2 more stolen cues recovered! Tank you God for stipid criminals

[Rotarded]

but from the moment we found out that they were stolen we tryed to find out who they were stolen from,

But when i contacted this gentlemen he did offer a $500 reward and i told him the whole story of what happened, i told him i had $2500 invested in these cues and i would take a $500 dummy loss for ending up with them and take $2000, knowing that the cues were worth alot more.

In his own words. No spin, no fabrication, no conjecture, and no judgement as to the character of these individuals.

Presented to a jury, this convicts him of receiving stolen property and extortion. Intentions are simply immaterial.

 

[kvinbrwr]

In his own words. No spin, no fabrication, no conjecture, and no judgement as to the character of these individuals.

Presented to a jury, this convicts him of receiving stolen property and extortion. Intentions are simply immaterial.

Yup 2 felony counts.

No jury will hear it. Robert was OK with posting his account here because he has no doubt already given this rendition in his "doing the right thing" explanation to the police. Robert was saying "why", the police were hearing (and taping) "confession". No jury is hearing this. They have confessed (my conjecture granted) the DA will string the sentences together which will sound (and be) horrendous. They were caught red-handed and have probably confessed and they will plea out.

For those that think Robert's receiving stolen goods as payment of a gambling debt somehow mitigates his actions, please find me a sitting judge anywhere (let alone Michigan) who would hear the gambling debt explanation one iota different from Robert explaining that he had innocently taken possession of stolen property in payment of a drug debt.

Again, I don't know this is even a circumstance where Bill can drop the charges, but if I were these guys I would be kneeling on his doorstep, begging for him to do so.

Kevin

 

[smoooothstroke]

A similar thing happened in this area with a $400.00 cue.The cue was returned no charge to the original owner.The cue thief was branded a thief and air-barreler but was never charged and still gambles in the area.There was no reward in this case but the cue returner was considered a stand up guy for doing the right thing.

IMO and admittedly I haven't read the entire thread-The cues should have been returned to the rightful owner,the thief turned into the police for the theft and still owes the gambling debt.The person who won the cues gambling should have accepted the reward only for returning the cues otherwise he becomes an accessory IMO.

 

[GoldenFlash]

I could have tried that but in the interest of the larger goal of getting my phone back I went along with the deal and it was only $30. So I chalked it up to a bad roll and vowed to try and pay more attention to my phone.

I guess you have never had to face someone coming at you with a tire iron or a knife. I wouldn't want to get into an argument with a taxi driver over this and make a huge scene. The only time I physically got into it with a taxi driver is when he almost hit me and my child as we were walking across the street. He came barrelling in after going around another car to cut a corner and stopped within an inch of my legs.

And you don't know how to handle that on the spot?

 

[ribdoner]

Bill,

i'm glad you got your cues back

adam

 

[tommyceilings]

I guess that was meant to be cute


It was 2 questions, one of which if answered yes had additional questions.
If answered no, then there were 2.

Glad you were able to add to the thread with your witticism, thanks.:thumbup:

By my limited math skills, I count 4 questions there....

 

[lorider]

I have 2 questions which I haven't seen asked yet.

Where was the conversation taped? What state and what was the means of the taping, you in MI to him in KY, land line to land line, cell to cell?
In person with a cell phone or tape recorder?

Did you have insurance on the sticks?

mr cornerstone stated he had the conversations with mr frost on tape. he didnt go into detail whether it was landline or cellphone.

it was also stated he did not have insurance on these cues.

 

[$TAKE HOR$E]

In his own words. No spin, no fabrication, no conjecture, and no judgement as to the character of these individuals.

Presented to a jury, this convicts him of receiving stolen property and extortion. Intentions are simply immaterial.

You might as well quote this part as well. Extortion, possibly if everything happened exactly the way the op states. Receiving stolen property, if they didnt know it at that time then that charge would be added soley on the possible extortion factor.

