2 more stolen cues recovered! Tank you God for stipid criminals

[krelldog]

For the record:

Its a crime to steal other peoples property. Its also a crime if you knowingly accept stolen goods. Its also a crime if you knowingly transport stolen goods across state lines. And its also a crime if you extort the rightful owner for payment for the return of his property.

Sorry...the absolute second that Mr Frost became aware that the cues were stolen....and he still took possession was the same second that he broke the law. When he was "offered" a reward (500 bucks) for the safe return of the cues to the rightful owner..this was his window of opportunity to make the situation right/put 500 bucks in his pocket/and avoid being criminally prosecuted. Mr Frost declined.....so the rightful owner of the cues did what he had to do. Mr Frost needs to kick himself in the a$$ for being stupid...greedy...and obviously very naive on how the laws of our land work. This should serve as a great wake up call for all the low life thieves in the pool world-who steal pool cues/and all the dirtbag opportunists who choose to knowingly buy stolen cues at discounted prices. Memo to the above: Its a felony on both ends.

 

[JB Cases]

Last time I checked, eating turkey wasn't illegal.

You posted this after 179 posts in the thread.

This is what you call moving on? Next time you call me out on something try not to be hypocritical about it

Please send me a sign next time that you decide a thread is over so I can know when to stop posting.

 

[JB Cases]

I read Robert's post, and he said they came to an agreement on $2000 and he would have taken the $500 if they didn't agree on it. He didn't "extort" cornerstone, they negotiated a price for a reward on the cues. There is a difference. I am not defending the actions of Robert, I'm just saying there are two sides to every story and you can't believe everything you hear or read. If everything mister cornerstone says is true, I am 100% in agreeance with him. If what Robert says is true, I also agree with Robert. I'm just saying don't judge a man by what others say about him. Go to the source and make sure you have all the true facts about people before placing judgement on them. Not saying that cornerstone is a liar, because I obviously don't know him, but I have never known Robert to be a liar. And if he is lying, it will eventually come out in court, or whatever process they are going through.

I can tell you this. If someone calls me up and starts negotiating with me to get my property back then I am likely to "agree" to anything just to get them to show up with my property so that the police can arrest them.

I have been "extorted" by "negotiation" on a much smaller scale. Twice I have left my phone in the taxi. The first time the taxi driver returned it for the price of the fare from where he was when I called him to where I was. Perfect fair and he refused the extra money I tried to give him.

The second time the guy actually negotiated with my wife and we ended up giving him 200 to bring us the phone. I was really pissed but had essentially no choice. Now in this scenario he was negotiating for payment of his time as he could have simply turned in the phone at the lost and found at the dispatch and made me go get it. So while I was angry I wasn't thinking that what he did was criminal. But it certainly wasn't right or moral to profit so blatantly off my misfortune.

 

[JB Cases]

Keep the story straight? As in, "Don't confuse me with additional facts or logic. I prefer the first version?"

You just will never get it.

Keep the story straight as to what was said. Before you accuse me of making up things to support my side then you should not do that very thing.

And I guess Bill busted your little theory that he must be in the wrong because he was quiet in the thread for a day. Gee, he wasn't taking the time every couple hours from the show floor to interact with you and your blame-the-victim crusade and therefore he must be a liar..... sound logic there partner, very sound.

 

[Mr. Wilson]

Bear in mind people, the story is just that....a story.

You are not judge and jury. At best we are Monday Night arm chair Quarterbacks.

"you should have done it this way"..."He should have done it this way"...."I would have done it this way".................

All speculation.


Facts;
The cues are in the rightful owners hands. The person who "returned" them will have an opportunity to plead his case to an autority.


Until then, what is there for you to argue about?

 

[GoldenFlash]

I can tell you this. If someone calls me up and starts negotiating with me to get my property back then I am likely to "agree" to anything just to get them to show up with my property so that the police can arrest them.

The second time the guy actually negotiated with my wife and we ended up giving him 200 to bring us the phone. I was really pissed but had essentially no choice. Now in this scenario he was negotiating for payment of his time as he could have simply turned in the phone at the lost and found at the dispatch and made me go get it. So while I was angry I wasn't thinking that what he did was criminal. But it certainly wasn't right or moral to profit so blatantly off my misfortune.

On this second time..why didn't you take the deal and when the guy showed up, simply crawfished on it, and gave him the business just to teach him a lesson about "negotiating" reward money.? (Don't tell me you coudn't "get" your phone with him standing right in front of you????)

