2007-your Man In Manila

TannerPruess said:
Perhaps, but I know who I would bet on! :P

SVB is a great player but he is not invincible and to think that Dennis Orcullo or Lee Van Corteza have no chance to win in a money match is ridiculous. At their level of play, any one of the 3 can win anytime. He should not get over confident. The US open is a far cry from the WPC.

I am watching his progress right now in his very first match and he is currently behind by 3 games against a TPE player.
 
jay helfert said:
... Watching Earl,...he is never far away from coming totally unglued. One wrong word or perceived misdeed, and he could be off and running. He teeters on the brink of annihilation each day. Literally and figuratively.

I feel bad watching this man right now. I don't feel this is the place for him, in the glare of the tournament arena. He is obviously a very unhappy man, but he knows nothing else but to hit balls. So he does. It is almost like watching a wild animal act. They perform because they have to, not because they want to. This is my perception of what I see when I watch Earl perform now. I long admired Earl as the best tournament 9-Ball player of all time. But that is not the same man I watched last night.

Damn, Jay! Why you gettin' all heavy on us?! I agree though, it would be unexpected for Earl to go the whole event without a meltdown-assisted defeat. I don't see how one can keep playing pool as long as he has anyway.

ALso, you said re: Efren,
jay helfert said:
"...Yes, he is still considered Top Echelon here, which is reserved for only the very best players. Efren, Django, Alex, Dennis, Lee Vann, Ronnie, Marlon and maybe Jeff De Luna. Not many on this level."

Would you think Andam is back there?
 
f210 said:
SVB is a great player but he is not invincible and to think that Dennis Orcullo or Lee Van Corteza have no chance to win in a money match is ridiculous. At their level of play, any one of the 3 can win anytime. He should not get over confident. The US open is a far cry from the WPC.

I am watching his progress right now in his very first match and he is currently behind by 3 games against a TPE player.
I never said they had no chance to win against Shane! I said I just knew who I would bet on. :rolleyes: ...
 
TannerPruess said:
I never said they had no chance to win against Shane! I said I just knew who I would bet on. :rolleyes: ...
Gawdamit! He's got 26,500 v-cash. Don't bet against him (and expect a ride in the v-car;) )!!
 
Cuaba said:
Jay,
When Earl walked into both matches he was very negative. He said he would lose both times before the matches started. Nobody in his corner wanted to talk to him because he was so negative. One guy said he could win and Earl just criticized him for saying such a thing.

But when he got to 5 against Li, his attitude turned around, and it was as if the antics before were just a show. He had taken it too far though.

When he accidently hit Nigel on the head with his cue, did that make TV?


It's all "live" television here. Nothing is edited out! Not even profanity.
 
Black-Balled said:
Damn, Jay! Why you gettin' all heavy on us?! I agree though, it would be unexpected for Earl to go the whole event without a meltdown-assisted defeat. I don't see how one can keep playing pool as long as he has anyway.

ALso, you said re: Efren,

Would you think Andam is back there?

I don't think Andam is top echelon now. Maybe second tier at best.
 
f210 said:
SVB is a great player but he is not invincible and to think that Dennis Orcullo or Lee Van Corteza have no chance to win in a money match is ridiculous. At their level of play, any one of the 3 can win anytime. He should not get over confident. The US open is a far cry from the WPC.

I am watching his progress right now in his very first match and he is currently behind by 3 games against a TPE player.

Shane didn't play bad that match. He played horrible! And so did Chang. Funny how when one player plays bad the other guy gets out of stroke too. That's what happened. It was a miracle for Shane to win this match after being down 7-2. Chang had an easy eight ball and all he had to do was roll forward for the nine. I was doing the TV commentary, and it looked like it was over. Somehow, some way, Chang totally butchered the shot on the eight. He will remember that miss for a long long time. This is the same guy who played brilliantly to win a Qualifier.

After that miss Shane woke up and played good the rest of the way to win on the hill 9-8. He won several games with better safety play. This is the only weakness I see in the Taiwan players, their safety play. They are not creative and often overlook the best option. They need some better coaching there.

After the match, Shane told me he often has trouble in the first match of a tournament. His second match was with Pat Holtz from Scotland, a very good player. Shane looked like Shane and beat him easily 9-4, to move into the Round of 64. Today he has Gabica the same player who ducked him earlier in the week. It means nothing now, this is a very dangerous opponent. Of course, there are no soft draws now, only good players left. If Ocullo had beaten Kawabata, Shane would have had to play Yang from Taiwan instead.

Shane knew all this and was unconcerned. His reaction to the news that he may play the feared Yang was "I don't care". He is mentally and physically ready for anyone. Shane has a cool confidence that I admire. It's hard to make anyone the favorite in this field, there are so many good players.

