2011 APA National Masters in Vegas

decent dennis said:
You players in the master division are just so mistreated. Unless someone s making a living at it, treat it for what it is supposed to be .FUN.
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I'm with you 100%... I am there to have fun...

But, I think there is a minimum standard to be expected with regards to player comfort...

The Masters event did not meet that standard and, hence, the fun was kind of taken out of it...

Next year they should reverse the comfort standards for Masters and Teams...

Let the 8-ball and 9-ball teams scramble around for seats in the playing area, let the scorekeepers actually stand outside the area because there are no seats for them and let the Masters teams sit at tables with more than enough room...

I'm sure that since all of the 8-ball and 9-ball teams are there just to "have fun" they wouldn't dream of complaining...
 
decent dennis said:
You players in the master division are just so mistreated. Unless someone s making a living at it, treat it for what it is supposed to be .FUN.
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I understand your point but, have fun on league nights. When you're in Tri-Cups, Cities and finally make it to Vegas for the big payout($25,000) it's time to bare down and play. Can't do it with poor conditions(not just the tables). My team said our bar tables are in better condition than what they played on. The Masters teams pay more than the 8/9 ball players here so they expect better equipment because they are the better players. Add up all the money you pay a year to have fun and make it to Vegas(The big dream of every new APA player) and you get there only to be disappointed, not fun.
 
leehayes said:
Two years ago I went to Vegas for Scotch Doubles and the tables and balls were bad back then as well. You'd think whoever rents them these tables would take a little pride in what they are renting as well. [ Shame on the APA for allowing players, much less Masters level players, to play on the crap that they bring in.]
Just one reason why players go to leagues such as TAP and BCA.
But I'm sure no one from the APA is listening.
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not tryin to knock the fact it is a tournament and equipment should be better,but its the "much less master level players" attitude that gets me.
 
This just amazes me, every year APA members say the same thing.

When are you all going to realize that the National APA is a money making machine that doesnt really care about the players other than receiving their weekly dues.

There are a few things you can do. Continue to play in the APA and keep getting screwed, start your own league system, voice you comments to all the local APA members and get them all to join a different league system, or stop playing the APA league.

I personally would have taken pics with detailed information attached. I would send them to all the players and league operator in the APA league in my local area. I would also put in the email that I would like to have a meeting that includes all team captains, any member that went to the Nationals event within the past 4 years, and league operators. Up for discussion is the the experience at nationals and what it has to offer, and if there is a better league system out there that all the players would compete in?

Now you do that, then you will stir some feathers for sure....
 
D WEATHERSBY II said:
All of the tables that I played on in the Mini Mania room were decent. Nice speed and rails with action. The area was crowded, but has to be expected with so many pool players in one place. A few of the tables did have a roll to them, but both teams had to play on the same conditions.

I was a little disappointed with the tables in the penthouse for semis and finals. They played totally different than the tables in the Mini Mania room. Slow and no action from the rails.

All in all, I thought the Masters Division was a blast and I had a ton of fun. My hat goes off to the Champions, Still Don't Know from Richmond, VA. You guys played great.

Congrats!
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I have to assume this is Donny. I am from the team Northeast Mass Masters. You guys were the ones that knocked us out for the "penthouse" match ha ha! You are a great player, as is the rest of your team. I can't say I like the outcome with you guys, but at least we didn't get beat by a bunch of bums!

I would have to agree with your assessment overall. However, you must remember in my match with Josh he had some uncharacteristic scratches, including the final one on the 9 ball. That ball definitely rolled about 6" off course. Now to be fair I questioned some of the position routes he chose, but I can confidently say that the table cost him at least 1 game, if not more. I thought the rails were a bit inconsistent, the cloth was not put on all that great, and I'm no fan of that cueball. That being said, I totally agree with you that the conditions were the same for everyone, and overall not to bad. Certainly a lot better than some of the horrible bars I play in at home.

I also totally agree with you about the penthouse. I watched most of the semi's and finals, and those tables seemed dead. Dead rails, slow cloth. That was quite uncool. You may remember that some of the tables downstairs near the end, like say table 220 and up, had fresher cloth and seemed to play faster and better than some of the others in the mini room. It is a real shame they couldn't at least have had ones up to that level in the finals.

In any case, congrats to your team on a strong finish! We will definitely see you next year!

I know most of us would love to see diamonds there. However, I would be satisfied with the Valleys if they just put a little more care into the setup and the consistency of the tables allocated to a particular event. I also would be happy to pay the money required to allow them to open up the tables and let us use a decent cueball.