 

[SJDinPHX]

Bear in mind people, the story is just that....a story.

You are not judge and jury. At best we are Monday Night arm chair Quarterbacks.

"you should have done it this way"..."He should have done it this way"...."I would have done it this way".................

All speculation.


Facts;
The cues are in the rightful owners hands. The person who "returned" them will have an opportunity to plead his case to an autority.


Until then, what is there for you to argue about?

Pardon me Mr. Wilson, but I was under the assumption, that if ALL the "argumentative" threads were banned..The AZ Main Forum would become a 'ghost town.'

If I may be so bold as to suggest, I believe that AZ Billiards, has become so big...That the dire need for sub-forums is evident. May I respectfully submit a few S-F's myself.

#1 'Naysayer's Aiming System Forum <--(obviously comprised of the FEW elite player's, who dare to venture here)
#2 'Yeasayer's Aiming System (ASS Group) Forum <--(simple end, to a major problem)
#3 Obvious "Banger Non-Sensible" Forum <--(ie, my chalk, is better than yours. Na,na,na)
#4 Sensible Posts That Have SOME Redeeming Qualities Forum <--(rare, but needed)

I realize this may increase your workload..But, it may also create a little peace and harmony, sadly lacking in any thread I've seen to date ! (but then I've only been here a few years)..

Respectfully,

SJD...AKA Dick Mc Morran...:thumbup:

 

[JAM]

...Respectfully,

SJD...AKA Dick Mc Morran...:thumbup:

Love your avatar. I'm a Will Bullas fan.

Pair of jacks, anybody?

 

[chefjeff]

I know Robert well and have always thought he was a pretty good guy. His honesty and integrity was beyond repute in our relationship. He has always treated me respectfully and others I observed him around. I hope that this is some type of mix up and hopefully it will get resolved. I think more will come about this story and Robert's name will be cleared up. He should of took the 500 and did the right thing. Sometimes in pool and gambling we get caught up with the wrong folks and I truly believe Robert did acquire the cues from a gambling debt and was probably short on money so he held out and thought Bill would give him 2k. That was his mistake and greed. Overall Robert Frost is a good guy and spiritual. I'm sure he is praying to the man now. We all make mistakes. I hope he stays strong and comes through all of this ok.

He should have WHAT???????????!!!!!!!!!!!!

Fug him and fug you!!!!!!

Jeff Livingston

 

[JB Cases]

On this second time..why didn't you take the deal and when the guy showed up, simply crawfished on it, and gave him the business just to teach him a lesson about "negotiating" reward money.? (Don't tell me you coudn't "get" your phone with him standing right in front of you????)

I could have tried that but in the interest of the larger goal of getting my phone back I went along with the deal and it was only $30. So I chalked it up to a bad roll and vowed to try and pay more attention to my phone.

I guess you have never had to face someone coming at you with a tire iron or a knife. I wouldn't want to get into an argument with a taxi driver over this and make a huge scene. The only time I physically got into it with a taxi driver is when he almost hit me and my child as we were walking across the street. He came barrelling in after going around another car to cut a corner and stopped within an inch of my legs.

 

[chefjeff]

Robert Frost is a really good guy, this mess is more than likely a misunderstanding. The same goes for Eric Denson, these 2 guys are stand up guys!! This so called POOL community, is a joke, here lets all write letters and send commisary to some dope dealer who gets caught, but these 2 guys who have never been in trouble before, Oh lets them have it!! WTH? And it sounds like the wrong guys are getting punished, where is Port Huron Bill?? And if you knew he stole the cues, 3 years ago, why haven't you prosecuted him yet?? Its not like pool players lay that low, I'm sure you could have found him. Just ask the real pool community what kind of guys these 2 are, they're nice guys (especially for this kind of lifestyle).

p.s. what kind of person just leaves $5000 worth of cues just laying around for someone to steal??

Now it is the victim's fault?

Jeff Livingston

 

[JB Cases]

Bear in mind people, the story is just that....a story.

You are not judge and jury. At best we are Monday Night arm chair Quarterbacks.

"you should have done it this way"..."He should have done it this way"...."I would have done it this way".................

All speculation.


Facts;
The cues are in the rightful owners hands. The person who "returned" them will have an opportunity to plead his case to an autority.


Until then, what is there for you to argue about?

Come on Dave You know that we can always find something to argue about. That's half the content.

We even argue about how to argue.

