2014 US Open 9-Ball Championship: 128-player field, $1,000 entry fee

realkingcobra said:
The fact that if he's a known player...meaning he has a test score on file, he can't step down to play lesser players any more than lesser players can step up to play him in an event with shorter races to win.
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That only works if he's a known player. In that case, what's the point of even having guys like Shane, Dennis, Daz, etc take the skill test?

I was referring more along the lines of guys that are unknown, but capable of scoring as a pro. What point would there be for them to do anything other than score as an A ranking?Surely, you can't move them up if they keep snapping off those A level tournaments, because clearly the skill test reflects they aren't any better than that.
 
BeiberLvr said:
So what's to stop a player of pro speed getting an A or B score to play in tournaments against other A or B players?
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If a player wants to sand bag their score, what's the point of doing so? A lesser score won't get them into the "Pro's" only events. So, on that basis, why even take a skill level test in the first place? The reason we need to identify the "Pro's" is to create a real Pro level in this sport were only the best of the best represent this sport at the TOP level, like all other Professional sports do. You don't see weekend football players playing in the NFL do you?
 
realkingcobra said:
If a player wants to sand bag their score, what's the point of doing so? A lesser score won't get them into the "Pro's" only events. So, on that basis, why even take a skill level test in the first place? The reason we need to identify the "Pro's" is to create a real Pro level in this sport were only the best of the best represent this sport at the TOP level, like all other Professional sports do. You don't see weekend football players playing in the NFL do you?
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Ok, then what's the benefit of playing in a Pro only event?
 
BeiberLvr said:
That only works if he's a known player. In that case, what's the point of even having guys like Shane, Dennis, Daz, etc take the skill test?

I was referring more along the lines of guys that are unknown, but capable of scoring as a pro. What point would there be for them to do anything other than score as an A ranking?Surely, you can't move them up if they keep snapping off those A level tournaments, because clearly the skill test reflects they aren't any better than that.
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Money...that's how you get the money in the Pro's, by bringing out the best players there is for the show. That's what brings attention to this sport, when there's something worth seeing, advertizing during, and being a part of.
 
BeiberLvr said:
Ok, then what's the benefit of playing in a Pro only event?
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When we can start having 64 pro's playing in a race to 21, 10ball, single elimination and the pay scale is as follows:

64-33 = $500 totaling $16,000
32-17 = $1,000 totaling $16,000
16-9 = $2,000 totaling $16,000
8-5= $4,000 totaling $16,000
4-3 = $8,000 totaling $16,000
2= $16,000
1= $32,000

$128,000 total prize money...8 to 12 times a year guaranteed....you have a start!!!
 
realkingcobra said:
In "PRO" only events, there are no "A" players, so no...only the Pro's are the ones playing, and yes everyone is required to test at least once every year. But, players can be grouped together by their test scores to compete against each other on their own level of skill, meaning "A's' and "B's" if you'd like to call them that...but no Pro's so to speak. I just don't feel it's right that "Pro's" should have to play lesser players just because their entry fee money is needed to make an event have enough prize money to pay a field of players. You don't see the amature's playing 72 holes with Tiger Woods do you?
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Ok i see now, so basically the US Open, or Derby needs to be based on qualifier matches, or tests rather than just newbies enter and have pros walk all over them to reach to the top and pros end up playing each other anyway;

I feel that if anyone is welling to pay the fee to be part of these two events, are doing it knowingly they are under dogs and just for the thrill of it; and in a fact they are testing their ability; especially with the luck factor involved; why not, with the information age; almost every low level player enters knows their chances of winning is slim to none, especially with pros being seeded.

On the other hand; i see the benefit from the tests, but might be too costly to implement; with money so scares in pool i would not see it happening; some events like Word Pool are qualifier matches, or the special by invitation only events, such as MC, and few others.
 
naji said:
Ok i see now, so basically the US Open, or Derby needs to be based on qualifier matches, or tests rather than just newbies enter and have pros walk all over them to reach to the top and pros end up playing each other anyway;

I feel that if anyone is welling to pay the fee to be part of these two events, are doing it knowingly they are under dogs and just for the thrill of it; and in a fact they are testing their ability; especially with the luck factor involved; why not, with the information age; almost every low level player enters knows their chances of winning is slim to none, especially with pros being seeded.

On the other hand; i see the benefit from the tests, but might be too costly to implement; with money so scares in pool i would not see it happening; some events like Word Pool are qualifier matches, or the special by invitation only events, such as MC, and few others.
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And THAT system is broken, which is why this sport is where it's at today...on welfare for the most part!
 
