limited to the next 7 people who contact me and put out some no show money. I have already talked to some of the bigger stakehorses at the last Derby and I know some of the spots are going to go fast.

If anyone has any suggestions or wants to talk about putting someone in let me know.

John Mars
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Interesting idea John!

Lee Vann Corteza comes to mind as another possible 10 baller.

I'm wondering if the young dudes like Bergman and Woodward would step into the old lions den.

I like the fact that you started this thread VERY EARLY. You are sure to get some great ideas.


JoeyA
 
gxman said:
I dont see getting 8 entries at 20K.
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I think the biggest problem is that it is 10-ball and Marsman took the "big" favorite off the table right off the bat. SVB won the Bigfoot fairly comfortably, he dominates 10-ball and most would figure him at least 1/3 favorite to win this 8-man event.

This might have a better chance of filling up with tight pockets and 8-ball. SVB's break is still huge but Fatboy style rails on a 10- foot in 8-ball and Gareth might come out, Melling, some of the Chinese guys who play a lot of Chinese 8-ball.

SVB is simply too dominant at 10-ball.

Plus if this is going to be the best 8 guys in the world might as well go long races (17 or so) alternate break, win by 2, single elimination.

A question. Is a top player allowed to put themselves in for the $20k for a chance at the whole 1st place payoff and no backer split?
 
rezin8 said:
As a network engineer that has had to do SOX compliance, I can assure you that it's not compliant.
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It was written around Tyco, my old company.
Our CEO was the poster child for corporate abuse.
He just got out...9 years in a real prison
 
SVB might be the favorite...

But the other players out there are all capable of winning. I mean is Orcullo dead money? I understand its on home soil for SVB and he is pretty formidable but to say this would detract other backers is too much.

And for whoever said ppl would much rather bet on football or whatever and betting on pool isn't interesting... Debbie downer.

I find this to be the most exciting thing for pool! It's marketable and it's a great idea.
 
I'll say what a lot of people are thinking regardless of marsman's status.

It comes off as a penie measuring contest, and why in the world would it need to be 20k, do you really need attention to yourself?

OK, I am starting a new tournament at the DCC, it's a $4.3M entry fee and first place will pay 15M

Like a 1k entry fee tournament isn't enough, someone has to say hey look at me, reminds me of a person from Las Vegas who wanted to add a tournament to the DCC.

There is no need for something like this, and it continues to take away from the DCC. People pay money to watch players at the DCC on PPV and in person, all these extra things that go on, take the wind out of their sails and take away from Greg's baby.
 
tommyceilings said:
I'll say what a lot of people are thinking regardless of marsman's status.

It comes off as a penie measuring contest, and why in the world would it need to be 20k, do you really need attention to yourself?

OK, I am starting a new tournament at the DCC, it's a $4.3M entry fee and first place will pay 15M

Like a 1k entry fee tournament isn't enough, someone has to say hey look at me, reminds me of a person from Las Vegas who wanted to add a tournament to the DCC.

There is no need for something like this, and it continues to take away from the DCC. People pay money to watch players at the DCC on PPV and in person, all these extra things that go on, take the wind out of their sails and take away from Greg's baby.
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Contrar. It will add to the event, Greg loves the idea and so do I.

People were playing for 1000 in the 70's. Time to get it out of the mud. Great concept.

Ray
 
tommyceilings said:
I'll say what a lot of people are thinking regardless of marsman's status.

It comes off as a penie measuring contest, and why in the world would it need to be 20k, do you really need attention to yourself?

OK, I am starting a new tournament at the DCC, it's a $4.3M entry fee and first place will pay 15M

Like a 1k entry fee tournament isn't enough, someone has to say hey look at me, reminds me of a person from Las Vegas who wanted to add a tournament to the DCC.

There is no need for something like this, and it continues to take away from the DCC. People pay money to watch players at the DCC on PPV and in person, all these extra things that go on, take the wind out of their sails and take away from Greg's baby.
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It may just be an added event for the big money to show off, but why not try it for a year, it could be pretty interesting.
Not near as interesting as a 25K Loufig-JB match, but still pretty interesting.
 
tommyceilings said:
I'll say what a lot of people are thinking regardless of marsman's status.

It comes off as a penie measuring contest, and why in the world would it need to be 20k, do you really need attention to yourself?

OK, I am starting a new tournament at the DCC, it's a $4.3M entry fee and first place will pay 15M

Like a 1k entry fee tournament isn't enough, someone has to say hey look at me, reminds me of a person from Las Vegas who wanted to add a tournament to the DCC.

There is no need for something like this, and it continues to take away from the DCC. People pay money to watch players at the DCC on PPV and in person, all these extra things that go on, take the wind out of their sails and take away from Greg's baby.
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You may be more "The Lone Ranger" in that line of thinking than you are aware of.....

There are always whales at Derby City who come with stacks of cash to get into the grease... They don't always want to be the lumber yard you are shooting your toothpicks at so this is a way to get action for the bigger patrons/backers in a format that will be a little more high profile than normal and may draw interests out of the east that normally don't make the trip over for DCC....

If Mars is in and has enough time to get the word out having 8 backers coming to DCC with a horse is likely going to happen... Aside from the backers challenge I would say those 8 horses will do a lot of running around in the action room playing people not in the event...