It is hard to pick anyone other than a filipino or a Taiwanese player to win, just because there are so many of them in the final 64. I like the filipinos and most other prognosticators favor the Taiwan players. No one gives much chance to any outsider to break the domination of these two countries. I agree except for the few exceptional foreigners like Ralf, Mika, Shane and a couple of others. I like the filipino crew myself. You can sense the motivation to keep the championship on their shores. They all pull hard for each other. It helps that it is played on their home soil as well. In my mind, few players handle the pressure as well as the filipinos. No matter how good you play, ultimately it takes HEART to win a title like this. Who can come with the big shot under pressure? Some can and some can't!

De Luna is my dark horse pick. He breaks better than anyone else, and shoots as straight as Tom Mix! Clear favorites include Bustamante who is peaking right now, Yang who makes it all look so easy, Mika who plays like a filipino, Marlon who also looks so poised and ready, and Shane who is simply fearless.
 
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Jay

Thanks for your insights. That Japanese player Oi breaks pretty darn good too. Shaping up to be a battle at the OK Corral even though there have been a few upsets, like Archer, Hohmann, JJ, Morris, etc.

I hope Shane stays on his game, and just takes it 1 at a time. The good thing is several of the players will be eliminated before Shane has to play them. It is almost like he is a lone American gunslinger surrounded by the Taiwanese and Filapino gunslingers .... LOL I think my lil saying of 'Be good or be dead' would apply here ....

Has any other player won 3 Championships in 1 year, like it would be for Shane if he happened to win the WPC too?

I do think Shane needs to get his break down better, or it will hurt him in the latter stages.

And you mention of players being able to come with a shot under pressure, none was finer than that 5 ball that Ralf shot last year in the finals, that was excellence at its best.
 
For those who prefer to match up SVB with Lee Van Corteza instead of Efren. FYI Efren beat LVC in 10-ball the other day, race to 31. Don't know the score, but the day before LVC beat Alex Pagulayan race to 35 in 10-ball, so LVC is playing pretty ok ;) And Alex Pagulayan beat Dennis Orcullo in race to 30 something I think too...

The venue:
It could be soooooooo good, but it is SO bad for spectators. For example; If you want to watch a match on table 6, 7 or 8 the only scoreboard you can see is the scoreboard for table 3, 4 and 5 on the other side of the venue. Really stupid.

There are NO timeschedule, results or anything available for spectators. I can't see who is in which group, who they will play next, on what table or what time. This is really bad, and I am very disappointed.

It could be so perfect, but when such importants things are missing, I am shocked since this is the most important tournament in the year....

Today they will play all the matches in the last 64. Will be a great match of Lee Van Corteza vs Jeffrey De Luna! I pick Jeffrey De Luna for that match!
 
i agree with you roy, it's a shame they forgot or never thought about these little things, i too wonder which game is coming and who's playing and who's leading!
 
Snapshot9 said:
Thanks for your insights. That Japanese player Oi breaks pretty darn good too. Shaping up to be a battle at the OK Corral even though there have been a few upsets, like Archer, Hohmann, JJ, Morris, etc.
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Just to add to the casualty list. That Earl :(, Efren, Oi and Yang knocked out! :eek:

The reigning world champ Ron Alcano is on the verge of getting beat by our own Daryl Peach!!! :) Go UK Go :D
 
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Yes ...

You would think someone would have been in charge of taking care of those things, especially with a lot of spectators, and visiting players.

Jeff De Luna is not as technically sound as Van Van is. He has the 'Hully Gully' stroke and then smooths it out on the hit stroke. Moves his grip arm a lot, but breaks - Wow! Van Van is much more technically sound in his stroke, but I have noticed his 'pushes' his cue on certain shots instead of stroking it, like he is trying to force it.
 
That the reigning world champ out!.

Daryl came through 10 - 6 in the end. Well done!! :)
 
Kyo said:
That the reigning world champ out!.

Daryl came through 10 - 6 in the end. Well done!! :)
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Daryl's pale skin suggests that he spends LOTS of time in the pool hall. :D

Congrats to the man who knocked the champ OUT.

