2 more stolen cues recovered! Tank you God for stipid criminals

[risky biz]

The second time the guy actually negotiated with my wife and we ended up giving him 200 to bring us the phone. I was really pissed but had essentially no choice. Now in this scenario he was negotiating for payment of his time as he could have simply turned in the phone at the lost and found at the dispatch and made me go get it. So while I was angry I wasn't thinking that what he did was criminal. But it certainly wasn't right or moral to profit so blatantly off my misfortune.

Why shouldn't he be compensated for his time? Do you think everyone should be your personal delivery boy because you seem to have a habit of leaving your cellphone lying in random locations? You could have just told him to turn it in to lost and found.

Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldenFlash
On this second time..why didn't you take the deal and when the guy showed up, simply crawfished on it, and gave him the business just to teach him a lesson about "negotiating" reward money.? (Don't tell me you coudn't "get" your phone with him standing right in front of you????)

I could have tried that but in the interest of the larger goal of getting my phone back I went along with the deal and it was only $30.

$200? $30? "Keeping the story straight".

 

[risky biz]

Jeff forget it. Some people here would steal your grandma's teeth and charge her to bring them back.

Or you could just have them turn them into lost and found. But you'd probably figure out some way to claim that victimized you.

 

[Hungarian]

I read Robert's post, and he said they came to an agreement on $2000 and he would have taken the $500 if they didn't agree on it. He didn't "extort" cornerstone, they negotiated a price for a reward on the cues. There is a difference. I am not defending the actions of Robert, I'm just saying there are two sides to every story and you can't believe everything you hear or read. If everything mister cornerstone says is true, I am 100% in agreeance with him. If what Robert says is true, I also agree with Robert. I'm just saying don't judge a man by what others say about him. Go to the source and make sure you have all the true facts about people before placing judgement on them. Not saying that cornerstone is a liar, because I obviously don't know him, but I have never known Robert to be a liar. And if he is lying, it will eventually come out in court, or whatever process they are going through.

What a joke this has become. I am judging Mr. Frost on his admission. Rewards are not negotiatible. It's called extortion.

Let me offer an example:
Let's assume you own a car. Let's call in a 1966 GTO just because I like GTO's. Someone steals it and you are heart broken because your loved this car not to mention it's worth $40,000. Some time later you get a call from a guy who tells you he has your car. You say great and offer him a $5,000 dollar reward. But the guy tells you the following:
1.) I have $25,000 invested in the car becasue it was paid to me as a gambling debt.
2.) Plus, it's worth way more than $5,000.
3.) So based on these two facts I want you to increase the reward to $20,000.

My question is how would this make you feel and how would you respond?

 

[cornerstone]

Quote:
Originally Posted by risky biz [NEVER POSTED BY RISKY BIZ]
"(snip)

"How is it any issue to the original owner of property how someone came into possession of it? It doesn't matter that Robert had his money in a game."

(snip).



If you had a shred of ethics you wouldn't be fabricating something from someone else's post to look like my post. There's also a bizarre aspect in that you can't even discern that the person who posted this is agreeing with you. And that's while you're "explaining" the correct way to understand something.

Iam not sitting here trying to justify criminal behavior. if you comit a crime, lets all be lawyers here and see how many holes we can find in the leagle system or justify behavior. because God forbid we would ever condone such behavior and if any children or teens are reading this " its ok to be a victum but just be a passive one, and in the end pay the perps cash,so they will be likly to do this again"
May God bless you all including rf and eb, we all find our way eventually.

Our actions today produce a group of people tomorrow, that follow in our footsteps the next generation!
I cannot believe this post!

 

[chefjeff]

Quote:
Originally Posted by risky biz [NEVER POSTED BY RISKY BIZ]
"(snip)

"How is it any issue to the original owner of property how someone came into possession of it? It doesn't matter that Robert had his money in a game."

(snip).



If you had a shred of ethics you wouldn't be fabricating something from someone else's post to look like my post. There's also a bizarre aspect in that you can't even discern that the person who posted this is agreeing with you. And that's while you're "explaining" the correct way to understand something.

It came from your post # 87.

If you were quoting another post, you can use the QUOTE button so we know who is saying what. Like when you quoted me, there was another quote above it mixed with it. This happens when QUOTEing a post and losing one of the brackets so the QUOTE command doesn't work as it should.

I'll be more careful in the future. thanks.

Jeff Livingston

 

[risky biz]

I have been quiet because i have been at a cue show in chicago, and yes risky, your friend, admitted on taped conversations , that he knew they were stolen when he took them in payment on a gambling debit that he was out nothing except the time on the table.and his friend that he was playing asked to keep the cues 30 days until he could get them back because they did not want them getting out.. they admitted they knew they were stolen to me and the police. i did offer 500.00 reward but they would accept nothing less than 2000. because they can sell them anywhere for more. !! 1) they knew they were stolen and continued to play with them for close to a month all around the cincinnatti area. instead of returning them and accepting the 500.00 and telling us who they got them from. the decided to say the cues are worth alot more and "didn't you get insurance?" we will only take 2000 and we want to keep our friend out of this . even though he lost 2000 to us in a match he did not have . so they got to hand the rightfully over to the police and tell them who there friend was that told them to hold the stolen prop.