Greg likes the idea... John likes the idea... SO far most of the responses on here like the idea...

I hope the idea gets traction... My concern is the logistics... Fitting in the backers challenge may be troublesome depending on the race length/number of sets and the window when the event will come off.. I assume it will be held after the matches complete for the day as they are already dancing to keep the brackets moving with the existing satellite offerings going on.....
 
I would you get 8 stakehorses if the players are drawn for, but with you taking SVB for the same 20k the other 7 pay minus the top oick...good luck with that. Johnnyt
 
I love it.

But do we want 2 10 ball events on the big table with many of the same players at the same event? Maybe raising the entry of the Bigfoot challenge to 20k would get the job done. I don't know; this is above my pay grade. I'll watch!


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Johnnyt said:
I would you get 8 stakehorses if the players are drawn for, but with you taking SVB for the same 20k the other 7 pay minus the top oick...good luck with that. Johnnyt
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You think the Pinoy or Chinese backers want Shane over the guys they can bring? Shane has been on a good run but I am betting Jay can name a few Chinese/Taipei and Pinoys who don't have to be dogs playing Shane... I'd also suspect that a few Europeans might be able to pick up backers..

It's gambling and the thing is these guys are in it to gamble.. They are not lock artists who only back someone who has the stone cold nuts.. Thinking there aren't 7 players out in the whole wide world who can't get there against Shane is ludicrous..
 
The Renfro said:
You think the Pinoy or Chinese backers want Shane over the guys they can bring? Shane has been on a good run but I am betting Jay can name a few Chinese/Taipei and Pinoys who don't have to be dogs playing Shane... I'd also suspect that a few Europeans might be able to pick up backers..

It's gambling and the thing is these guys are in it to gamble.. They are not lock artists who only back someone who has the stone cold nuts.. Thinking there aren't 7 players out in the whole wide world who can't get there against Shane is ludicrous..
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If there all gamblers let all 8 draw for who they get. Johnnyt
 
SVB would definitely be most peoples #1 pick to back.
Not that it would be needed but what could be done to even the field & make it more attractive for potential stake horses & players.
Already 10' table is a bonus. Make it have tight pockets.
Break from the box, no jump cues,10 ball last ball made, a longer race?
I think Mars has a good idea & I think it's gonna happen.
 
Johnnyt said:
If there all gamblers let all 8 draw for who they get. Johnnyt
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In that line of thinking... screw the pool have em all flip quarters for it....

Backers and players tend to have relationships developed and tested over time... Mars has backed Shane a ton in the past so I could see that would be who his pick is since he knows and trusts Shane... It's not like 8 players are invited... 8 backers have to sign on to bring their player to the show...
 
tommyceilings said:
I'll say what a lot of people are thinking regardless of marsman's status.

It comes off as a penie measuring contest, and why in the world would it need to be 20k, do you really need attention to yourself?

OK, I am starting a new tournament at the DCC, it's a $4.3M entry fee and first place will pay 15M

Like a 1k entry fee tournament isn't enough, someone has to say hey look at me, reminds me of a person from Las Vegas who wanted to add a tournament to the DCC.

There is no need for something like this, and it continues to take away from the DCC. People pay money to watch players at the DCC on PPV and in person, all these extra things that go on, take the wind out of their sails and take away from Greg's baby.
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Guess Greg doesn't think these add on events take the wind out of the sails or why else would he
offer to pay for the rooms for the whole tournament for the backers if this was his opinion...
...He Wouldn't is the answer...You're post reeks of jealousy...
 
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The Renfro said:
In that line of thinking... screw the pool have em all flip quarters for it....

Backers and players tend to have relationships developed and tested over time... Mars has backed Shane a ton in the past so I could see that would be who his pick is since he knows and trusts Shane... It's not like 8 players are invited... 8 backers have to sign on to bring their player to the show...
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I know he backs Shane, but that don't give him first shot at him in a case like this. I'm done with this. Johnnyt
 
Johnnyt said:
I know he backs Shane, but that don't give him first shot at him in a case like this. I'm done with this. Johnnyt
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JohnnyT let me ask you this:

If your betting your $20,000 on a player are you going to let someone else tell you
who you can bet on... I didn't think so... apparently neither is Mars.

Whats so wrong with that???
 
The more I thought about it I don't think their will be a problem getting 8 players.
Hell you might have to bump it up to 16.
I mean $20G is a lot of money for one person to stake but if you get 4 or 5 to kick in on a player for a chance at big money these gamblers will be coming out of the wood work.
 
Love the idea and I hope it goes off no matter what.
Of course I have to be the one to say this, so I will. I think it would be much easier to get 8 players staked for that amount if the game were American Rotation lol funny I know but its true. True because the game is based more on play and everybody is going to get their chances to shoot. Not saying Shane can't play gr8, cuz he does! But that break puts him ahead of a lot of players that can play like he does. AR would be very exciting for everyone and easier to get stakehorses and players involved. Anyone interested should watch a match or two to se what I'm talking about at www.AmericanBilliardClub.com To me it's clear as day but I suspect my sanity day to day. Races to 125 points 2 out of 3 sets would take 2-3 hrs with these guys.
 
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