JoeyA
 
I'm just wondering if there's any "kristos" or barkers at the venue. Filipinos love to gamble on
anything. Barkers are the ones that call out bets for the gamblers, and they get to recieve some
piece of the cheese too, like the juice here in the US. They call out how much they were betting
(that's your bet, silly! :D ). What are the spots they're/you're asking or giving, and they are usually
on the spot when it comes to giving weights, give or a take a game or two. I would love to hear
from Jay on this. Here are the current individual odds for all the 16 games on tap tonight. Roberto
Gomez has been getting a lot of respect from some of the sportsbook too. He's playing Fong
Pang Chao in the last 32, who just slaughtered his opponent last night (10-zip) and the odds
are dead even. Gomez must've made a good impression of himself last when he bamboozled
Alex Lely with ease (10-1). For me, this will be the one to watch out for tonight. Here's the
rest of the odds for tonight:



Chao, Fong Pang - 5/6 vs. Gomez, Roberto - 5/6
Peach, Daryl - 6/4 vs. Lee, Kun-Fang - 1/2
Stolka, Harry -15/8 vs. Wu, Yu-Lin 4/11
Bustamante, Francisco - 4/11 vs. Van Den Berg, Nick 15/8
Pagulayan, Alex - 1/4 vs. Condo, Louis 5/2
Mladenovic, Goran - 11/10 vs. Martel, Alain 4/6
Immonen, Mika - 1/2 vs. Drago, Tony 6/4
Van Boening, Shane - 2/5 vs. Foldes, Vilmos 7/4
Lu, Hui Chan - 1/3 vs. Babica, Radoslaw 2/1
Luong, Chi-Dung - 6/5 vs. Kawabata, Satoshi 8/13
Wu, Chia Ching - 2/5 vs. Bustamante, Joven 7/4
Stepanov, Konstantin - 6/5 vs. De Luna, Jeff 8/13
Rye, Seung-Woo - 5/6 vs. Boyes, Karl 5/6
Kuo, Po Cheng - 8/13 vs. Ortmann, Oliver 6/5
Chang, Jung-Ling - 4/5 vs. Deuel, Corey 10/11
Souquet, Ralf - 4/6 vs. Feijen, Niels 11/10
 
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Behind The Scenes...



Behind the scenes will bring you the lighter side of the World Pool
Championship with gossip and funny tales.

Let's get ready to rumble

All the talk on Sunday was of the spat between Finland's Mika Immonen
and Jeremy Jones (USA) who clashed on Table 2 during a Group 12
match-up. It all centered on Immonen's throwaway comment when he
fluked an 8 ball in the latter stages of the match. 'I guess that evens it up
then' he said, presumably in reference to a previous piece of good fortune
for Jones.

The feuding then started as both players muttered insults to each other as
play continued. The Finn eventually won 9-6 to advance to the knock-out
stages whilst Jones went down to Lee Van Corteza to depart the
competition.

There was more though as the insults carried on after the match. As of
Tuesday evening peace had not yet been restored.

Taxi Crash

Anyone who has braved the traffic in Manila will know that it is not for the
faint hearted. With journey times sometimes extraordinarily long, patience
is a virtue, as well as the ability to sometimes shut your eyes and hope for
the best.

For Farhad Shahverdi, the first player to compete in this event from Iran,
his journey on Monday afternoon to the Araneta ended with a crash and a
two-hour delay.

A friend alerted tournament organizers and he eventually arrived at the
venue with seconds to spare for his opening game with Li He-wen. Clearly
shaken by his ordeal he went on to lose 9-2 to Li and was eliminated by
Dejan Dabovic not long afterwards.

Long Dej for Serbian Dabovic

Talking of Dejan Dabovic, the tall Serbian deserves some kind of award for
endurance after winning through to the last 64 on Monday. He took part in
the opening match of the day at 3.30pm, losing to Marlon Manalo 9-7 on
the TV table.

He won his second game to stay in the competition and then faced
Malaysia's Alan Tan in a do-or-die battle on the outside tables. The final 9
ball was potted at 2.57am meaning that Dabovic was in the venue for 11
and a half hours from first ball till last.

Caseless in Manila

Every year at the World Pool Championship there is always one hapless
player whose luggage goes awol on the long trip to Manila and this time it
was former two-time WPA World Champion Johnny Archer.

Archer set out from Atlanta, Georgia on Saturday 3rd giving himself plenty
of time to reach the Philippines for his first round matches on Tuesday.

An airport mix-up though saw himself and his luggage set sail on two
separate flights and Archer arrived in Manila bagless. Johnny's wife Melanie
was on the case though and a series of frantic emails and phone calls saw
Johnny reunited with his clothes in emotional scenes at his hotel.

It's getting hot in here

There was high drama on Tuesday afternoon at the Big Dome when fire
broke out in the lighting rig over Table 5 on the upper tier. Each of the
outside tables has a light box with fluorescent tubes that light the table
and a short circuit sent sparks flying and before long the box was ablaze.