I was a victim of a crime.my stuff was stolen. roberts friend knew that and told robert to hold them until he could pay. robert told me and the police he knew they were stolen. 1 its a crime to posses stolen merch.2 its a crime to hold out for money somones possessions until they pay.3 its a crime to gamble in a non regulated manor.4 its a crime to drive on a suspended lic. 5 its a crime to be stupid enough to think its not!

If this version is correct then I would consider him guilty of not just extortion but theft as in accessory after the fact. If he admitted when he first contacted you that he knew the cues were stolen before he accepted them I would see nothing wrong with offering money to lure him.

But there sure is a yawning gap between your version of this story and theirs. It will be interesting to see what testimony under oath produces.

And give us a break please with the "gambling is a crime" and "traffic tickets are a crime" nonsense.

 

[risky biz]

It came from your post # 87.

If you were quoting another post, you can use the QUOTE button so we know who is saying what. Like when you quoted me, there was another quote above it mixed with it. This happens when QUOTEing a post and losing one of the brackets so the QUOTE command doesn't work as it should.

I'll be more careful in the future. thanks.

Jeff Livingston

Don't start now at this point in your life just on my account.

 

[risky biz]

Iam not sitting here trying to justify criminal behavior. if you comit a crime, lets all be lawyers here and see how many holes we can find in the leagle system or justify behavior. because God forbid we would ever condone such behavior and if any children or teens are reading this " its ok to be a victum but just be a passive one, and in the end pay the perps cash,so they will be likly to do this again"
May God bless you all including rf and eb, we all find our way eventually.

Our actions today produce a group of people tomorrow, that follow in our footsteps the next generation!
I cannot believe this post!

I would guess it's highly unlikely that anyone could even figure out what the hell you're even talking about and that's aside from the fact that those are words that "Jeff" fabricated to look like mine.

 

[risky biz]

That's about the long and short of it. This is a great example....the only thing wrong with pool is poolplayers. Oh, yeah, and let's be sure to teach our children to gamble/hustle. :thumbup:

That's easy enough for you to say only because God gave you the gift of being able to know the truth about everything by reading a few paragraphs on the internet.

You guys who seize on any negative story that even marginally involves someone connected to pool and portray it as reflective of most or even a significant portion of all pool players are a real joke. If you hate poolplayers so much why don't you take up lawn bowling or something?

Give us a break with the "gambling is a crime" attitude, too. Human beings have been wagering for thousands of years and it's utterly normal.

 

[Hungarian]

That's easy enough for you to say only because God gave you the gift of being able to know the truth about everything by reading a few paragraphs on the internet.

You guys who seize on any negative story that even marginally involves someone connected to pool and portray it as reflective of most or even a significant portion of all pool players are a real joke. If you hate poolplayers so much why don't you take up lawn bowling or something?

Give us a break with the "gambling is a crime" attitude, too. Human beings have been wagering for thousands of years and it's utterly normal.

You are a clown. Mr. Frost admitted to criminal activities. Again, you are a fool.

 

[cornerstone]

risky biz, your family members got caught! go to court and plead there case , iam sure the judge wants to hear your reasoning.but the tapes and there testimony to the police is very cut and dry

 

[cueaddicts]

That's easy enough for you to say only because God gave you the gift of being able to know the truth about everything by reading a few paragraphs on the internet.

You guys who seize on any negative story that even marginally involves someone connected to pool and portray it as reflective of most or even a significant portion of all pool players are a real joke. If you hate poolplayers so much why don't you take up lawn bowling or something?

Give us a break with the "gambling is a crime" attitude, too. Human beings have been wagering for thousands of years and it's utterly normal.

"Gambling is a crime attitude".....wow, nowhere did I say that's my stance. I enjoy a wager every now and then as much as the next guy, but I'm certainly not rushing to teach all the ins and outs of it to my 7 and 8 year old kids.

This isn't a negative story......Bill got his stolen cues back.

Damn, where did I put my troll spray. :smile:

 

[iba7467]

I don't know if Cornerstone is a liar but his story is very illogical and he's been deathly silent in his own thread for quite a while now.

If I were Cornerstone, I would say nothing else in this thread as it is usually frowned upon to discuss the details of a case in public until that case has been resolved.

I seriously doubt this ever goes to trial. Mr. Frost will plea down to what is barely a blip on his record and will never have to report he committed a felony.

 

[cornerstone]

back in 2003 i purchased off ebay a szamboti with the words the ball room on the butt. paying 4650.00 driving down to pick it up cash,he gave me 150 off the price. while getting home i asked barry what the ball room ment? and he told me it was not this guys to sell infact it was a friend or family of barry.
my first response was iam sorry return it to the rightfull owner. Iam out cash!but i chose to do the right thing, and because of that at a later date barry offered my a cue( because of my honesty) and i offered to pay barry for his time cause i did not want him out for trying to do the right thing!and after it was made i sold it for a large sum!! Thank you God, so one good turn turned into another that in turn became another and every one won! except the person that sold it!