 

[chefjeff]

my location changed bc im not there right now douche!! and i honestly dont care if my rep takes a beating for these 2.. i think that yeh its stupid that the guys cues got stolen, sorry bud. glad u got those back... but i also think its a waste of ur guys' energy to say crap like "hope they find boyfriends" and crap like that... they aren't criminals in the sense like they go out looking for this crap. so go find some real criminals to bust on. and oh btw learn to draw ur ball while ur out there trying to find some more people to diss!

Unbelievable that anyone could excuse this with such drivel.

More unbelievable is she thinks anyone will buy this crap.

wow. I thought pool players were street smart.

Jeff Livingston

 

[chefjeff]

"(snip)

"How is it any issue to the original owner of property how someone came into possession of it? It doesn't matter that Robert had his money in a game."

(snip).

Wow!

I have a little hint for you: It was his STOLEN property.

Jeff Livingston

 

[JB Cases]

Jeff forget it. Some people here would steal your grandma's teeth and charge her to bring them back.

 

[JAM]

Jeff forget it. Some people here would steal your grandma's teeth and charge her to bring them back.

You mean I can get my teeth returned to me for free?

 

[chefjeff]

Have you ever stuffed yourself to the gills on thanksgiving day....knowing the whole time how great that food taste? But immediately after you get done eating your like "man i shouldn't have done that" or have you ever done anything ethically wrong and immediately after said to yourself "man i shouldn't have done that".....well when those cuffs were around my hands, i didn't feel like that....I felt like i was doing the right thing...
Me and eric was offered more than $2000 for those cues several times, but from the moment we found out that they were stolen we tryed to find out who they were stolen from, and we didn't sell them because we didn't want to do to them what was done to us. we did a google search for stolen chris nitti cues and stolen mike bender cues, and through the help of the AZ forums....thats how we came in contact with the gentlemen we were to meet in michigan.
When we obtained the cues, we had absolutely no idea that they were stolen. All i knew was i had $2500 invested in them and i was flat broke. But when i contacted this gentlemen he did offer a $500 reward and i told him the whole story of what happened, i told him i had $2500 invested in these cues and i would take a $500 dummy loss for ending up with them and take $2000, knowing that the cues were worth alot more. He acted like this would not be a problem, he said he had to get a couple checks cashed but it shouldn't be a problem. Make no mistake about it, regardless of whether i got paid for these cues....i was going to give them back to him, because they were worthless to me.
I am not a thief or a felon, i am a pool player....The march issue was over a suspended liscense...I have never been convicted of any crimes because i have not been involved in any. I don't consider myself your typical pool player, i don't drink or do any drugs, i don't even smoke cigarettes. i believe in God, Morals, Heaven and Hell..
So cornerstone, I didn't know i was getting stolen property, i didn't think from our conversations we were extorting you....I thought we were negotiating a deal to where you recovered your cues for a fair price and i was recovering some of my losses as well. I don't regret calling you, because my eyes have been opened, i am a better person today than i was a week ago for just being in that cell with 15 other guys and hearing their stories...I found out just how lucky I am to have a family that loves me and will do anything for me. Alot of those guys didn't have loved ones to call and help them out...but i was one of the lucky ones...One of the guys in that cell was all tatted up and him and his buddies were looking at 20 years or so and on his back it red "Only God can judge me" That statement is oh so true and going forward that is my motto.
Me and you both lost in this deal cornerstone and i apologize if i offended you.

:thud::thud::thud:


I almost cried reading that....almost.

Jeff Livingston

 

[chefjeff]

Jeff forget it. Some people here would steal your grandma's teeth and charge her to bring them back.

I'm done.

I've been a theft victim too many times to buy any of this. Everytime the perp is caught, the excuses begin.

I'm surprised that "mommy spanked me" wasn't used as one.

Jeff Livingston

 

[cueaddicts]

Jeff forget it. Some people here would steal your grandma's teeth and charge her to bring them back.

That's about the long and short of it. This is a great example....the only thing wrong with pool is poolplayers. Oh, yeah, and let's be sure to teach our children to gamble/hustle. :thumbup:

 

[risky biz]

Quote:
Originally Posted by risky biz [NEVER POSTED BY RISKY BIZ]
"(snip)

"How is it any issue to the original owner of property how someone came into possession of it? It doesn't matter that Robert had his money in a game."

(snip).

Wow!

I have a little hint for you: It was his STOLEN property.

Jeff Livingston

If you had a shred of ethics you wouldn't be fabricating something from someone else's post to look like my post. There's also a bizarre aspect in that you can't even discern that the person who posted this is agreeing with you. And that's while you're "explaining" the correct way to understand something.