When we obtained the cues, we had absolutely no idea that they were stolen.

Here is a good scenerio for everyone to think about, not just because of this incident but in the receiving stolen property business all together. If I walk into a poolroom in a town that I have never been to and someone has a few cues laid out on a table and is selling them and I buy one not knowing it is stolen does that make me a criminal? If I then travel back home which is several states away and sell the cue would I be charged with selling stolen property and crossing states lines with it? One charge turns into a snowball and ends up being one after another after another.

This is a bad situation no matter how you look at it but its also a good wake up call for everyone in the cue world. Seldom do you see things like this end up where everyone involved is happy and a lot of times rightfully so. I knew Bill had a lot of highend cues stolen only because I read it on here. I didnt disect the list and go over each one and after a long period of time passed, I as well as many other people on here probably couldnt pick the stolen cues out of a lineup and I gurantee your run of the mill poolplayer couldnt. There are a number of AZ members that deal in cues and if someone said they were selling one or both of the cues in question for way less than the market value they would probably have bought them, so would they go to jail for that? If I bought them and found out they were Bills I would for sure have called him and returned them, and even though thats a crime I guess it would cancel out the receiving stolen property bit.

 

[tommyceilings]

Sometimes people tape things thinking they are helping the cause or handing the case on a silver platter to the cops, when in fact they are breaking many laws themselves by recording the conversation without consent, hence asking how it was taped.

mr cornerstone stated he had the conversations with mr frost on tape. he didnt go into detail whether it was landline or cellphone.

it was also stated he did not have insurance on these cues.

 

[ribdoner]

You might as well quote this part as well. Extortion, possibly if everything happened exactly the way the op states. Receiving stolen property, if they didnt know it at that time then that charge would be added soley on the possible extortion factor.


Here is a good scenerio for everyone to think about, not just because of this incident but in the receiving stolen property business all together. If I walk into a poolroom in a town that I have never been to and someone has a few cues laid out on a table and is selling them and I buy one not knowing it is stolen does that make me a criminal? If I then travel back home which is several states away and sell the cue would I be charged with selling stolen property and crossing states lines with it? One charge turns into a snowball and ends up being one after another after another.

This is a bad situation no matter how you look at it but its also a good wake up call for everyone in the cue world. Seldom do you see things like this end up where everyone involved is happy and a lot of times rightfully so. I knew Bill had a lot of highend cues stolen only because I read it on here. I didnt disect the list and go over each one and after a long period of time passed, I as well as many other people on here probably couldnt pick the stolen cues out of a lineup and I gurantee your run of the mill poolplayer couldnt. There are a number of AZ members that deal in cues and if someone said they were selling one or both of the cues in question for way less than the market value they would probably have bought them, so would they go to jail for that? If I bought them and found out they were Bills I would for sure have called him and returned them, and even though thats a crime I guess it would cancel out the receiving stolen property bit.

Murky at best, will lead to a wet dream for some attorney's.

 

[mia]

I have 2 questions which I haven't seen asked yet.

Where was the conversation taped? What state and what was the means of the taping, you in MI to him in KY, land line to land line, cell to cell?
In person with a cell phone or tape recorder?

Did you have insurance on the sticks?

One question for you:

1) In what way is that "two questions"?

- B <------- still thinks this whole thread is "stipid".

 

[gsm1sw]

Sometimes people tape things thinking they are helping the cause or handing the case on a silver platter to the cops, when in fact they are breaking many laws themselves by recording the conversation without consent, hence asking how it was taped.

the courts have ruled that in Michigan, a party may record their own conversation without the consent of any other parties (cut and paste from wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telephone_recording_laws)

 

[Ken_4fun]

Here is my plea

Well, here is my point.

I hope, and encourage Bill to make sure these guys get everything they deserve. I encourage Bill to talk to the prosecutor and make sure no "plea bargins" or lesser charges are given.