Matchroom Sport's John McDonald alerted venue staff and only his quick
thinking saved the table as he and cameraman Lawrence 'Lol' Lustig
covered it to stop debris and foam raining down onto the felt. Before long
temporary lights were installed and play was able to commence at the
designated time.
 
gopi-1 said:
Behind The Scenes...



Behind the scenes will bring you the lighter side of the World Pool
Championship with gossip and funny tales.

Let's get ready to rumble

All the talk on Sunday was of the spat between Finland's Mika Immonen
and Jeremy Jones (USA) who clashed on Table 2 during a Group 12
match-up. It all centered on Immonen's throwaway comment when he
fluked an 8 ball in the latter stages of the match. 'I guess that evens it up
then' he said, presumably in reference to a previous piece of good fortune
for Jones.

The feuding then started as both players muttered insults to each other as
play continued. The Finn eventually won 9-6 to advance to the knock-out
stages whilst Jones went down to Lee Van Corteza to depart the
competition.

There was more though as the insults carried on after the match. As of
Tuesday evening peace had not yet been restored.

Taxi Crash

Anyone who has braved the traffic in Manila will know that it is not for the
faint hearted. With journey times sometimes extraordinarily long, patience
is a virtue, as well as the ability to sometimes shut your eyes and hope for
the best.

For Farhad Shahverdi, the first player to compete in this event from Iran,
his journey on Monday afternoon to the Araneta ended with a crash and a
two-hour delay.

A friend alerted tournament organizers and he eventually arrived at the
venue with seconds to spare for his opening game with Li He-wen. Clearly
shaken by his ordeal he went on to lose 9-2 to Li and was eliminated by
Dejan Dabovic not long afterwards.

Long Dej for Serbian Dabovic

Talking of Dejan Dabovic, the tall Serbian deserves some kind of award for
endurance after winning through to the last 64 on Monday. He took part in
the opening match of the day at 3.30pm, losing to Marlon Manalo 9-7 on
the TV table.

He won his second game to stay in the competition and then faced
Malaysia's Alan Tan in a do-or-die battle on the outside tables. The final 9
ball was potted at 2.57am meaning that Dabovic was in the venue for 11
and a half hours from first ball till last.

Caseless in Manila

Every year at the World Pool Championship there is always one hapless
player whose luggage goes awol on the long trip to Manila and this time it
was former two-time WPA World Champion Johnny Archer.

Archer set out from Atlanta, Georgia on Saturday 3rd giving himself plenty
of time to reach the Philippines for his first round matches on Tuesday.

An airport mix-up though saw himself and his luggage set sail on two
separate flights and Archer arrived in Manila bagless. Johnny's wife Melanie
was on the case though and a series of frantic emails and phone calls saw
Johnny reunited with his clothes in emotional scenes at his hotel.

It's getting hot in here

There was high drama on Tuesday afternoon at the Big Dome when fire
broke out in the lighting rig over Table 5 on the upper tier. Each of the
outside tables has a light box with fluorescent tubes that light the table
and a short circuit sent sparks flying and before long the box was ablaze.

Matchroom Sport's John McDonald alerted venue staff and only his quick
thinking saved the table as he and cameraman Lawrence 'Lol' Lustig
covered it to stop debris and foam raining down onto the felt. Before long
temporary lights were installed and play was able to commence at the
designated time.

VERY nice work. Thanks for the insider report. :)
JoeyA
 
Great seating, but very poor information available to spectators. And it is difficult at best to see the scores of the matches you are watching. They have only one or two monitors in the entire arena showing score updates for all the matches in progress. And one or two sheets posted with the schedule of matches and the tables they will play on. I agree this was done better last year with TV monitors all over the PICC showing matches in progress, and the upcoming matches. I feel like a pest when I tell the event organizers about these flaws, but I will today.

I have found over here silence is golden. As a TV commentator, I would greatly prefer to be in the arena, with a direct view of the match I'm talking about. Instead I am in a studio under the grandstands, working from televison monitors. It can be difficult to differentiate the 3,4 and 5 balls. All of the commentators work under these same conditions, and we do the best job we can with what we've got. I'm sure most people watching these shows think we are right there near the table. I for one, would like to be able to see everything that is going on in the television arena. I have to rely only on what I can see on the monitors. So I miss a lot of the extraneous stuff, like player and fan interaction.
 
Are the spectators silent while the match is being played? Too bad you can't be in a sound-resistant booth close to the match... above the table(s). This current arrangement sounds like it would make the whole experience somewhat less fun for you than maybe I would have anticpated it would/could be. But I still am green w/envy that you and Cuaba and others are there.
 
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yesterday the crowd from the other table (Table2) at the exact same time jeff deluna shoots an 7 or 8.. (the player from the other table missed an easy shot) lol
 
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