My $0.02,

KMRUNOUT (Kerry McAuliffe)
 
With all due disrespect, if you have played in previous tournaments of the APA on shoddy equipment, and you showed up at this one expecting something different, the APA isn't the problem.......for those where this was a first time surprise, learn from your mistake.

VOTE with your dollars people......we all work hard for our money, whether or not you waste it is your choice. Search APA, there are tens if not hundreds of threads here that are indefensible.

Trick me one, shame on you....trick me twice, shame on me....

Over the years, I have met so many great people in the APA. It's a fun social league, and 80% of the time, it's worth every penny. Problem is the LO's and leadership refuse to step up and make tough decisions when it really makes a difference.

BTW, I am an idiot for wasting my time on another one of these threads that will not do anything to make anything better nor make an impact on anyone, so would somebody please wear the old "I'm with stupid" t-shirt and stand next to me :D
 
The tables are what they are. Better than what's in most bars. I've played the Master's six times with three firsts, one second and two thirds. You just have to adjust to the conditions of the tables. It's always been this way with the APA so when you go to Vegas to play APA why would you expect something different?
My concerns are that there is no seating and that the conditions change so drastically when the games are moved to penthouse for the finals. That room is freezing cold.
 
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Frank - you have got to be the 'luckiest' guy I know.

'played the Master's six times with three firsts, one second and two thirds'

How ELSE could those results be explained????

Mark Griffin
 
Look Folks, these are the same tables the ACS and VNEA play on. Rarely ever see a thread mentioning the play quality of the tables from those players. Us APA players go to Vegas knowing in advance we will be playing on second (or third) rate equipment. Thanks to Mr. Griffin, I get a chance each year at BCAPL Nationals to play on the best equipment. Still don't win. At least I have no excuses! Get beat by better players. Period!

Lyn
 
To: KMRUNOUT

Yes, this is Donny. Thanks for the congrats. I appreciate it.

I had alot of fun and hope to get back to play next year.

Good luck to you guys. Hope I see you again Summer 2012!

Donny
 
You would think the APA would have top of the line equipment at the Nationals. You would also think the APA would have some respect for their members. But you would be wrong on both counts.

It's pretty sad that after spending an enormous amount of time, effort, and money to make it to the Nationals, you end up playing with below average equipment. But I'm not surprised. :frown:
 
With a cash flow in the range of $30,000,000.00 from players alone plus lucrative sponsorships etc. one would think that this organization would be receptive to players legitimate concerns. Please keep us all posted as to the response from the APA. I hope they have not gotten too big to care!
 
Local CPA league operator doesn't get it!

The local CPA league operator up here in Toronto, Canada doesn't seem to get the point of the complaints about the poor playing conditions. He seems to feel the following on a post he made "Talking about tables and such and not the experience or the fun time we had down there. Or that the 3 person master team 1st prize is $10,000. I feel sorry that the experience of some was of a disappointment of the playing equipment but I hope and think of seeing and experiencing 17,000 poolplayers in a area and enjoying playing with friends 3,000 miles away from home would out way that disappointment"

I'm afraid he missed the whole point of my original post about the disrespect shown to the Master players in this year's APA Nationals. I went to the Nationals in Vegas to compete and not to experience playing with friends 3,000 miles away from home. When I consider all of the wasted time sitting in the Airport and the four and a half hour flight to get to Vegas and then the same on the return home, I was extremely disappointed to arrive at the APA Nationals to find the sub standard playing environment and not just the poor condition of the playing equipment.
 
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I was there for 10 days and didn't see these horrible playing conditions. While it wasn't ideal it was far from horrible or horrendous. The arrangments for spectators in the mini room definitly needs improvement.
 
The overwhelming concensus seems to be that it is a fair comment to say that the playing conditions can be improved to the benefit of all participants and the crowded conditions can be improved to the benefit of spectator and player alike. The question then is simple; is the APA willing to put in the effort to achieve this? Seems like a reasonable request.
 
No need for anyone from the CPA or APA to be defensive about this. Can conditions be improved for spectator and player and if so it is in the best interest of everyone to it.
 
VOR1 said:
With a cash flow in the range of $30,000,000.00 from players alone plus lucrative sponsorships etc. one would think that this organization would be receptive to players legitimate concerns. Please keep us all posted as to the response from the APA. I hope they have not gotten too big to care!
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You realy think the APA takes in $30,000,000 a year. Can you show the math as to where you think this money comes from.

You have a legitimate complaint about tables (I was there and played in the mini room so yes I agree that the tables were not great) but don't cloud the issue with misinformation. I agree with you the APA should address this issue, but it has nothing to do with how much money they bring in, it has more to do with who the table supplier is.


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