Bill - if you let these guys get away with this you are just helping them steal our cues, or guns, or whatever.

Once they knew that the cues were stolen, and knew who they belonged to and then started "negotiating", in my book they deserve time, not probation, not a slap, but time.

Ken

 

[justadub]

I guess that was meant to be cute


It was 2 questions, one of which if answered yes had additional questions.
If answered no, then there were 2.

Glad you were able to add to the thread with your witticism, thanks.:thumbup:

Glad you liked it so much. I'm all about helping.

It seems to me that everyone seems to have this topic beaten to death. Any contribution from me other than attempted levity is useless, at this point.

 

[risky biz]

. . . some of your comments disturb me.

you call him a criminal for an unpaid traffic ticket ? well i was faced with the same situation for the 1st time in my life a few years ago at the age of 56. the 1st time that ever happened to me ,does that make me a criminal?i have never been in jail in my life but according to your holier than thou attitude i am classified a criminal.

the gambling comment disturbs me also. you classify gamblers as criminals . if anyone that has bought a cue from you and has gambled on a pool match is a criminal in your eyes. does that make a fine upstanding christian like you a hypocrite for doing bussiness with criminals ?

if he was a criminal why didnt he sell either one of those cues for what he asked you to reimbuse him he was out of ? he wouldnt have had to go across 2 state lines to do it either.

bottom line is after he claims he told you the whole story did you say yea yea i will give you 2,000.00 and set him up for extortion ? i wouldnt normaly think that except some of your holier than thou comments about low life degenerate pool players got me to wondering what the truth really is.

It smelled funny to me right from the start for some of the reasons you mention. The most glaring illogic of Cornerstone's whole version is why would Robert Frost, who supposedly was thoroughly permeated with criminal intent, go to such difficult lengths to sell him for $2,000 cues that were worth $11,000? It would have been much easier and less risky to sell the cues for much more. It just doesn't hold together.

It also streches my credulity after reading some of the comments by people who know Robert Frost that he is some sort of Jekyll and Hyde character.

Hopefully the true story will come out and we'll finally see who's who. It would make a great plot for a screenplay.

 

[JB Cases]

Does it occur to you that Bill is also fed up with the whole thing and maybe has the right to be a little "colorful" with the account of things from his perspective? In his mind MAYBE people who would "negotiate" the release of items that are his to begin with are simply criminals.

After he is the one who was stolen from. How about we don't forget that?

 

[Hungarian]

I say that the rightful owner do a drawing based on the post numbers. Who ever is drawn gets the Bender.

 

[$TAKE HOR$E]

I say that the rightful owner do a drawing based on the post numbers. Who ever is drawn gets the Bender.

Wow, this is an awesome pick me up for this thread. Not being sarcastic here, I actually laughed.

I may do a spin off of this when selling a cue. Start a thread and when its full whatever number im thinking of wins the cue, or would that be a raffle?

 

[tommyceilings]

You are not completely right there. That depends greatly on where the other party is, and the mode of communication.

If one party is in MI and the other in KY and a cellphone is involved, or one party is in MI and the other in KY and one cellphone is involved.



QUOTE=gsm1sw;3292539]the courts have ruled that in Michigan, a party may record their own conversation without the consent of any other parties (cut and paste from wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telephone_recording_laws)[/QUOTE]

 

[lorider]

You are not completely right there. That depends greatly on where the other party is, and the mode of communication.

If one party is in MI and the other in KY and a cellphone is involved, or one party is in MI and the other in KY and one cellphone is involved.



QUOTE=gsm1sw;3292539]the courts have ruled that in Michigan, a party may record their own conversation without the consent of any other parties (cut and paste from wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telephone_recording_laws)

[/QUOTE]

some very interesting information in that link.

the law in the state of michigan states it is illegal to record telephone conservations without the consent of all parties involved.

there are criminal and civil penalties for disclosing recorded conversations to the public without all the parties involved consent.