Want to know another sport that when the way of pool? Boxing, just take a look at how many different boxing orginazations there are today that have their OWN so called HEAVY WIEGHT CHAMPION OF THE WORLD:thumbup:...that won't fight each other for fear of loosing their title. There should only be ONE world 10 ball champinship held ONCE a year, and the players in that event should only be 4, the highest points earners of at least 8 major 10 ball tournaments held during the year beforehand, with points awarded for each win during the 8 pryor events. The highest 4 points earning players should play for the world championship to determine the WORLD CHAMPION in 10 ball....ONCE a year. Not have 3, 4 or 5 so called world championship tournaments a year, when the best of the best didn't even play in them.
 
realkingcobra said:
Want to know another sport that when the way of pool? Boxing, just take a look at how many different boxing orginazations there are today that have their OWN so called HEAVY WIEGHT CHAMPION OF THE WORLD:thumbup:...that won't fight each other for fear of loosing their title. There should only be ONE world 10 ball champinship held ONCE a year, and the players in that event should only be 4, the highest points earners of at least 8 major 10 ball tournaments held during the year beforehand, with points awarded for each win during the 8 pryor events. The highest 4 points earning players should play for the world championship to determine the WORLD CHAMPION in 10 ball....ONCE a year. Not have 3, 4 or 5 so called world championship tournaments a year, when the best of the best didn't even play in them.
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As for me i like to watch a tournament every week if possible, with any of the pros playing, just like golf has many tournaments!
 
realkingcobra said:
When we can start having 64 pro's playing in a race to 21, 10ball, single elimination and the pay scale is as follows:

64-33 = $500 totaling $16,000
32-17 = $1,000 totaling $16,000
16-9 = $2,000 totaling $16,000
8-5= $4,000 totaling $16,000
4-3 = $8,000 totaling $16,000
2= $16,000
1= $32,000

$128,000 total prize money...8 to 12 times a year guaranteed....you have a start!!!
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I don't think you'd have any problems getting the 64 players, but that's the other issue. I'm not saying you're skill test is easy, but there are basement players out there capable of getting a Pro score that don't play pro speed. That's the biggest issue, and it's not just your test, but every other skill test that focuses only on offense.

In other words, it's easy to play like a pro when you don't have someone sitting in the other chair.

I applaud your efforts in coming up with a way to start a pro tour, but the inclusion of an offensive skill test has it's flaws. If you really want a good pro tour with 8 events each year. Simply hold x number qualifiers across the country before each event with the top x number of spots from each qualifier getting in to each event. If a player finishes top 4 in any pro event, they can automatically be qualified for the next one.

Add in a mandatory tour card for anyone even interested on being in the pro tour. The tour card would start off at $X, and go up after each event. In other words, the earlier you get your card, the more money you save. Each qualifier would have a flat entry fee, maybe between the $50 and $100 range. That money along with money from all tour cards could be distributed among the 8 events throughout the year.

So let's say a tour card starts off at $1,000, and the qualifiers are $100. Hypothetically, a player could finish top 4 in every event. So for $1,100, they could play in 8 events, and not have to spend another dime. Except, of course, on travel and food.
 
BeiberLvr said:
I don't think you'd have any problems getting the 64 players, but that's the other issue. I'm not saying you're skill test is easy, but there are basement players out there capable of getting a Pro score that don't play pro speed. That's the biggest issue, and it's not just your test, but every other skill test that focuses only on offense.

In other words, it's easy to play like a pro when you don't have someone sitting in the other chair.
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I hear what you're saying, but no matter how much a boxer trains before a match, his chin is still untested until he gets hit. On that bases, if a player can't win in the Pro events, sooner or later they'll be replaced by players that can not only out score test that player, but out play that player as well. The basic problem we have now with upper level pool tournaments is that anyone can play, hell I could enter my 16 year old daughter in the US Open and she can't make a ball to save her life, but just as long as she's worth $500 that's all that counts....what's wrong with that picture? Believe me when I say a basement dweller "Pro" may not be able to cut the mustard when it comes to making the cut to being a "PRO"....we're not talking about the best player on the block, we're talking about the best players from all around the world cut down to those who can play the best, and those that just play great...as great may not be good enough to get there. We're talking about players that no one has ever heard of before, ever seen before....but they made the final cut to the "Pro's" and NOW everyone gets to see that person play for the first time, which might just blow everyone away anyway, maybe that person even posted the 4th highest skill level test score....and is showing up from somewhere no ones ever heard of too....who knows.

Glen
 
JAM said:
It looks like Barry Behrman is moving in a good direction for the U.S. Open 9-Ball Championship.

$1,000 entry fee with associated expenses for the week-long event will limit the player field, which is a good thing since it is being cut in half. The payouts, however, go to 48th place getting 2 dimes back.

I think this is a good move for the future of the tournament. Yes, it is scaled down, but this is doable. Bravo to Barry Behrman.
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I for one think Barry is doing what is best. Hated reading all the people whom are against what Barry is trying to do. Seems these people need to bash others in order to be happy.

For those Pro players that might have been complaining about weaker players; here's your chance to put up and shut up. $1,000 should be no biggie for Pro Pool Players. If you cannot pay, you cannot play with the big boys.

I'm planning to be there again as a spectator. I really want to see who has the balls to play this year.
 
juegabillar said:
I for one think Barry is doing what is best. Hated reading all the people whom are against what Barry is trying to do. Seems these people need to bash others in order to be happy.

For those Pro players that might have been complaining about weaker players; here's your chance to put up and shut up. $1,000 should be no biggie for Pro Pool Players. If you cannot pay, you cannot play with the big boys.

I'm planning to be there again as a spectator. I really want to see who has the balls to play this year.
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Well, it's clear where you'll be sitting, right along with the rest of the chickens;)
 
I'm certainly willing to see how it plays out. IIRC, threads in the past that popped up to discuss yet another year of delayed payments had numerous members suggesting he scale down the tournament to reduce costs. This is exactly what he's doing. We shall see...
 
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