 

[$TAKE HOR$E]

Bear in mind people, the story is just that....a story.

You are not judge and jury. At best we are Monday Night arm chair Quarterbacks.

"you should have done it this way"..."He should have done it this way"...."I would have done it this way".................

All speculation.


Facts;
The cues are in the rightful owners hands. The person who "returned" them will have an opportunity to plead his case to an autority.


Until then, what is there for you to argue about?

Exactly.....

I'm done.

I've been a theft victim too many times to buy any of this. Everytime the perp is caught, the excuses begin.

I'm surprised that "mommy spanked me" wasn't used as one.

Jeff Livingston

Tired of reading the same Obama threads in the NPR and move over to the pool part of this pool forum?

 

[kvinbrwr]

I wonder how these guys explained to the police that they thought they were doing the right thing without admitting to at least 2 felonies?

Wouldn't the cops be asking them just what that right thing they did was?

That trial is gonna be a tough haul if they confessed.

I'm sure they were strong willed-enough to keep quiet while the police were playing them the tapes of their phone calls and explaining who this offer or this phrase was a felony.

I'm sure that the "right thing" they admitted to was parking in a public parking lot.

 

[lorider]

I have been quiet because i have been at a cue show in chicago, and yes risky, your friend, admitted on taped conversations , that he knew they were stolen when he took them in payment on a gambling debit that he was out nothing except the time on the table.and his friend that he was playing asked to keep the cues 30 days until he could get them back because they did not want them getting out.. they admitted they knew they were stolen to me and the police. i did offer 500.00 reward but they would accept nothing less than 2000. because they can sell them anywhere for more. !! 1) they knew they were stolen and continued to play with them for close to a month all around the cincinnatti area. instead of returning them and accepting the 500.00 and telling us who they got them from. the decided to say the cues are worth alot more and "didn't you get insurance?" we will only take 2000 and we want to keep our friend out of this . even though he lost 2000 to us in a match he did not have . so they got to hand the rightfully over to the police and tell them who there friend was that told them to hold the stolen prop.

I was a victim of a crime.my stuff was stolen. roberts friend knew that and told robert to hold them until he could pay. robert told me and the police he knew they were stolen. 1 its a crime to posses stolen merch.2 its a crime to hold out for money somones possessions until they pay.3 its a crime to gamble in a non regulated manor.4 its a crime to drive on a suspended lic. 5 its a crime to be stupid enough to think its not!

1st i want to say i am glad the cues are back with their rightful owner. i made a post on here earlier giving my opinion before mr frost posted giving his version and before you came back on here giving out more information from your point of view.

every poster on here is giving their opinion about what transpired between you and mr frost without knowing all the facts. your version and mr frosts do not exactly match.people say there are 2 sides to every story,well i say there are 3. yours, his and the truth. most people on here have convicted him of being a criminal based on your version alone.

i dont know either party involved and dont know all the facts so i cant call either one a liar.you say you have tapes of conversations with him, well maybe the truth will come out in court.

you say you are a christian as well as mr frost,well so am i. i am not perfect so it is ok for me to cast a stone here. some of your comments disturb me.

you call him a criminal for an unpaid traffic ticket ? well i was faced with the same situation for the 1st time in my life a few years ago at the age of 56. the 1st time that ever happened to me ,does that make me a criminal?i have never been in jail in my life but according to your holier than thou attitude i am classified a criminal.

the gambling comment disturbs me also. you classify gamblers as criminals . if anyone that has bought a cue from you and has gambled on a pool match is a criminal in your eyes. does that make a fine upstanding christian like you a hypocrite for doing bussiness with criminals ?

if he was a criminal why didnt he sell either one of those cues for what he asked you to reimbuse him he was out of ? he wouldnt have had to go across 2 state lines to do it either.

bottom line is after he claims he told you the whole story did you say yea yea i will give you 2,000.00 and set him up for extortion ? i wouldnt normaly think that except some of your holier than thou comments about low life degenerate pool players got me to wondering what the truth really is.

 

[tommyceilings]

I have 2 questions which I haven't seen asked yet.

Where was the conversation taped? What state and what was the means of the taping, you in MI to him in KY, land line to land line, cell to cell?
In person with a cell phone or tape recorder?

Did you have insurance on the sticks?

 

[justadub]

I have 2 questions which I haven't seen asked yet.

Where was the conversation taped? What state and what was the means of the taping, you in MI to him in KY, land line to land line, cell to cell?
In person with a cell phone or tape recorder?

Did you have insurance on the sticks?

By my limited math skills, I count 4 questions there....

 

[KentuckE]

I agree 100% Robert is a stand up guy one of the few in the pool world that I would trust to have my back and now stab me in it! I ain't buying into to this at all. The way some people will bash a man in a second just makes me sick!